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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

This is way too American-centric. Obama's CIA-led effort totally flopped and had a minimal impact on the civil war. Syria sure is a proxy war but it's more of the Sunni/Shia variety. https://youtu.be/JFpanWNgfQY



I'm not exaggerating, Obama's support for the rebels was comically ineffective:
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The original $500 million training program began in the spring of 2015 with talk of fielding a force of about 5,000 rebels by the end of the year, but due to desertions and attacks by other rebel groups produced only about five trained fighters before being shut down in October.
BBC has a nice article on the program's futility: http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-33997408

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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

For those who like Saturday Night live then here Robert De Niro’s Robert Mueller Grills Ben Stiller’s Michael Cohen
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I wonder if this is accurate

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Here's the source. It's from a liberal blog but these are objective measures and they show their work. It's accurate up to the end of Obama's presidency, at least.
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/201...ump-Appointees

Edit: Looks like the Trump row was added after the original table was compiled. The 17 criminal indictments may include the 13 indictments of Russians involved in the election meddling. That may not be a fair comparison to others, as it was compiled separately. But, there have been 22 indictments related to Mueller investigation (including the 13 Russians) and 5 guilty plea deals. Trump's row should probably include 9 criminal indictments and 5 criminal convictions.

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Here's the source. It's from the liberal blog but these are objective measures and they show their work. It's accurate.
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/201...ump-Appointees
If it was accurate then wouldn't it include Petraeus' indictment and conviction? It was Obama who nominated him to Director of the CIA, if I'm not mistaken.

Not that I'm a fan of Trump, but I'm even less of a fan of spin.
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If it was accurate then wouldn't it include Petraeus' indictment and conviction? It was Obama who nominated him to Director of the CIA, if I'm not mistaken.

Not that I'm a fan of Trump, but I'm even less of a fan of spin.
Good catch. I took a closer look and it appears the incidents listed are for those accused of felonies.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petraeus_scandal

The author didn't explicitly say that he excluded misdemeanors, so this is just my best guess but it could have also been a mistake.
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I never asked Comey for Personal Loyalty. I hardly even knew this guy. Just another of his many lies. His “memos” are self serving and FAKE!
Ironic from the man who is alleged to tell an average of five lies per day!

Meanwhile John Bolton has taken a paring knife to President Trump’s national security team in his first week on the job advising the president, with likely more to come.
So far he has not announced any replacements; no doubt people are fighting to join his team
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Comey pulled no punches in an interview with ABC News that aired Sunday, describing Trump as a habitual liar who runs his administration like a mafia family.

More details here.

Firing Comey was probably Trump's biggest mistake; it caused the appointment of the special counsel plus the whole tawdry business gets regurgitated in the Press at frequent intervals.

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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Here's an excellent article from the New Yorker on the imminent end of the Trump Presidency, thanks to learning all the information that Michael Cohen had squirreled away.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-...ump-presidency

Is it my imagination, or have the Trump boosters gone very quiet lately?
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This president is easily the least intelligent in history. This is a classic tweet from him.

So Comey wanted a job in a future Hillary Clinton administration, which explains why he went so easy on her... by revealing just before the election that the FBI was investigating her, implying that charges could be laid. Presumably he did that to boost her chances of election.

Clinton stated after the election that Comey's late revelation probably lost the election for her. It's hard to see any other view.

Oh, and really presidential to use epithets like "slimeball".

ETA: Here's Trump on the campaign trail talking about Comey's decision to announce the FBI's investigation into Clinton, before he lost his marbles.

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I'm not usually a big fan of internet memes but this one made me chuckle.
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Here's an excellent article from the New Yorker on the imminent end of the Trump Presidency, thanks to learning all the information that Michael Cohen had squirreled away.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-...ump-presidency

Is it my imagination, or have the Trump boosters gone very quiet lately?
The article does not explicitly mention that if this is the result then likely his business will also be finished. Who would ever want to licence the name of a failed President?
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The article does not explicitly mention that if this is the result then likely his business will also be finished. Who would ever want to licence the name of a failed President?
Given that he had the unwavering support of ~30% of the electorate, perhaps he feels he can tap that revenue stream. I guess he'll probably have to move into retail though, not sure how many of them will be after Manhattan real estate!
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

@realDonaldTrump

Just hit 50% in the Rasmussen Poll, much higher than President Obama at same point. With all of the phony stories and Fake News, it’s hard to believe! Thank you America, we are doing Great Things.
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Sigh- why don't you go back and enjoy all this great stuff, hey.
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Just hit 50% in the Rasmussen Poll, much higher than President Obama at same point. With all of the phony stories and Fake News, it’s hard to believe! Thank you America, we are doing Great Things.
Baaaaaaaaaaaaaa...

No need for me to post it all again -- I can just point you here. After all, there's nothing to gain by feeding the troll.

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Good catch. I took a closer look and it appears the incidents listed are for those accused of felonies.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petraeus_scandal

The author didn't explicitly say that he excluded misdemeanors, so this is just my best guess but it could have also been a mistake.
Strangely enough, this made news today. In James Comey's interview he said this about Petraeus:

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Well, the David Petraeus case was, to my mind, not a close case at all. He was the director of the C.I.A. He was having a romantic relationship with a woman who was also an author, going to write a book about him. He had taken home and stored in a backpack notebooks full of notes about some of the government’s most sensitive secrets. Classified at the top level in the government, including conversations with President Obama about special access programs, some of our — our most closely guarded secrets.

And he had given these notebooks to this person who had neither a need to know, nor the appropriate clearance. And he’d actually allowed her to photograph pages containing top secret information. And then, when the F.B.I. interviewed him about it, he lied about it. And so you had clearly intentional misconduct by a guy who’s in charge of the country’s secrets as the director of the C.I.A., involving huge trove of our top level classified information. And then obstruction of justice.

It was not a close call. In fact, I thought David Petraeus should’ve been prosecuted not just for the mishandling of the classified information, but also for lying to the F.B.I. because lying is-- strikes at the heart of our rule of law in this country. And in the end, the attorney general at the time, Eric Holder, decided he would be charged only with the misdemeanor mishandling of classified information.
It's a compelling argument. I'm convinced. Holder should have probably charged Petraeus with a felony.

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Here's an excellent article from the New Yorker on the imminent end of the Trump Presidency, thanks to learning all the information that Michael Cohen had squirreled away.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-...ump-presidency

Is it my imagination, or have the Trump boosters gone very quiet lately?
The only ones Ok with the strike are the "normal" rights, everybody else blasts him be they from the left (of course), the center or the ultra-right. Even infowars and other loonies are outraged for him breaking the promise of "America first" and wasting ever more tax dollars abroad, Fox criticizes Trump as well.

By the recent bombing and retweeting UN ambassador Nicky Haley's
"when our president draws a red line, our president enforces the red line"
Trump made himself Assad's puppet who has no other option than to jump if Assad decides (and gets Putin's Ok) to "tickle" him some more.

Regardless of who really dropped the chemical weapons, Trump no longer decides if the US are to get more involved (again) in Syriah.
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