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There's no need for this dance. Clearly you have a list of obnoxious quotes from Obama -- please go ahead and post it.
That's easy, just take the letter BO left in the oval office for Trump:
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Dear Mr. President -
Congratulations on a remarkable run. Millions have placed their hopes
in you, and all of us, regardless of party, should hope for expanded
prosperity and security during your tenure.

This is a unique office, without a clear blueprint for success, so
I don't know that any advice from me will be particularly helpful.
Still, let me offer a few reflections from the past 8 years.

[..]

Michelle and I wish you and Melania the very best as you embark
on this great adventure, and know that we stand ready to help in
any ways which we can.

Good luck and Godspeed,
BO
This is a particularly nasty piece of work. How can he be so friendly to his political opponent, it's unbelievable und utterly disgusting!
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I wonder if this thread will end on page 666?
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

If you are following things from a strategic perspective, you might find the latest Rachel Maddows video to be of interest. Specifically around the question of Michael Cohen papers/audio, the possible pardons and the Russian component of the Mueller investigation.

Here is the video.

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True, but nobody was imputing that Trump has grace.
People did not vote him in for being gracious. Being a gracious president, imho, does not count towards his MAGA program at the moment. He is advancing sans grace, but he seems to be advancing.

I made a comment about opponents of Trump being sore losers. It would have played in their cards million times better if they managed to lose and save their face. Which is hard to do, if you call the voters "deplorables". She will never forgive herself. I hope.
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People did not vote him in for being gracious. Being a gracious president, imho, does not count towards his MAGA program at the moment. He is advancing sans grace, but he seems to be advancing.

I made a comment about opponents of Trump being sore losers. It would have played in their cards million times better if they managed to lose and save their face. Which is hard to do, if you call the voters "deplorables". She will never forgive herself. I hope.
Grace, humility and dignity are nothing to do with his politics and everything to do with him as a person, though.

It speaks volumes about people who think these human qualities are not important and anyone who does see their importance is derided as "liberal".

Deflection, projection and "whataboutism" seem to be all the fanboys and "fan-chicks" have got left. How sad.
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People did not vote him in for being gracious. Being a gracious president, imho, does not count towards his MAGA program at the moment. He is advancing sans grace, but he seems to be advancing.

I made a comment about opponents of Trump being sore losers. It would have played in their cards million times better if they managed to lose and save their face. Which is hard to do, if you call the voters "deplorables". She will never forgive herself. I hope.
Hillary made the "deplorables" comment during a campaign speech so claiming it was a "sore loser" comment is out of context.
You do know how important context is

Does not compare to Trump's invective in his campaign, I googled this but there were too many such comments to post.

Trump will never retract or even consider apologising unlike Hillary who did apologise for her "deplorables" comment!
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Old 05.06.2018, 17:27
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Grace, humility and dignity are nothing to do with his politics and everything to do with him as a person, though.

It speaks volumes about people who think these human qualities are not important and anyone who does see their importance is derided as "liberal".

Deflection, projection and "whataboutism" seem to be all the fanboys and "fan-chicks" have got left. How sad.
I disagree.

Of course it would be wonderful if Trump could act with more dignity, more grace, show more of a stiff upper lip, more sportsmanship, and what have you.

But then we don't live in a "design your own president" world. In the US, more than in other countries, the election is a dichotomous affair where you get to chose between two people, neither of whom is anywhere near perfect. You chose the lesser of two evils.

Even if Trump had been the most cultured gentleman that ever walked the Earth, his critics would still have attacked him ceaselessly. His personality isn't the only problem here. On the other hand, being rough at the edges has arguably helped him politically.

That's not the same as saying human qualities aren't important. They are.

Let's recall that it's not been only the Trump side that has said ugly things and called people ugly names. Arguably it was Hilary's Deplorables remark that leveraged Trump into power in the first place. Maybe it is "whatoaboutism" and deflection to think that. Maybe you are right. But maybe, if everybody stopped being so angry, things could get better?

I think we have discussed before how on the EF, ceratin people are not arguiing against any real person but just some imaginary projection that exists in their own minds. Calling people fanboys, fanchicks and all that are just examples among many. As long as people don't get out of that, the anger is not going away.
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People did not vote him in for being gracious. Being a gracious president, imho, does not count towards his MAGA program at the moment. He is advancing sans grace, but he seems to be advancing.
Which implies it's Ok to deride people of all kinds, perhaps even necessary in order to MAGA.

So here we have one candidate calling the opponent's supporters deplorable, a one-time event btw, something that (as you imply) justly added to her losing the election.

OTOH there's Trump who does nothing but deride and insult, both individuals and a good many groups, virtually at no end, and that's Ok or even outright necessary.

I don't think I've ever seen hypocrisy demonstrated as clear as in this case.
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I disagree.

Of course it would be wonderful if Trump could act with more dignity, more grace, show more of a stiff upper lip, more sportsmanship, and what have you.

But then we don't live in a "design your own president" world. In the US, more than in other countries, the election is a dichotomous affair where you get to chose between two people, neither of whom is anywhere near perfect. You chose the lesser of two evils.

Even if Trump had been the most cultured gentleman that ever walked the Earth, his critics would still have attacked him ceaselessly. His personality isn't the only problem here. On the other hand, being rough at the edges has arguably helped him politically.

That's not the same as saying human qualities aren't important. They are.

Let's recall that it's not been only the Trump side that has said ugly things and called people ugly names. Arguably it was Hilary's Deplorables remark that leveraged Trump into power in the first place. Maybe it is "whatoaboutism" and deflection to think that. Maybe you are right. But maybe, if everybody stopped being so angry, things could get better?

I think we have discussed before how on the EF, ceratin people are not arguiing against any real person but just some imaginary projection that exists in their own minds. As long as people don't get out of that, the anger is not going away.
"Let's recall that it's not been only the Trump side that has said ugly things and called people ugly names." When you provide the links of Obama saying "bad things" about Trump you could add some "ugly names" examples?
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"Let's recall that it's not been only the Trump side that has said ugly things and called people ugly names." When you provide the links of Obama saying "bad things" about Trump you could add some "ugly names" examples?
Thank you for graciously illustrating my point.
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I disagree.

Of course it would be wonderful if Trump could act with more dignity, more grace, show more of a stiff upper lip, more sportsmanship, and what have you.

But then we don't live in a "design your own president" world. In the US, more than in other countries, the election is a dichotomous affair where you get to chose between two people, neither of whom is anywhere near perfect. You chose the lesser of two evils.

Even if Trump had been the most cultured gentleman that ever walked the Earth, his critics would still have attacked him ceaselessly. His personality isn't the only problem here. On the other hand, being rough at the edges has arguably helped him politically.

That's not the same as saying human qualities aren't important. They are.

Let's recall that it's not been only the Trump side that has said ugly things and called people ugly names. Arguably it was Hilary's Deplorables remark that leveraged Trump into power in the first place. Maybe it is "whatoaboutism" and deflection to think that. Maybe you are right. But maybe, if everybody stopped being so angry, things could get better?

I think we have discussed before how on the EF, ceratin people are not arguiing against any real person but just some imaginary projection that exists in their own minds. As long as people don't get out of that, the anger is not going away.
All that's fine but if you look at his to-do list, he's not even hitting mediocre when it's coming to achieving anything, either. So the "human" side of it is just another facet which is defunct.

So not only is he a socially inept ratbag, he's also useless.

The supporters seem to be clinging on this North Korea thing. AT LAST! Something he might get right!! Something which isn't a knee-jerk short term sticking plaster.

But it hasn't happened yet.
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Thank you for graciously illustrating my point.
No links to support any of your unfounded accusations then?
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All that's fine but if you look at his to-do list, he's not even hitting mediocre when it's coming to achieving anything, either. So the "human" side of it is just another facet which is defunct.

So not only is he a socially inept ratbag, he's also useless.

The supporters seem to be clinging on this North Korea thing. AT LAST! Something he might get right!! Something which isn't a knee-jerk short term sticking plaster.

But it hasn't happened yet.
Ironically this North Korea thing seemed to be going well until his latest recruit Bolton started talking about Libya.

I wonder how long Bolton will last in the White House? He was already excluded from Trump's last meeting with a North Korean visitor!

The summit is planned for next week. Not much time to prepare!
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Grace, humility and dignity are nothing to do with his politics and everything to do with him as a person, though.

It speaks volumes about people who think these human qualities are not important and anyone who does see their importance is derided as "liberal".

Deflection, projection and "whataboutism" seem to be all the fanboys and "fan-chicks" have got left. How sad.


Couldn't agree more, this whole sorry episode has amazed me at how some people think bad people will suddenly do good things. Spanky is a horrific human being with no redeeming features I can see, no maturity, honesty, loyalty, responsibilty, impulse control, intellectual curtiousity, nothing. Yet there are those who really think that regardless of what seems to be a bottomless pit of failings, he still has their best interests at heart <hollow laugh> good luck with that.
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I wouldn't try to blame Trump for North Korea problem. I blame North Korea. Some seem to forget that difference. He is actually busy to do something about this problem with North Korea.
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I wouldn't try to blame Trump for North Korea problem. I blame North Korea. Some seem to forget that difference. He is actually busy to do something about this problem with North Korea.
Well, exactly. This is one situation where he might actually make a difference and be his first proper lasting achievement, if it all goes ahead.

Fingers crossed, eh..?
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I disagree.

Of course it would be wonderful if Trump could act with more dignity, more grace, show more of a stiff upper lip, more sportsmanship, and what have you.
It is as realistic as wanting Merkel to be sexier. Or Macron manlier. People are what they are...they have their right to be human. Except Trump, seems like.
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<Nothing supporting their allegations>
C'mon then, let's have the list of Obama trash talking Spanky, stop ignoring the question. This is becoming positively Trumpian.
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It is as realistic as wanting Merkel to be sexier. Or Macron manlier. People are what they are...they have their right to be human. Except Trump, seems like.
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I made a comment about opponents of Trump being sore losers. It would have played in their cards million times better if they managed to lose and save their face. Which is hard to do, if you call the voters "deplorables". She will never forgive herself. I hope.
Brexiteers were called "uninformed" or ignorant, and all hell broke loose on EF. I have never seen more bile thrown in the direction of those who dared to point out the mass manipulation at the time. As if it was, really, really personal!!! Some of the people that appreciate...grace now. lol. What's different this time around? Are the Americans some Anglo-trash that doesn't deserve any courtesy? Arguing ad nauseam about an elected president of a foreign country is....weird. He's vulgar, he's this or that. I can agree on some of those points. As far as his actions go, I'm still waiting to "judge"* the man by his deeds, not words.
*as if that would count anyway...so yeah, for me personally not the discussion itself is obsolete, but being carried away in this environment. It's totally compromised here. Hope not all his opponents are cut from the same material.
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