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Because the census determines, among other things, how much federal funding different areas receive.

Democrats are worried that if illegal immigrants are scared off from participating in the census, some of their states may be undercounted and receive less federal funding.

And I think it's only fair, if they want to have sanctuary cities and have a soft stance on illegal immigrants fine, but they shouldn't receive federal funding for doing so.

As I said, it's a smart move from Trump.
So we're in agreement. This is an attempt to reduce immigrant participation in the census, and thus the accuracy of it. That's the bottom line, it's the politicization of another government function.
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So we're in agreement. This is an attempt to reduce immigrant participation in the census, and thus the accuracy of it. That's the bottom line, it's the politicization of another government function.
Rubbish.

Just check NO.

Where's the problem?

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So we're in agreement. This is an attempt to reduce immigrant participation in the census, and thus the accuracy of it. That's the bottom line, it's the politicization of another government function.
The census has always been a political instrument. Why do you think William I commissioned the Domesday Book?
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and now further questioning based on social media presence for visa waiver foreigners seeking to be granted entry into the US


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43601557
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and now further questioning based on social media presence for visa waiver foreigners seeking to be granted entry into the US


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43601557
Not visa-waiver foreigners:

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Not visa-waiver foreigners:
correct, my early morning-still waking up-fuzzy eyesight-mind in neutral, finger up bum moment.


Though I am sure down the road it may well include "us"
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So we're in agreement. This is an attempt to reduce immigrant participation in the census, and thus the accuracy of it. That's the bottom line, it's the politicization of another government function.
Are they attempting to reduce illegal immigrants from participating? Perhaps, but I don't know for sure.

Do you think that states should get more federal funding based on having larger numbers of illegal immigrants?
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Are they attempting to reduce illegal immigrants from participating? Perhaps, but I don't know for sure.

Do you think that states should get more federal funding based on having larger numbers of illegal immigrants?
Do they pay taxes?
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D. Sunshine Hillygus, a professor at Duke University who serves on the Census Scientific Advisory Committee, opened a presentation at the panel's spring meeting on Thursday by making it clear that she thought including such a question [on citizenship] was a bad idea.

"I want to say in no uncertain terms I think this is an absolutely awful decision," she said. "I am still dumbfounded that this decision is coming in at such a late date. My view is that this is going to have severe negative implications for data quality and costs."
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VA spokeswoman Lindsey Walters said, "Secretary Shulkin resigned from his position as Secretary of the Department of Veterans Affairs."

A source familiar with the situation told Politico that Shulkin had never tendered a resignation letter!
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While we are on the subject, it is reported that the U.S. Post Office will lose $1.50 on average for each package it delivers for Amazon. That amounts to Billions of Dollars.
The Failing N.Y. Times reports that “the size of the company’s lobbying staff has ballooned,” and that ...does not include the Fake Washington Post, which is used as a “lobbyist” and should so REGISTER.
If the P.O. “increased its parcel rates, Amazon’s shipping costs would rise by $2.6 Billion.” This Post Office scam must stop.
Amazon must pay real costs (and taxes) now!
Amazon also uses competitive parcel services like UPS and FedEx so they do not need USPS.
Does USPS need Amazon? That is an interesting question!

In their 2017 financial statement of results USPS wrote "The growth in our Shipping and Packages business provided some help to the financial picture of the Postal Service" so likely they do need Amazon.
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D. Sunshine Hillygus, a professor at Duke University who serves on the Census Scientific Advisory Committee, opened a presentation at the panel's spring meeting on Thursday by making it clear that she thought including such a question [on citizenship] was a bad idea.

"I want to say in no uncertain terms I think this is an absolutely awful decision," she said. "I am still dumbfounded that this decision is coming in at such a late date. My view is that this is going to have severe negative implications for data quality and costs."
Tch, 'experts' n fancy pants book larnin, thats all that is.
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Tch, 'experts' n fancy pants book larnin, thats all that is.
Actually, she is an expert. Knows her shit. More reading, less chest pounding.
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Do they pay taxes?
About half of illegal immigrants pay income taxes. But the majority of their contribution is collected when they pay for goods and services: e.g. sales, gas tax, & property tax (via renting). For example, it's estimated that they paid $10.6 billion in taxes in 2010.

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Like other people living and working in the United States, undocumented immigrants currently contribute a significant share of
their income to state and local taxes. In addition to paying sales and excise taxes when they purchase goods and services like utilities,
clothing and gasoline, undocumented immigrants also pay property taxes directly on their homes or indirectly as renters, and at least
half are paying income taxes despite lacking legal status.3

Collectively, undocumented immigrants paid an estimated total of $10.6 billion in state and local taxes in 2010 (see Table 1 on page
2 for state-by-state estimates of aggregate taxes paid). This includes $1.2 billion in personal income taxes and $1.2 billion in property
taxes. Sales and excise taxes account for 77 percent of their state and local tax contributions, amounting to more than $8 billion.
2013 study from the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy
https://itep.org/wp-content/uploads/...entedtaxes.pdf

Worth noting as well that they're ineligible to receive welfare, Medicaid, Medicaid, and social security - the major federal social expenses.

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Unauthorized immigrants are ineligible for most major federally-funded safety net programs. Key safety net programs, including the cash welfare program Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF), the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP, formerly known as the Food Stamp Program), and the means-tested disability program Supplemental Security Income (SSI) are available only to “qualified” immigrants and citizens (see here for a review). Undocumented immigrants, along with some legal immigrants, are typically in the “unqualified” category unless they are victims of abuse or trafficking. Undocumented immigrants are also excluded from most federal health programs. They are prohibited from non-emergency Medicaid, the Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP), and the Medicare program. Undocumented immigrants are not eligible to receive insurance subsidies under the Affordable Care Act or to participate in the ACA insurance exchanges. They may be able to privately purchase insurance through their employer or on the non-group market. An estimated 40 percent of non-elderly undocumented immigrants have no health insurance. According to a study by the CATO Institute, low-income non-citizens (documented and undocumented combined) have lower participation rates in safety net programs than low-income citizens, in part due to eligibility restrictions for the undocumented.

Undocumented immigrants are not eligible to receive Social Security benefits even though many contribute to the system. Many undocumented immigrants work in the formal sector and contribute to the social security trust fund. Estimates suggest that up to $12 billion per year are contributed by undocumented immigrants and their employers. Most undocumented immigrants will never draw from the system. One hypothetical exception is that if the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program lasts long enough and participants pay into the system, they would eventually be eligible for benefits, but the first payouts in this hypothetical eventuality are nearly three decades away. Other immigrants who transition to legal status can also collect benefits based on their contribution history, even if some of their contributions were made while unauthorized.
http://econofact.org/do-undocumented...nment-benefits

It's not to say they don't have any social cost, but it's mostly carried by state and local governments, from the same source:

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State and local governments disproportionately bear the burden of supporting undocumented immigrants. Undocumented immigrants are legally required to have access to K-12 public school, and almost all K-12 education funding comes from state and local governments. The share of children who are undocumented immigrants and attend Kindergarten through 12th grade at public and private schools is relatively small, making up about 1.3 percent of total enrollment in 2014 (about 725,000 students) according to a study by the Pew Research Center. However, another 5.9 percent of students who are U.S. citizens have at least one undocumented parent. Some states also provide other benefits to undocumented immigrants, including in-state tuition to undocumented students and state-funded safety net programs. Authors of a National Academy of Sciences report note that, because immigrants tend to pay income and payroll taxes to the federal government, but tend to use services provided by states and localities, their overall fiscal impact is unevenly distributed. (See the related question of whether immigrants cost native-born U.S. taxpayers money.)
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So, does anyone think that states should get more federal funding based on having larger numbers of illegal immigrants?
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Now proposing that your social media details be collected when applying for a visa for the States.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43601557

Not precisely new, iirc this was an optional question when we applied for our ESTAs back in 2016. But additional questions on top as well such as where you've travelled, your telephone numbers for the 5 years etc.
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So, does anyone think that states should get more federal funding based on having larger numbers of illegal immigrants?
Presumably the sharing of the federal funding is based on the principle that the more people who live in a State then the higher the costs regardless whether they are legal or not.

To turn your question around; why should States with more residents get less Federal funding simply because the Federation failed to control the US external borders adequately?
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To turn your question around; why should States with more residents get less Federal funding simply because the Federation failed to control the US external borders adequately?
That's why it's such a brilliant move from Trump, it puts the onus on such States to take a harder line on illegal immigration or pay the cost themselves.

Stable Genius!
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That's why it's such a brilliant move from Trump, it puts the onus on such States to take a harder line on illegal immigration or pay the cost themselves.

Stable Genius!
But Trump is just hoping illegal immigrants will not answer the census which is clutching at straws.
Anyway the census is two years away which, for Trump, is beyond the foreseeable future.
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Presumably the sharing of the federal funding is based on the principle that the more people who live in a State then the higher the costs regardless whether they are legal or not.

To turn your question around; why should States with more residents get less Federal funding simply because the Federation failed to control the US external borders adequately?
Another question is does anyone think that if you are taxed you shouldn't benefit from payment of that tax?
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Another question is does anyone think that if you are taxed you shouldn't benefit from payment of that tax?
If you are in the country illegally without any right to be, then you have no right to benefit from taxes whether you have contributed or not.
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Another question is does anyone think that if you are taxed you shouldn't benefit from payment of that tax?
Americans abroad pay taxes to the US they hardly benefit from. Seems to be the American way.
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