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Old 04.06.2018, 23:14
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Interesting schism within Fox News between their opinion hosts like Sean Hannity who totally support Trump and their journalists on the news side who have other views.
As an example the news chief Shep Smith: "Someone in White House is lying about Trump Tower meeting".

"It's one of those days when you just don't know what to do because we have two things put out as truth, and they're opposites. And as a result of the fact they're opposites, one of them is untrue," Smith said following the White House's daily press briefing.

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Smith has been sharp in his criticism of Trump and his administration. Last week, he dismissed Trump's "spygate" claims, saying that Fox News had no evidence to support the assertions.

“There’s nothing to support that claim and neither the president nor the White House has offered anything to support that claim,” Smith said.

Edit; Meanwhile Sean Hannity unleashes on ‘Spy Gate’ doubters: ‘Shame on Trey Gowdy’.
Even before giving his opening monologue, Hannity said that Gowdy “apparently doesn’t get it” and insisted that he’s “actually defending the FBI’s use of spies in its overall investigation into Russian collusion.”

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So gracious in fact, that a year and a half after the election, he still won't miss an opportunity to say bad things about his successor.
He has never said a single personal thing about the Donald. He has cautiously criticized some of his policies (many of which are of course aimed at dismantling the work of Obama) but which of us in here of sane mind haven't criticized a policy or two? He's been remarkably restrained given the circumstances!

The difference is that Trump plays the man, whist Obama plays the ball.. You have to be willfully ignorant to overlook this fact.
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So gracious in fact, that a year and a half after the election, he still won't miss an opportunity to say bad things about his successor.
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Surprised Melania is not going to meet King Kong. She could certainly get a deal out of him!
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So gracious in fact, that a year and a half after the election, he still won't miss an opportunity to say bad things about his successor.
I've tried googling all combinations of language that would point to Obama saying "bad things" about Trump. Even searched using the slightly unhinged sensational language you associate with publications like Breitbart, as well as the more subtle language used by the mainstream media. Nada.

Yes, as StirB pointed out, he has been critical of policies but I couldn't find anything as personally nasty as Trump would tweet.

To be fair to Trump's side, though, even his closest allies don't tweet with the same degree of personal insult as Trump himself.
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Old 05.06.2018, 10:01
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Are you talking about the right person? Trump is the one who doesn't miss an opportunity to criticize Obama and Clinton (and anyone else he doesn't like). Not the other way around. Obama has criticized Trump, of course, but not on an almost daily basis.
True, but nobody was imputing that Trump has grace.
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True, but nobody was imputing that Trump has grace.
Can you tell us some of these bad things he has said. You said he never misses an opportunity to say bad things about Trump, so maybe you could list a few for us? Should be easy enough.
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Can you tell us some of these bad things he has said. You said he never misses an opportunity to say bad things about Trump, so maybe you could list a few for us? Should be easy enough.

He could tell you, but they would be alternative facts.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Let's take this one step at a time and retain the context in which things were said.

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Can you tell us some of these bad things he [Obama] has said. You said he never misses an opportunity to say bad things about Trump, so maybe you could list a few for us? Should be easy enough.
So you go ahead. List some gracious things he said about Trump, things Trump could have learnt from him, and I'll counter them with less gracious things he also said about Trump.
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Let's take this one step at a time and retain the context in which things were said.

So you go ahead. List some gracious things he said about Trump, things Trump could have learnt from him, and I'll counter them with less gracious things he also said about Trump.

Why wait, just give us the list already!
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Let's take this one step at a time and retain the context in which things were said...

...So you go ahead. List some gracious things he said about Trump, things Trump could have learnt from him, and I'll counter them with less gracious things he also said about Trump.
Nope, that's not how things work. You can have your own battles with 22Y, I would like you to answer my question. Obviously, you are deflecting, as you cannot answer, this is fine, we all say things we cannot back up in the heat of a debate and I'm sure you'll come clean on that shortly.
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Old 05.06.2018, 10:31
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Links to these bad things please?

Edit; since his inauguration Trump has tweeted 106 times "bad things" about Obama.
How many links can you deliver that show Obama won't miss an opportunity to say bad things about his successor.
Links please?

& I am not impressed by your attempt to move the goalposts from "bad things" to " less gracious".

"bad things" is what you wrote and so we need your links to these
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Nope, that's not how things work. You can have your own battles with 22Y, I would like you to answer my question. Obviously, you are deflecting, as you cannot answer, this is fine, we all say things we cannot back up in the heat of a debate and I'm sure you'll come clean on that shortly.


Hear hear, come on amogles, put up or shut up, you lied, prove that Obama never misses an opportunity to say bad things about Spanky or withdraw the comment.
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Let's take this one step at a time and retain the context in which things were said.
Let's retain the order in which things were said. First up was:

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Arrogance will do that...the only way out is to give the one who won a gracious moment. None of them did.
This was entirely false, as Clinton was surprisingly gracious in defeat (at least, she didn't attack Trump personally) and Obama was, as mentioned, a model of grace in his handover, wishing Trump well for his presidency.

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List some gracious things he said about Trump, things Trump could have learnt from him, and I'll counter them with less gracious things he also said about Trump.
There's no need for this dance. Clearly you have a list of obnoxious quotes from Obama -- please go ahead and post it.
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Hear hear, come on amogles, put up or shut up, you lied, prove that Obama never misses an opportunity to say bad things about Spanky or withdraw the comment.
It's a reflection on how things have been panning out since he took over as president.

Trump is just a disappointing load of wind and piss that his supporters have to resort to #whataboutism, projection and daily damage limitation to fill the void.

If nothing else, it has exposed people for their true colours. Like or hate Obama, he's either a master at keeping his true colours under wraps or he is simply a case of what-you-see-is-what-you-get.
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Let's take this one step at a time and retain the context in which things were said.

So you go ahead. List some gracious things he said about Trump, things Trump could have learnt from him, and I'll counter them with less gracious things he also said about Trump.
Well despite the fact that the onus is very much on you let's see what Obama said about the transition

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And I had been very encouraged by the, I think, interest in President-elect Trump’s wanting to work with my team around many of the issues that this great country faces. And I believe that it is important for all of us, regardless of party and regardless of political preferences, to now come together, work together to deal with the many challenges that we face.
And in the meantime, Michelle has had a chance to greet the incoming First Lady. And we had an excellent conversation with her as well. And we want to make sure that they feel welcome as they prepare to make this transition.
And most of all, I want to emphasize to you, Mr. President-elect, that we now are going to want to do everything we can to help you succeed, because if you succeed, then the country succeeds.
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Barack...(November_2016)

Now let's see what you have.
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It's a reflection on how things have been panning out since he took over as president.

Trump is just a disappointing load of wind and piss that his supporters have to resort to #whataboutism, projection and daily damage limitation to fill the void.

If nothing else, it has exposed people for their true colours. Like or hate Obama, he's either a master at keeping his true colours under wraps or he is simply a case of what-you-see-is-what-you-get.
Some people are gracious losers, Trump can't even be a gracious winner

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Thank you to Rasmussen for the honest polling. Just hit 50%, which is higher than Cheatin’ Obama at the same time in his Administration.

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and Obama was, as mentioned, a model of grace in his handover, wishing Trump well for his presidency.
He was just normal, if he behaved differently he would have been stupid. Exactly what Trump is accused of.
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Well despite the fact that the onus is very much on you let's see what Obama said about the transition


https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Barack...(November_2016)

Now let's see what you have.
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In other words; "Please don't be a fu ckwit".
Oi - I was trying to be polite.

Really not sure why, though.....
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