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Old 19.06.2018, 16:52
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

More than 600 members and leaders of the United Methodist Church signed on to a letter Monday condemning Attorney General Jeff Sessions for the Trump administration's policy of separating migrant parents and children at the U.S. border.

They accuse Sessions of child abuse, immorality, racial discrimination and dissemination of doctrines contrary to the standards of the doctrine of the United Methodist Church.

They note in the letter that Sessions is a member of Ashland Place United Methodist Church, in Mobile, Ala.

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U.S. Attorney General Jeff Sessions, speaking last week in Fort Wayne, Ind., cited a Bible passage from Romans in his defense of the Trump administration’s policy of separating parents and children at the border.
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Old 19.06.2018, 16:56
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Indeed. And Sessions also fails to see any similarity between his administration's forced separation of adults and children, and the Nazis' treatment of the Jews in pre-WWII Germany. In the latter case, says Sessions, "they were keeping the Jews from leaving the country.”

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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

This is the apparent motivation:

https://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/statu...52109582839808
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Old 19.06.2018, 17:20
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

She provided no evidence plus no actual numbers!

I mean if there were 2 cases last year and 6 cases this year that is is also a 300% increase.

Around half a million are arrested at the border each year on average according to Katie Waldman, a spokeswoman for Nielsen.
Nielsen earlier this year claimed they had found hundreds of cases of fraud among migrants traveling with children who are not their own. There was no detail about over how long a time period or why they were traveling with children who are not their own.
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Old 19.06.2018, 20:36
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

So Trump took over Germany. That was the first silent action he took, I didn't even notice. When did it happen exactly, do we need to call in the army?
Gonna be difficult to plant potatos on the Bellevueplatz this time. I knew it was a shitty idea to cover it with concrete.

Or why is everybody talking crime rate, asylum-seekers in Germany on this thread?
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Old 19.06.2018, 23:16
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Trump administration officials have announced that they are pulling the U.S. out of the United Nations Human Rights Council.

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Logical step for Trump
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Old 19.06.2018, 23:42
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Trump administration officials have announced that they are pulling the U.S. out of the United Nations Human Rights Council.

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Logical step for Trump
Well, even under Obama, the track-record wasn't that great.

All the drone-strikes, the targeted assassinations and the unwillingness to sign various conventions and subject itself to various international courts...the list is pretty long. Not counting the capital punishment and the highest incarceration-rate of any nation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...rceration_rate - roughly 50% more than the Russian Federation, the country most comparable by size and population - it may even be more than North Korea, which is quite an impressive achievement).

Again, Trump is at least consequent enough to remove all the fake lipstick that past administrations have been trying to put on the pig that is the US human rights track record.

Personally, I think the times of free expression, free speech and human rights are coming to an end. Not today, not tomorrow. But we'll live to see it.
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Old 20.06.2018, 00:34
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Well, even under Obama, the track-record wasn't that great.

All the drone-strikes, the targeted assassinations and the unwillingness to sign various conventions and subject itself to various international courts...the list is pretty long. Not counting the capital punishment and the highest incarceration-rate of any nation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...rceration_rate - roughly 50% more than the Russian Federation, the country most comparable by size and population - it may even be more than North Korea, which is quite an impressive achievement).

Again, Trump is at least consequent enough to remove all the fake lipstick that past administrations have been trying to put on the pig that is the US human rights track record.

Personally, I think the times of free expression, free speech and human rights are coming to an end. Not today, not tomorrow. But we'll live to see it.
Good to know Trump is not attempting to improve the US human rights situation
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

I was so surprised to know how many children in Mexico/USA border are "arrested" without their parents! Just because their parents have committed a crime under American immigration laws! And more absurd: Trump declares it's a law of ancient government, so he just enforces the law.

That logical situation demonstrates how US exit of the United Nations Human Rights Council isn't amazing.
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Trump administration officials have announced that they are pulling the U.S. out of the United Nations Human Rights Council.

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Logical step for Trump
Let's have a look at some of the other members of the United Nations Human Rights Council:

Saudi Arabia
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What great company and what a great advert for human rights
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But this link contains the same answer that you already posted in an earlier BBC link?

“Locals are reported less for crimes than strangers because people feel more threatened by strangers.”

According to your earlier link "The researchers also said that migrants were twice as likely to be reported to police for alleged violent crimes as German nationals."

You really need to read the content of your links, not just the headlines.

In an earlier report they said that meant any comparison of crime rates of migrants versus citizens was unreliable
Whilst 2017 saw a drop in overall crime, the levels of violent crime are still higher than it was in 2014. And rape and sexual offenses have also increased.



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Good to know Trump is not attempting to improve the US human rights situation



It's not a an issue you can attract domestic voters with.
And that is all that counts in the sold-out, gerrymandered and subverted by oligarchs political system that US politics has become.

Well, it's like that everywhere - but the US being the US, it's the worst offender, farthest down the rabbit-hole contender of the developed world with a thin layer of democracy sprinkled on top.




The vast majority of people in the US care about their jobs, their accumulated debt, Netflix and not going bankrupt if they or a family member need(s) to visit the ER.


We'll see how it ends. Most likely, we'll not like the outcome at all. But we'll see it.


As Goethe so famously said: "You can say you've been there when history was made".
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Whilst 2017 saw a drop in overall crime, the levels of violent crime are still higher than it was in 2014. And rape and sexual offenses have also increased.



Violent crime in 2017 was up 0.2% on 2016 and 4.4% on 2014. By how much did the population (yes, including all those awful immigrants!) as a whole grow over that period? I'd be surprised if the change from 2016 to 2017 were statistically significant, and as a percentage of the population, the rate has probably decreased!

Did you notice that little "x" opposite "rape and sexual coercion"? Seems to me that you're clutching at straws without making any attempt to understand the figures presented in the table.
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Let's have a look at some of the other members of the United Nations Human Rights Council:

Saudi Arabia
China
Pakistan
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Cuba
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What great company and what a great advert for human rights
Agreed. That's terrible company. But is it then the best course of action to abandon the international management of human rights to that group of countries?

If that means that the US will now bow out of every international issue and stop forcing itself down the throat of every other country as "the world's policeman", then maybe there's a silver lining to this decision.
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Just because their parents have committed a crime under American immigration laws!
Seeking asylum is not a crime under US immigration law.

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parties to the 1951 Refugee Convention, such as the United States, are prohibited from penalizing asylum seekers “on account of their illegal entry or presence”—a protection created following World War II when many states treated refugees as “illegal entrants.” Today, under both international and U.S. law, those fearing persecution in their home country don’t need approval to seek asylum there.
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Violent crime in 2017 was up 0.2% on 2016 and 4.4% on 2014. By how much did the population (yes, including all those awful immigrants!) as a whole grow over that period? I'd be surprised if the change from 2016 to 2017 were statistically significant, and as a percentage of the population, the rate has probably decreased!

Did you notice that little "x" opposite "rape and sexual coercion"? Seems to me that you're clutching at straws without making any attempt to understand the figures presented in the table.
I'll also add a couple of quotes from the DW article I linked to earlier...:

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the figures show that more crimes are committed when there are more people in the country
(a no-brainer you would think but seems Loz can't quite get his head round that one)

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Studies have shown that Syrian and Iraqi refugees tend to commit fewer crimes because they don't want to spoil their chances of obtaining legal permission to stay in Germany
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Whilst 2017 saw a drop in overall crime, the levels of violent crime are still higher than it was in 2014. And rape and sexual offenses have also increased.



Your original link said crime by immigrants rose by 90%.
Now thanks to your detailed table we see at the same time illegal border crossing crime increased by 210%; case closed!
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Seeking asylum is not a crime under US immigration law.

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Except Sessions has unilaterally redefined "persecution"

Sessions Excludes Domestic, Gang Violence From Asylum Claims

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Violent crime in 2017 was up 0.2% on 2016 and 4.4% on 2014. By how much did the population (yes, including all those awful immigrants!) as a whole grow over that period? I'd be surprised if the change from 2016 to 2017 were statistically significant, and as a percentage of the population, the rate has probably decreased!
Germany's population increased by about 2% since 2014. Violent crime increased by 4.4%. Who made up the majority of the population increase?
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