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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

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you can either report a bare fact (basic), or you can report a fact in the context of lots of other facts that may or may not be connected properly (complex). this connecting of facts is where the bias is, but it looks like neutral nuance.
At the same time you can't go below a mimimum level of detail without destroying the story.

To use your analogy:
A cooking recipe that doesn't give the amount of each componenent plus a short description of what to do is useless.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

An interesting off-topic side anecdote:


I was on the train on Saturday and was quietly observing the family next to me consisting of a father and 3 young children (range 9-7ish I'm guessing).

They were playing an app game where you have to guess the capital of each country.

A country came up which the kids didn't know so they asked the father. He looked it up on his phone and stated the answer. Actively integrated in their learning process, he went on to tell them the country's GDP per capita. (Which I'm sure went straight over their head) Then followed up stating the GDP per capita per day value he quickly calculated a-matter-a-factually.

He knew that the GDP value is important, He know that math skills (well quickly being able to divide by 365 if the number is an easy factor of 365), but couldn't portray the reason why it was important. I'm guessing he didn't quite know himself.


Basic information and facts are very good if you know what to do with them and what they mean. Unfortunately this is an almost impossible task for the common voter. Thus we rely on 'experts' to give us simple insights---the bias of these 'experts' are of concern, but so is accepting some one as a believable 'expert' if they support my opinion, and disregarding others as 'experts' if they say something against my opinion.

Makes for fun discussions on forums though!
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

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Funny how Alex Jones will subscribe to just about any conspiracy theory going; chemtrails, vaccines and autism, Big Pharma and the FDA, false flag operations, Sandy Hook etc, but not when the Intelligence agencies are investigating possible Russian interference into the election. Oh that's right, it doesn't suit his agenda.

Talking of John Olver, he did quite a good piece on how the Democrats stealing the primaries from Bernie Sanders is just another conspiracy; can't see how that has liberal bias.
I'm looking forward to seeing how Alex Jones handles the manbaby attending Bilderberg
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Rex Tillerson as the new Secretary of State

http://qz.com/862536/photos-the-brom...rex-tillerson/

I understand the sanctions will be lifted by the end of January...
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I share this view. No matter how PE Trump & Friends want to spin it, coal ain't coming back. And neither other things he promised are going to happen.
Well, that much is clear. To be honest, I'm surprised that Trump is actually expended effort on at least trying to save jobs, or bring back jobs (or at least giving the impression of doing so) - which shows that either he really did mean to try to achieve such things, OR he doesn't but is going through the motions (which makes him even more savvy than I expected).

I thought he would dump the people who got him into power as soon as he got enough votes.

That said, it still makes sense for the people left behind to have voted this way: at best, Trump tries to do what he said and they may be better off. At worst it all goes to shit and they are worse off, but the middle classes and others may be even worse off than they are - not a direct win for them, but at least it will register and make the political parties take more note of their concerns instead of ignoring them next time.
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Old 14.12.2016, 23:41
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

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Well, that much is clear. To be honest, I'm surprised that Trump is actually expended effort on at least trying to save jobs, or bring back jobs (or at least giving the impression of doing so) - which shows that either he really did mean to try to achieve such things, OR he doesn't but is going through the motions (which makes him even more savvy than I expected).

I thought he would dump the people who got him into power as soon as he got enough votes.

That said, it still makes sense for the people left behind to have voted this way: at best, Trump tries to do what he said and they may be better off. At worst it all goes to shit and they are worse off, but the middle classes and others may be even worse off than they are - not a direct win for them, but at least it will register and make the political parties take more note of their concerns instead of ignoring them next time.
"is going through the motions" Reminds me of the joke about the guy who fell into a cess pool, boom, boom.

"at best, Trump tries to do what he said and they may be better off. At worst ......"
Problem is that we will only be able to compare his Presidency with what might have been so we will never really know if people would have been better or worse off than with HC.
What he has achieved is to completely change the Presidential election process; for better or worse will also be hard to evaluate.

"it will register and make the political parties take more note...." completely agree!
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

The global impact of Trump being elected is already rippling around the world. For example, last night Manchester United won back to back league games for the first time since August.

The end of the world is nigh!!
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

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Rex Tillerson as the new Secretary of State

http://qz.com/862536/photos-the-brom...rex-tillerson/

I understand the sanctions will be lifted by the end of January...
I think there a multiple aspects to that appointment. One is the "establishment" thingy mentioned above.

Another is US relationships with Russia. If you think actions in recent years (essentially encircling Russia militarily, reducing its nuclear arm's effectiveness by installing a rocket shield, and trying to cut off its access to international waters, which lead [some would say forced] the bear to hit back) were not the best approach, Trump's intentions and this nomination probably should be seen as a good thing.

Regardless of the above, it certainly is a good thing for big business (aka the establishment).
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Rex Tillerson as the new Secretary of State

http://qz.com/862536/photos-the-brom...rex-tillerson/

I understand the sanctions will be lifted by the end of January...
I think this is a good pick. Rex is a self made engineer who worked his way up the corporation. Been following him for a while--he does have a way with foreign affairs.


Apart from the questionable decision for EPA, his advisory council is looking very stacked. Some really good choices here:
Stephen A. Schwarzman (Forum Chairman), Chairman, CEO, and Co-Founder of Blackstone
Paul Atkins, CEO Patomak Global Partners, LLC, Former Commissioner of the Securities and Exchange Commission
Mary Barra, Chairman and CEO, General Motors
Toby Cosgrove, CEO, Cleveland Clinic
Jamie Dimon, Chairman and CEO, JPMorgan Chase & Co
Larry Fink, Chairman and CEO, BlackRock
Travis Kalanick, CEO and Co-founder, Uber Technologies
Bob Iger, Chairman and CEO, The Walt Disney Company
Rich Lesser, President and CEO, Boston Consulting Group
Doug McMillon, President and CEO, Wal-Mart Stores, Inc.
Jim McNerney, Former Chairman, President, and CEO, Boeing
Elon Musk, Chairman and CEO, SpaceX and Tesla
Indra Nooyi, Chairman and CEO of PepsiCo
Adebayo “Bayo” Ogunlesi, Chairman and Managing Partner, Global Infrastructure Partners
Ginni Rometty, Chairman, President, and CEO, IBM
Kevin Warsh, Shepard Family Distinguished Visiting Fellow in Economics, Hoover Institute, Former Member of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System
Mark Weinberger, Global Chairman and CEO, EY
Jack Welch, Former Chairman and CEO, General Electric
Daniel Yergin, Pulitzer Prize-winner, Vice Chairman of IHS Markit
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Lol

Police charge Muslim woman who falsely claimed she was called a 'terrorist' on the subway. Muslim teen 'lied about hate crime by Donald Trump supporters because she was coming home late'
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And that has absolutely what to do with the topic? She was attention seeking. Grown ups don't LOL.
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And that has absolutely what to do with the topic? She was attention seeking. Grown ups don't LOL.
Claims of hate crimes possibly linked to Trump's election reported across the US
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And? Do you mean to imply you thought women are unable to do stupid things?
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Pepsi CEO says that Pepsi employees were not sad or disappointed over Trump win but actually in mourning.

All of them.

She is also saddened that communications are degrading to short, simple and shallow messages. I hope she means what she says. I will look forward to the next Pepsi advertising campaign.

Nevertheless, Trump appoints her to advisory board.

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/p...155919576.html
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Pepsi CEO says that Pepsi employees were not sad or disappointed over Trump win but actually in mourning.

All of them.

She is also saddened that communications are degrading to short, simple and shallow messages. I hope she means what she says. I will look forward to the next Pepsi advertising campaign.

Nevertheless, Trump appoints her to advisory board.

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/p...155919576.html

There's quite a few individuals on the advisory list who were supporting Clinton and very critical of Trump.


One must also realize, that business is business and anyone who has worked in business before knows that things will commonly go against one's personal beliefs and wishes. A successful business person understands the concept of consensus, and continues to work and strive to be successful with the situations they can't control after decisions have been made. I hope (and believe) the individual in this group are in that category.
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And? Do you mean to imply you thought women are unable to do stupid things?
No he wanted to show Muslims as being antagonists to Trump. It's all very boring.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Yes the same thing is happening in Britain post Brexhate, it gives Nationalists the idea that they can persecute those they feel do not fit with their ideas of how a fellow Brit or Yank should look like. It's sad.

I don't doubt that people are making up incidents either, but I would believe that there are many more actual incidents of racism and abuse, post Trump and Brexit then before.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

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And? Do you mean to imply you thought women are unable to do stupid things?
no the implication is #fakenews

many if not all of these reported hate crimes conveniently lack footage or serious harm to the "victim".

the fakeness is obvious to many people, except the msm and facebook echo chambers of course.

only weeks after the initial claim do we get the police investigation results but by then the hatespike nonsense has been solidified in peoples minds already.
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No he wanted to show Muslims as being antagonists to Trump. It's all very boring.
Nope, just highlighting that the wave of hate crimes being reported after the Trump election, like those reported after Brexit, need to be treated with skepticism as many are simply not true. The media like to portray that the country turned into a stinking cesspit or bigots and xenophobes overnight.

Here's another example:

Louisiana student ‘fabricated’ story of hijab attack, police say
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Nope, just highlighting that the wave of hate crimes being reported after the Trump election, like those reported after Brexit, need to be treated with skepticism as many are simply not true. The media like to portray that the country turned into a stinking cesspit or bigots and xenophobes overnight.

Here's another example:

Louisiana student ‘fabricated’ story of hijab attack, police say
But maybe actual incidents have also increased. The country never changed, it just gives those with tendencies to racial hate the feeling that its OK to be open about it and to actually be abusive.
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