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Old 20.06.2018, 21:51
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Interesting that back there you weee the one arguing that border crossing is a crime and I pointed out to you that elsewjere you were arguing the exact opposite.

So I guess it is a crime when it suits you and it's isn't when it suits you.

Maybe you should apply for a job in the White House. I understand Trump likes people like that.
I think the point Marton was making is that in different countries, different laws apply?

In America, it is a misdemeanour (not a crime) to do so, in Germany, who knows? (many people on here i am sure)
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Old 20.06.2018, 21:56
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In America, it is a misdemeanour (not a crime) to do so, in Germany, who knows? (many people on here i am sure)
FYI a misdemeanor is a crime in the USA. Just not a serious one. Not all countries use the same distinction.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misdemeanor

http://www.alllaw.com/articles/nolo/...illegally.html
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Should anyone want to do anything concrete,

https://www.bustle.com/p/12-immigran...policy-9483834

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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

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They don't all want to come in. It might be surprising, but not everyone wants to give up a nice cushty life in their home country, with friends and family and people who speak their language, to move to some project in an overtly racist state of the US to live on $3 a week.
But of those that do wish to enter the US and are willing to do so illegally, surely you realise that you can't let them all in?

Even if you play the bleeding heart and let all these people in, what about the next group? And the next?

Unless you plan to let them all in, eventually you will need to start enforcing border control and dissuade more from entering.
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Old 20.06.2018, 22:26
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Only a little bit. He's said that families should not be separated, but they can still be detained as a group.

In terms of illegal or not, I think there's a bit of hair-splitting going on but it is important and it's getting lost in all the hype.

It's perfectly legal to seek asylum at an official border station. However if a person crosses the border without a U.S. passport, a visa, or other official permission to enter the country, that bit is illegal. Many of the families that have been separated entered the country illegally and then sought asylum. The asylum claim is legal. The method of entering the country is not.

So why don't they all just come to the border stations and line up like they're supposed to? Because the paperwork is deliberately tough and the wait is long. It seems easier to take your chances and hope for leniency.

Good article on Vox here: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...asylum-illegal
Possibly Trump's new order may be unconstitutional!

The White House may run into legal difficulties if the executive order requires families to be held intact together indefinitely since a federal consent decree known as the Flores settlement says children must be released after 20 days.
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Old 20.06.2018, 22:41
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Interesting that back there you weee the one arguing that border crossing is a crime and I pointed out to you that elsewjere you were arguing the exact opposite.

So I guess it is a crime when it suits you and it's isn't when it suits you.

Maybe you should apply for a job in the White House. I understand Trump likes people like that.
According to 3Wishes a misdemeanour is a crime in the USA.
According to section 12 of the German Criminal Code a misdemeanour is also a crime in Germany.

No doubt you have sources and links to clarify what you are on about if you should think it is really worth pursuing.

If I were you I would keep my current job
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[UN quote proclaiming "a child shall not be separated from his or her parents against their will."]
How is that even relevant? By that logic you can't incarcerate murderers who are parents.
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Old 20.06.2018, 23:10
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How is that even relevant? By that logic you can't incarcerate murderers who are parents.
You can incarcerate murderers but with their children!
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Old 20.06.2018, 23:35
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Makes no sense. Your evidence?
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Old 21.06.2018, 00:12
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Makes no sense. Your evidence?
Sure, Roughly half the world's countries allow incarcerated women to live with their young children, look here or here or here or here.
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Old 21.06.2018, 00:32
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Possibly Trump's new order may be unconstitutional!

The White House may run into legal difficulties if the executive order requires families to be held intact together indefinitely since a federal consent decree known as the Flores settlement says children must be released after 20 days.
Senior Justice Department official Gene Hamilton confirmed on Wednesday that the government can only detain families together for “up to 20 days" after President Trump signed an executive order ending the separation of parents from their children at the border.

How this will mesh with the reality that there is a huge backlog of immigration cases and therefore families have to wait years for their day in court nobody knows.

Source

Anyway this all takes away from the main point that this is a huge reversal for Trump; a man who does not do "reversals"

It will weaken him and encourage people to seek reversals in other areas.
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Old 21.06.2018, 07:30
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

You'll like this.

"A hotel owned by US President Donald Trump should have its liquor licence revoked, a group of religious leaders and judges say.

The group filed a complaint to the Alcoholic Beverage Control Board (ABC) saying the Trump International Hotel in Washington DC should lose its license due to Mr Trump's "egregious conduct".

Local laws say only people "of good character" can hold a liquor licence.

The president, the complaint alleges, "is not a person of good character".

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44557186
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Senior Justice Department official Gene Hamilton confirmed on Wednesday that the government can only detain families together for “up to 20 days" after President Trump signed an executive order ending the separation of parents from their children at the border.

How this will mesh with the reality that there is a huge backlog of immigration cases and therefore families have to wait years for their day in court nobody knows.

Source

Anyway this all takes away from the main point that this is a huge reversal for Trump; a man who does not do "reversals"

It will weaken him and encourage people to seek reversals in other areas.
The hypocrit that Trump is. He's signed an order now because he loves families. A week ago he did not care a shit about families. He's just Looking to keep the votes of his evangelical base.
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"A hotel owned by US President Donald Trump should have its liquor licence revoked, a group of religious leaders and judges say.

The group filed a complaint to the Alcoholic Beverage Control Board (ABC) saying the Trump International Hotel in Washington DC should lose its license due to Mr Trump's "egregious conduct".

Local laws say only people "of good character" can hold a liquor licence.

The president, the complaint alleges, "is not a person of good character".

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44557186
At which point in his previous 72 years did the Control Board think he was of good character?
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

More curious as how this relates to Trump directly. Not up on liquor laws in the States, but in the UK iirc (not frequenting pubs that often) it's usually the actual person working the bar that has to have the licence, the bar manager or some such even if the bar is in an hotel. So is Trump serving drinks on the side after Presidential hours?
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More curious as how this relates to Trump directly. Not up on liquor laws in the States, but in the UK iirc (not frequenting pubs that often) it's usually the actual person working the bar that has to have the licence, the bar manager or some such even if the bar is in an hotel. So is Trump serving drinks on the side after Presidential hours?
I think you are maybe conflating two things in the UK. In the UK, if you are a bar, for example, you will need a Premises License for the bar to be able to sell alcohol, and you/your staff will need a Personal License to be able to physically exchange alcohol for cash with customers.

If I remember rightly, in England (as NI/Sco have slightly different rules), you can get away with this in larger bars if the "shift leader" / "bar manager" is on site and has the license - then there isn't there isn't an obligation for all staff to have a license, just be over 18. This is knowledge from way back when (my uni days!), so I expect it might have changed since!
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You'll like this.

"A hotel owned by US President Donald Trump should have its liquor licence revoked, a group of religious leaders and judges say.

The group filed a complaint to the Alcoholic Beverage Control Board (ABC) saying the Trump International Hotel in Washington DC should lose its license due to Mr Trump's "egregious conduct".

Local laws say only people "of good character" can hold a liquor licence.

The president, the complaint alleges, "is not a person of good character".

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44557186
I'm still surprised that some people just can't handle the outcome of a democratic process. This is just so pathetic.
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So after 18 months Trump's approval rating is about the same as Obama's and Clinton's. Only difference is that Trump's approval is on a positive trajectory

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So after 18 months Trump's approval rating is about the same as Obama's and Clinton's. Only difference is that Trump's approval is on a positive trajectory

Nope.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...roval-ratings/

The latest Gallup poll (which i presume you are quoting) conveniently ends 4 days ago, and doesn't therefore contain the backlash from the abduction of kids.

If you look at the weighted, aggregated polls at this time of their respective presidencies:
Barry is on 46.6% approval, Don on 42.5;
Barry has 46.9% disapproval, Don 51.4%;
Net approval therefore has Barry at -0.4% and Don at -8.9%

Damned facts again.
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I'm still surprised that some people just can't handle the outcome of a democratic process. This is just so pathetic.
Trump is one of those who can't handle the outcome of a democratic process and so keeps attacking Hillary and Obama
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