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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

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Are you living under a rock?


You must be if you think anything will come of this dog and pony show, try and pay attention, NK have been desparate to be taken seriously, they got the attention they crave because nukes, now Spanky says they are going to give up nukes 'very soon'. Why would they do this?


This is just more Spanky bull, pretty slow learner if you are still falling for it.


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Indeed, it risks elevating Trump to GOAT status as POTUS!

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By being the first president to legitimise the NK regime.

Bravo Don, bravo.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

No need to be rude in a thread about a somewhat-rude prez.


;-)


I think the whole situation is beyond surreal.


Of course, China is the real winner here, for now.


They can keep their puppet in NK and don't have to worry about a war.


If KYU can keep his people happy (and fed), they can move troops off the border to "other places of interest" (we all know that China is about as interested in NK as Trump is in Costa Rica).


Clearly, Kim had excellent counseling from his Chinese overlords.
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By being the first president to legitimise the NK regime.

Bravo Don, bravo.
But is this OK in your book?

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You must be if you think anything will come of this dog and pony show...
I know EXACTLY what's coming

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By being the first president to legitimise the NK regime.

Bravo Don, bravo.



To be fair, that was long overdue.


Neither the state itself nor its current regime is going to go away any time soon and acknowledging that fact will eventually help to strengthen the relationship between NK and SK (and the US).



However insane, incoherent and removed from reality Trump really is, I can at least applaud him for this very reality-based conclusion that none of his (mostly saner and more coherent) predecessors felt he could walk on.



Trump does have the advantage of a congress that is probably going to sign whatever the delegations have hammered out.
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By being the first president to legitimise the NK regime.

Bravo Don, bravo.
I don't care for Trump either way, but this is probably the most significant achievement he has made (and probably ever will make) in office. N.Korea was developing nukes and rockets at a fairly rapid pace and threatening world security. Now they are sitting down and talking about peace and de-nuclearization. Spin it whatever way you want it, but I'm seeing this as a hugely positive thing.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

"great beaches"



https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...-great-beaches

Is that what this is all about? DT paying off Kim for the guarantee of building Trumps resorts in 'DPRK' to serve the Chinese middle class?

I wouldn't be surprised...
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I don't care for Trump either way, but this is probably the most significant achievement he has made (and probably ever will make) in office. N.Korea was developing nukes and rockets at a fairly rapid pace and threatening world security. Now they are sitting down and talking about peace and de-nuclearization. Spin it whatever way you want it, but I'm seeing this as a hugely positive thing.
There's no spin involved. History is a pretty good predictor of the future. Anybody who believes that the DPRK's nuclear program is over and there will be no more nukes north of the contested border is placing their faith way too early in a rudimentary, loose agreement with no historical basis for longevity.

Here's a précis of that history.
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"great beaches"



https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...-great-beaches

Is that what this is all about? DT paying off Kim for the guarantee of building Trumps resorts in 'DPRK' to serve the Chinese middle class?

I wouldn't be surprised...



The beaches are great, reportedly.

But mostly because of the lack of tourists.

Like most places on earth were before the advent of mass-tourism...
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There's no spin involved. History is a pretty good predictor of the future. Anybody who believes that the DPRK's nuclear program is over and there will be no more nukes north of the contested border is placing their faith way too early in a rudimentary, loose agreement with no historical basis for longevity.

Here's a précis of that history.
I don't think anyone (even Trump) beleives that N.Korea is 100% done with nukes. I said that sitting down and talking about de-nuclearization is better than not talking and continuing to build rockets and threatening other countries.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

This is the weirdest thing. Has nobody ever told them not to talk in the third person about someone present?!?
Not addressing the person directly at all?

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/p...c-lights-watch
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Did anyone actually read the agreed points?

They don't mention NK denuclearising until the USA and the rest of the world does.

Jesus, have a read sheeple.
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Did anyone actually read the agreed points?

They don't mention NK denuclearising until the USA and the rest of the world does.

Jesus, have a read sheeple.
Could you link the agreed points?
I'm getting dizzy trying to google actual information on this summit.
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Old 12.06.2018, 14:50
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They don't mention NK denuclearising until the USA and the rest of the world does.

Jesus, have a read sheeple.
The statement doesn't seem to say anything about the USA/rest of world denuclearizing.

Trump and Kim's joint statement

"3. Reaffirming the April 27, 2018 Panmunjom Declaration, the DPRK commits to work towards complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula."

Nor does the Panmunjom Declaration seem to say that.

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Old 12.06.2018, 14:59
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I know EXACTLY what's coming

Bookies

Considering none of those other potential candidates have even declared for 2020 yet, of course he is going to have the best odds.
Surely you can do better than that?
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Bookies

Considering none of those other potential candidates have even declared for 2020 yet, of course he is going to have the best odds.
Surely you can do better than that?
I remember before the Brexit referendum people were sagely predicting that bookies "very rarely got it wrong" and that Remain would, according to the over-riding odds, win out.



Bookies were also predicting the demise of the Beckham marriage a few days ago, too...
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The statement doesn't seem to say anything about the USA/rest of world denuclearizing.

Trump and Kim's joint statement

"3. Reaffirming the April 27, 2018 Panmunjom Declaration, the DPRK commits to work towards complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula."

Nor does the Panmunjom Declaration seem to say that.

The last point of the Panmunjom Declaration is this...

South and North Korea confirmed the common goal of realizing, through complete denuclearization, a nuclear-free Korean Peninsula, South and North Korea shared the view that the measures being initiated by North Korea are very meaningful and crucial for the denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula and agreed to carry out their respective roles and responsibilities in this regard. South and North Korea agreed to actively seek the support and cooperation of the international community for the denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula.

This point is being assumed to mean worldwide denuclearization, and is certainly vague enough to be interpreted this way, should it suit Kim.
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The statement doesn't seem to say anything about the USA/rest of world denuclearizing.

Trump and Kim's joint statement

"3. Reaffirming the April 27, 2018 Panmunjom Declaration, the DPRK commits to work towards complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula."

Kim has stopped the US war threats without actually making any specific commitments. Trump has not said anything about lifting sanctions.
Pompeo is responsible for negotiation of next steps with a yet to be named N. Korean official.

Remarkable lack of comments from world leaders!

Wait and see is the general view!
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We've had this discussion before. Bookies, don't always get it right, but they do more often than not which is why they make the money they do. If you're anti-Trump (basically everyone on here) than I'd be a little concerned at odds of 6/4.
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