Will Trump be a Good President? - Page 680

bowlie · #**13581** 20.06.2018, 20:09

	Quote:	kriss kross
	How about the parents stop committing the crime?

They are not committing a crime by seeking asylum.

kriss kross · #**13582** 20.06.2018, 20:10

	Quote:	reids
	"womp womp" says all you need to know about the character and moral fibre of Spanky supporters. Oh America, what have you become? "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free"* *as long as they aren't too Hispanic looking

So you advocate for open borders for anyone who wants to live in the US?

kriss kross · #**13583** 20.06.2018, 20:12

	Quote:	bowlie
	They are not committing a crime by seeking asylum.

By illegally entering the country they are committing a crime.

bowlie · #**13584** 20.06.2018, 21:00

	Quote:	kriss kross
	By illegally entering the country they are committing a crime.

Check your facts please. International treaties and US law do not agree with you.

curley · #**13585** 20.06.2018, 21:05

	Quote:	bowlie
	From the Washington Post. According to an analysis by The Post’s Fact Checker through the end of May, Trump had made 3,251 false or misleading claims in 497 days — an average of 6.5 such claims per day of his presidency. https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...=.5de78523cfb9

Yeah, it's liking playing the lotto: Very difficult to get it right.

kriss kross · #**13586** 20.06.2018, 21:06

	Quote:	bowlie
	Check your facts please. International treaties and US law do not agree with you.

Source?

Everything I see states that it is a crime to illegally enter the country.

marton · #**13587** 20.06.2018, 21:31

The Senate on Wednesday narrowly rejected President Trump's plan to clawback roughly $15 billion in spending approved by Congress earlier this year.

The vote is a blow to conservatives and the White House, who pushed the package in response to backlash from the GOP base over a mammoth spending package passed in March.

It was also controversial, with Democrats and some Republicans questioning the wisdom of taking steps to unwind a deal between the parties on spending earlier this year.

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Trump has had little luck so far in getting Congress to support his ideas! Biggest issues so far for him are lack of funding for the Wall and infrastructure then there is the failed repeal of Obamacare.
There was also his promise to eliminate federal debt in 8 years, the Congressional Budget Office has forecast federal debt increased by $9 trillion in 8 years.

marton · #**13588** 20.06.2018, 21:35

	Quote:	kriss kross
	By illegally entering the country they are committing a crime.

Where is amogles when you need him?

See this post

lewton · #**13589** 20.06.2018, 21:36

Didn't he manage to limit funding for Obamacare?

marton · #**13590** 20.06.2018, 21:44

Hard to read these runes! Is Cohen positioning himself to dump on Trump?

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	President Trump's former personal attorney, Michael Cohen, has reportedly resigned from his position as deputy finance chair on the Republican National Committee's (RNC) finance committee. Cohen also slammed President Trump's "zero tolerance" policy that separates families at the U.S.-Mexico border. "As the son of a Polish holocaust survivor, the images and sounds of this family separation policy is heart wrenching,” Cohen wrote.

Source

Meanwhile

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	Religious leaders and former judges living in DC filed a complaint on Wednesday asking the Washington D.C. Alcoholic Beverage Control Board to revoke the Trump International Hotel’s liquor license because of President Trump’s character. The complaint argues that a D.C. liquor license can be suspended or revoked if the “true and actual owner" of an establishment is not a person of "good character." The group lists lies the president has told, sexual assault accusations against Trump and alleged racist acts. They also call out Trump for his “failure to abide by the law and to repudiate associations with known criminals.”

Source

LOL! I doubt the Alcoholic Beverage Control Board will take the complaint seriously, but you never know

reids · #**13591** 20.06.2018, 21:45

	Quote:	kriss kross
	So you advocate for open borders for anyone who wants to live in the US?

a little clue, the options are not

1. Dehumanise people
2. Open borders for everyone

marton · #**13592** 20.06.2018, 21:50

	Quote:	lewton
	Didn't he manage to limit funding for Obamacare?

Strangely the opposite; by causing prices to rise so the people eligible for subsidies now get more funding

marton · #**13593** 20.06.2018, 21:53

How quickly things change in Trump's world!

Two quotes from today

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	Scaramucci 'very proud' of Trump decision to end family separations

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	White House budget director Mick Mulvaney defended the Trump administration’s controversial “zero tolerance” immigration policy that has led to the separation of thousands of migrant children from their parents.

They need to plug the brains of senior white house people into some sort of instant update network so they can stay on message

kriss kross · #**13594** 20.06.2018, 22:11

	Quote:	reids
	a little clue, the options are not 1. Dehumanise people 2. Open borders for everyone

Even if you let these particular people all stay, you will have more and more coming (and by 'rewarding' them you may be encouraging more)

Unless you will let them all in, eventually you will have to protect your border and try and dissuade more from entering. Can you really not see that?

#**13595** 20.06.2018, 22:17

	Quote:	kriss kross
	Even if you let these particular people all stay, you will have more and more coming (and by 'rewarding' them you may be encouraging more) Unless you will let them all in, eventually you will have to protect your border and try and dissuade more from entering. Can you really not see that?

They don't all want to come in. It might be surprising, but not everyone wants to give up a nice cushty life in their home country, with friends and family and people who speak their language, to move to some project in an overtly racist state of the US to live on $3 a week.

#**13596** 20.06.2018, 22:21

Good news, Trump has backed down...

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...xecutive-order

Winning.

amogles · #**13597** 20.06.2018, 22:37

	Quote:	marton
	Where is amogles when you need him? See this post

Interesting that back there you weee the one arguing that border crossing is a crime and I pointed out to you that elsewjere you were arguing the exact opposite.

So I guess it is a crime when it suits you and it's isn't when it suits you.

Maybe you should apply for a job in the White House. I understand Trump likes people like that.

curley · #**13598** 20.06.2018, 22:41

	Quote:
	Good news, Trump has backed down... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...xecutive-order Winning.

"In a little while ....."

3Wishes · #**13599** 20.06.2018, 22:46

	Quote:
	Good news, Trump has backed down... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...xecutive-order Winning.

Only a little bit. He's said that families should not be separated, but they can still be detained as a group.

In terms of illegal or not, I think there's a bit of hair-splitting going on but it is important and it's getting lost in all the hype.

It's perfectly legal to seek asylum at an official border station. However if a person crosses the border without a U.S. passport, a visa, or other official permission to enter the country, that bit is illegal. Many of the families that have been separated entered the country illegally and then sought asylum. The asylum claim is legal. The method of entering the country is not.

So why don't they all just come to the border stations and line up like they're supposed to? Because the paperwork is deliberately tough and the wait is long. It seems easier to take your chances and hope for leniency.

Good article on Vox here: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...asylum-illegal

#**13600** 20.06.2018, 22:49

	Quote:	3Wishes
	Only a little bit. He's said that families should not be separated, but they can still be detained as a group. In terms of illegal or not, I think there's a bit of hair-splitting going on but it is important and it's getting lost in all the hype. It's perfectly legal to seek asylum at an official border station. However if a person crosses the border without a U.S. passport, a visa, or other official permission to enter the country, that bit is illegal. Many of the families that have been separated entered the country illegally and then sought asylum. The asylum claim is legal. The method of entering the country is not. So why don't they all just come to the border stations and line up like they're supposed to? Because the paperwork is deliberately tough and the wait is long. It seems easier to take your chances and hope for leniency. Good article on Vox here: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...asylum-illegal

Isn't that because USA has illegally (in international terms) closed many of the border posts, forcing the asylum seekers to cross "illegally"?