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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

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Rubbish.
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Are they attempting to reduce illegal immigrants from participating? Perhaps, but I don't know for sure.
If ya'll believe Trump and Jeff Sessions DOJ's stated reason for adding the citizenship Q - to better enforce the Voting Rights Act - I have a bridge to sell you...

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Do you think that states should get more federal funding based on having larger numbers of illegal immigrants?
Do you have a source to support the premise of this question? i.e., that illegal immigrants counted in the census result in increased federal payouts to states. It sounds plausible, but I'm not sure what programs it applies to and the relative magnitude of it. For example, it wouldn't be relevant for the most expensive programs - social security, Medicare, and Medicaid.

You seem to be asserting that states with a lot of illegal immigrants are moochers. There certainly are "giver and taker" states if you want to think of it that way, but it's not the states with high unauthorized immigrants doing the taking. For example, California which has the most unauthorized immigrants and it pays more into fed than it gets back. Similarly, New York, Illinois, and New Jersey have reasonably high numbers of unauthorized immigrants and are "givers" to the federal government. The taker states are most commonly located in the south and middle-America.
https://www.theatlantic.com/business...takers/361668/

The graph depicts the ratio of the money received from the fed to the amount contributed. i.e. a high value = taker, low value = giver
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correct, my early morning-still waking up-fuzzy eyesight-mind in neutral, finger up bum moment.


Though I am sure down the road it may well include "us"
Would you be still surprised by this paranoia? Ahem, security measures...

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She's a very classy lady.
She's pretty and elegant, but so were Michelle and many other first ladies. Her job is much more difficult than of the others because the atmosphere around Trump is awful. (well, he is a big part of the problem isn't it) Other than that, I don't pity her, neither admire her. Younger women married to much older but insanely rich and powerful guys.....what can go wrong? lol

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I'm not aware of any allegations of infidelity on the part of Jerry Hall's husband (if he's even capable), but anway you reminded me of the following meme that Trumpanzees trotted out a while ago in support of their Dear Leader:
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Well...let's be honest, there are other controversies around Murdoch...that episode you mentioned it's just ridiculous. Can someone believe it was true? Now that means unconditional love. Trump managed to gather that kind of love, funny. For me it's just amusing. I'm neither pro, nor against him because it doesn't affect me in the slightest. I didn't vote (I couldn't, of course), so I can't be disappointed. It's like a show where each side is so biased and passionate that nobody realises their guys are similar in so many ways, or that whatever happens in Trump's life is not that special if you look a bit further. Cheating? Clinton cheated. Well, let's go to "antiquity" - J.F.K. cheated. It comes with the territory...I guess. I don't know who was more humiliated. Hillary or Melania? My bet is on Hillary for so many reasons.. A woman of her calibre and with their history as a couple, having to go through all that and even support her OH. I don't remember people being so condescending about her plight. I suppose, though, in Trumps' case - they met each other in that sort of environment that anyone knew what to expect from later on, more or less...
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Wonder if Obama could have won his third mandate, if that was legal of course....? Maybe we didn't have this show now...

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If you are in the country illegally without any right to be, then you have no right to benefit from taxes whether you have contributed or not.
so you want to provide a powerful incentive to such people not to pay tax, do you think this will result in less or more criminality?
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so you want to provide a powerful incentive to such people not to pay tax, do you think this will result in less or more criminality?
I think such people have to be deported out of the country - rendering their criminality a moot point.
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If you are in the country illegally without any right to be, then you have no right to benefit from taxes whether you have contributed or not.
Your claim is that States with more illegal immigrants get more money from the Federation, so it is the State that benefits not the immigrants.
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Old 01.04.2018, 15:13
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Donald Trump quits Twitter because he's 'too busy putting America first'

Today's April fool from the Independent.

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Americans abroad pay taxes to the US they hardly benefit from. Seems to be the American way.
Hehe, well said, edot...

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That's why it's such a brilliant move from Trump, it puts the onus on such States to take a harder line on illegal immigration or pay the cost themselves.

Stable Genius!
Those states need stable cheap labour, it's such a hypocrisy if you think more of it. Of course you don't need South-Americans in Utah, but you need them in Florida, California etc. Who would work like a slave for so little money. Trump himself needs them for his companies etc. It's just a smoke curtain...

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Donald Trump quits Twitter because he's 'too busy putting America first'

Today's April fool from the Independent.

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Jokes aside, it would be so good for him to leave social media a.s.a.p.!!!!!
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China announced Sunday that it will implement new tariffs on more than 120 U.S. imports in response to President Trump’s recent decision to increase taxes on imported steel aluminum.

The Chinese Ministry of Finance announced that it will impose a 15 percent tariff on 120 products, including fruits and other commodities. It will also impose a 25 percent tariff on pork and related products.

The tariffs will go into effect starting Monday.
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This will start before the Trump tariffs; previously China had said they would introduce tariffs after Trump; not before!!
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

New cover of @NYMag

"Not Collusion... Not Incompetence... Not Cruelty... It's the Corruption, Stupid," the headline reads.
"Why His Self-Dealing is His Biggest Political Liability."
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Also from the New Yorker

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“Let me get this straight,” Mrs. C said. “You paid a hundred and thirty thousand dollars to a porn star so that she’d remain quiet about something that didn’t happen?”


c.f. Donald Trump’s personal attorney Michael Cohen says he paid $130,000 to Stormy Daniels
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Also from the New Yorker
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“Let me get this straight,” Mrs. C said. “You paid a hundred and thirty thousand dollars to a porn star so that she’d remain quiet about something that didn’t happen?”




c.f. Donald Trump’s personal attorney Michael Cohen says he paid $130,000 to Stormy Daniels
Guys don't usually want the world to know it didn't happen
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Dow drops 459 points as Amazon tumbles, trade war fears rise.

At one point, the Dow was down as much as 758 points.
Market analysts blamed the sell-off on the first day of the second quarter on concerns about trade tensions and President Trump's attacks on Amazon.

Dow is now 3,000 points below the high point this year.

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Hard to understand Trump's motivation? Nobody seems to know what he is expecting from Amazon.
If Amazon increase their prices due to higher delivery costs will that please his base?

Meanwhile a major coal power company (FirstEnergy Solutions and FirstEnergy Nuclear Operating Company) files for bankruptcy and asks Trump for bailout.
The coal industry continues to face enormous pressure, mostly from cheap natural gas, despite Trump's promises to revive the industry by slashing regulations.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

The devil is in the detail on this 'offer'...

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Donald Trump offers Vladimir Putin 'White House visit'
The two leaders' summit is revealed by a Russian diplomat, while the US says "a number of potential venues" are being considered.
https://news.sky.com/story/donald-tr...visit-11314785
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Overall, Trump is reviled by Americans. It's not surprising that the mainstream media, which reflects popular thinking, reports in a manner consistent with the attitude of the people.


Half of voters approve of Trump's job performance: poll
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Rasmussen, a right wing pollster, was only able to scare up 50% approval for the most right wing president in decades, possibly ever?


Hilarious


"Talking Points Memo has questioned the methodology of Rasmussen's Presidential Approval Index, which takes into account only those who "strongly" approve or disapprove of the President's job performance. TPM noted that this inherently skews negative, and reported that multiple polling experts were critical of the concept. A New York Times article claims Ramussen Reports research has a "record of relying on dubious sampling and weighting techniques."


"Founder Scott Rasmussen is the author of a conservative book, and was a featured guest on a cruise by the conservative media outlet The National Review, along with other conservative luminaries."


If only half the right wing like trump, what does that say about the wider population?
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

I was wondering how long it would take you to mindlessly and uncritically post that poll.

Oh, but look what happens when you take ALL polls into consideration, not just one poll that's renowned for its right-leaning bias: 40.6% approve of Trump while 53.5% disapprove. And he's still considered the worst president of all time, while Obama is rated the 8th greatest by scholars of the Presidents & Executive Politics Section of the American Political Science Association, which is "the foremost organization of social science experts in presidential politics".

Keep on believing Trump's Twitter feed, though.
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I was wondering how long it would take you to mindlessly and uncritically post that poll.

Oh, but look what happens when you take ALL polls into consideration, not just one poll that's renowned for its right-leaning bias: 40.6% approve of Trump while 53.5% disapprove. And he's still considered the worst president of all time, while Obama is rated the 8th greatest by scholars of the Presidents & Executive Politics Section of the American Political Science Association, which is "the foremost organization of social science experts in presidential politics".

Keep on believing Trump's Twitter feed, though.
I hate to be a party pooper but "social science experts" seem to be losing their audience, lately. I don't think I would have the arrogance to call it mindless. Critical, maybe.
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I hate to be a party pooper but "social science experts" seem to be losing their audience, lately. I don't think I would have the arrogance to call it mindless. Critical, maybe.
I'd say that reposting as the Gospel truth a poll result found on Trump's Twitter feed, without even considering the origin of the "data", is pretty mindless, wouldn't you?
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Oh, but look what happens when you take ALL polls into consideration, not just one poll that's renowned for its right-leaning bias: 40.6% approve of Trump while 53.5% disapprove.
Not bad considering the constant media bias against him.

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I hate to be a party pooper but "social science experts" seem to be losing their audience, lately. I don't think I would have the arrogance to call it mindless. Critical, maybe.
I imagine Obama's "minority status" would've bumped him up a few places with the social science crowd.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

For the sake of argument, looking at the data first, before assessing your opponents personality will yield better results ..when you try to debate. Be dialectic, ask questions. I don't think kriss reposts mindlessly, but that's irrelevant. I don't think Trump tweets mindlessly, either. The support he has is not mindless. The way people drift away from formerly sacred analysis of social sci experts...is not mindless.
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