Will Trump be a Good President? - Page 63

amogles · #**1241** 12.12.2016, 15:13

	Quote:	Phil_MCR
	There won't be a war as in if China attacks Taiwan, the US will not get involved? Or you think that China will not attack Taiwan on the basis that the US will defend Taiwan even though Trump has made noises about countries defending themselves and free-riding on the US? In the FT: https://www.ft.com/content/84f74bd2-...a-2b93a6856354 It seems that politicians in Taiwan are getting nervous: having taken Trump's words at face value they are considering the possibility that rather than really caring about freedom and democracy, it is more likely that he's using Taiwan just as a bargaining chip and will not stand behind them in any meaningful way.

Honest and open question here.

Isn't China's foreign policy very much focussed on presenting China to the world as being a relaible business partner and economic and industrial powerhouse. A military strike against Taiwan would be interpreted by many to be the first in a series of expansionist military actions against other countries. South Korea? Japan? Who knows?

Would the Chinese compromise their economic and industrial standing just for the sake of jingolistic militarism?

Phil_MCR · #**1242** 12.12.2016, 15:24

	Quote:	amogles
	Honest and open question here. Isn't China's foreign policy very much focussed on presenting China to the world as being a relaible business partner and economic and industrial powerhouse. A military strike against Taiwan would be interpreted by many to be the first in a series of expansionist military actions against other countries. South Korea? Japan? Who knows? Would the Chinese compromise their economic and industrial standing just for the sake of jingolistic militarism?

Well the point is that Taiwan isn't a separate country, but renegade province. In the same way that the US would put down an Independence movement in Hawaii or Alaska, so would China in Taiwan. Imagine if China was selling arms to Alaska and supporting a separatist movement there - it really wouldn't go down well.

The tepid response by the US and EU over Ukraine and Syria doesn't show indicate that they would respond with a strong military action over Taiwan.

Which is why Trump's remarks seem so reckless: currently everybody is happy: China pretends it still is control of Taiwan, Taiwan is de facto independent, US sells arms to Taiwan.

Loz1983 · #**1243** 12.12.2016, 16:47

	Quote:	Phil_MCR
	There won't be a war as in if China attacks Taiwan, the US will not get involved? Or you think that China will not attack Taiwan on the basis that the US will defend Taiwan even though Trump has made noises about countries defending themselves and free-riding on the US?

I don't think either will happen. Any conflict against Taiwan would be costly and potentially embarrassing.

Taiwan's whole defense strategy is based on a Chinese attack. It would be far too great a risk for China. They'll just moan and carry on with their cyber attacks.

Phil_MCR · #**1244** 12.12.2016, 17:34

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Any conflict against Taiwan would be costly and potentially embarrassing.

Agreed, but probably less embarrassing than losing Taiwan.

If it came down to the choice of a formally independent Taiwan and a war with Taiwan, I suspect China would go for the latter.

reids · #**1245** 12.12.2016, 17:44

	Quote:	dodgyken
	There was an election this year?? Who won?

We all lost

amogles · #**1246** 12.12.2016, 17:45

	Quote:	reids
	We all lost

Speak for yourself.

I wasn't even a candidate.

marton · #**1247** 12.12.2016, 21:20

	Quote:	marton
	And now the ugly old frog has picked a highly public battle with his leading intelligence agency; this will all end in tears

Republican Senators admonishing Trump!

	Quote:
	Republican Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell broke with President-elect Donald Trump over Russia on Monday, saying he supports a congressional investigation into findings that Russian hackers attempted to influence the election. McConnell praised the American intelligence community, saying he has "the highest confidence in the intelligence community, and especially the Central Intelligence Agency" -- which Trump had recently lambasted over its findings. A bipartisan group of senators -- McCain, Senate Democratic leader Chuck Schumer, Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-South Carolina, and Sen. Jack Reed, D-Rhode Island -- had on Sunday called for an investigation into the intelligence community's finding that Russia attempted to influence the election. House Speaker Paul Ryan, R-Wisconsin, took the same position as McConnell.

Source

You could not make up this stuff; we are in for an interesting four years

Anyway positive side; it looks like the Republican led Senate and Congress will not blindly support Trump's plans and new laws!

reids · #**1248** 12.12.2016, 22:28

Michael Moore was spot on about him getting elected and hopefully he's also right about him only lasting two years before he gets impeached, the president elect is a nutjob.

Loz1983 · #**1249** 13.12.2016, 09:14

Trumps twitter is pure entertainment.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...56602076545025

marton · #**1250** 13.12.2016, 11:43

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Trumps twitter is pure entertainment. https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...56602076545025

Well the problem is that now he is President elect every time he posts about a contract the shares of the Company involved rise or dive depending on the Twitter content.
If you knew in advance what he planned to twitter you could make a fortune.
Now he has upset the CIA I am sure they are checking very carefully which Trump of friends seem to be profiting

Medea Fleecestealer · #**1251** 13.12.2016, 11:49

Looks like Donald may have to provide his own entertainment at his inaugrual bash.

http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-38298215

Urs Max · #**1252** 13.12.2016, 16:24

I find it really reassuring to learn that neither Goldman Sachs (Mnuchin , Banon, Cohn) nor Exxon (Tillerson) are part of the establishment. Obviously together with the PE and all other multimillionaires and billionaires they will have nothing in mind but John Doe's interests and wellbeing.

Nur die dümmsten Kälber wählen ihren Metzger selber.

st2lemans · #**1253** 13.12.2016, 17:00

	Quote:	reids
	the president elect is a nutjob.

But still a better choice than HRC.

Tom

PaddyG · #**1254** 13.12.2016, 17:12

	Quote:	st2lemans
	But still a better choice than HRC. Tom

In what way is this narcissistic buffoon a better choice than just about anyone else on the planet?

Verbier · #**1255** 13.12.2016, 17:35

Michael Moore is kicking up the dust a bit over on FB.

"Hey @realDonaldTrump -- are you worried? I mean, you're not president yet. Not until 12 noon, January 20, 2017. That's FIVE long weeks. This must be driving you crazy! In "The Art of the Deal" you wrote about the importance of closing the deal quick. Give it too much time, people find a way to pull out, making you the loser. January 20th is a long way away! And there are millions of people right now who are saying prayers, asking Santa, making wishes, and putting their heads together to find a way to stop this madness. I think you should be worried. I think you are! Why? 'Cause you're not president yet! I mean, what on earth could possibly be the problem, Comrade Trump?"

edot · #**1256** 13.12.2016, 18:03

	Quote:	st2lemans
	But still a better choice than HRC. Tom

Yeah, i know that several of you think that, but I just don't see it. But time will tell, won't it?

amogles · #**1257** 13.12.2016, 18:19

	Quote:	edot
	Yeah, i know that several of you think that, but I just don't see it. But time will tell, won't it?

Sadly time won't tell as we'll never be able to compare.

reids · #**1258** 13.12.2016, 18:52

	Quote:	st2lemans
	But still a better choice than HRC. Tom

Not according to a significant majority of the electorate.

The Clintons are nasty bits work but they are still a world better than the man baby trump. I'm just waiting for more and more trump supporters to wake up and realise the 1%er they voted for doesn't give a rats ass about them once he'd fooled them into voting for him. Suckers.

BokerTov · #**1259** 13.12.2016, 19:49

	Quote:	reids
	I'm just waiting for more and more trump supporters to wake up and realise the 1%er they voted for doesn't give a rats ass about them once he'd fooled them into voting for him. Suckers.

I share this view. No matter how PE Trump & Friends want to spin it, coal ain't coming back. And neither other things he promised are going to happen.

If it wasn't the US but a more militarized, less democratic country, after he basically called the intelligence agency stupid, I'd be expecting a coup any day now.

Odile · #**1260** 13.12.2016, 20:01

How many more votes for Hillary than Trump so far- about 3 MILLION.
Talk about 'the will of the people'