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But of those that do wish to enter the US and are willing to do so illegally, surely you realise that you can't let them all in?

Even if you play the bleeding heart and let all these people in, what about the next group? And the next?

Unless you plan to let them all in, eventually you will need to start enforcing border control and dissuade more from entering.


This is a straw man argument
'You don't need to dehumanise people and terrorise children'
'So you want to let them all in?'


can the (self proclaimed) 'greatest country in the world' not secure their borders without brutalising children, is that really what you think? theres no other option?
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Old 21.06.2018, 09:31
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Fox News was the only cable network to show Trump's "campaign" rally in Minnesota live, is that usual? Anyway I suppose he does not want to appear on fake news networks?

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The number of non-Hispanic white people in the United States decreased for the first time in the nation’s history between 2015 and 2016 now down to 60% of the population, according to new figures released Thursday by the U.S. Census Bureau.

Minority populations are growing much faster, hastening a demographic shift that has been decades in the making.
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For those with long memories "oo-er-missus"!
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Old 21.06.2018, 09:36
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Turkey's Ministry of Economy said Thursday that it's imposing tariffs worth $267 million on US goods, targeting items such as coal, paper, walnuts, tobacco, rice, whiskey and cars.

US was Turkey's largest export market for steel and Turkey is the world's eighth largest steel exporter.

Actually I am surprised more countries did not target coal to poke Trump in the eye !
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Old 21.06.2018, 09:38
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Nope.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...roval-ratings/

The latest Gallup poll (which i presume you are quoting) conveniently ends 4 days ago, and doesn't therefore contain the backlash from the abduction of kids.

If you look at the weighted, aggregated polls at this time of their respective presidencies:
Barry is on 46.6% approval, Don on 42.5;
Barry has 46.9% disapproval, Don 51.4%;
Net approval therefore has Barry at -0.4% and Don at -8.9%

Damned facts again.
Weighted aggregated polls is not as important as the trend nor the latest polling. In the end, the only poll that matters is the one on polling day. Obama started with a high approval rating and managed to significantly reduce it over his first 18 months. Trump started with a low approval rating which over the last 12 months has slowly been increasing.
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Weighted aggregated polls is not as important as the trend nor the latest polling. In the end, the only poll that matters is the one on polling day. Obama started with a high approval rating and managed to significantly reduce it over his first 18 months. Trump started with a low approval rating which over the last 12 months has slowly been increasing.
So why did you try to use an old poll as significance of anything then?

Also, your assertion is simply not true. Trump started out with a 45.5% approval rating which is now down at 42.5%.

Honestly, always having to correct you is genuinely boring, could you please look at some stats before pumping out falsehoods. You are doing EXACTLY what Trump does and it isn't helping to advance your case or helping anyone on the thread.
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So why did you try to use an old poll as significance of anything then?

Also, your assertion is simply not true. Trump started out with a 45.5% approval rating which is now down at 42.5%.

Honestly, always having to correct you is genuinely boring, could you please look at some stats before pumping out falsehoods. You are doing EXACTLY what Trump does and it isn't helping to advance your case or helping anyone on the thread.
I don't think you understand how trends work. How about you go and do some research, read what I wrote, and then come back when you know what you're talking about.
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Old 21.06.2018, 10:16
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Loz, find a statistician and ask them for some basic lessons so you can avoid making stupid, uninformed statements in public.

Even without applying any analysis, a simple eyeballing of the graph you supplied shows a basically flat line for Trump's approval. Not an inspirational, uplifting, positive trend.

Clearly, you've bought into Trump's dogma: he who shouts loudest and lies most outrageously, wins.
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Loz, find a statistician and ask them for some basic lessons so you can avoid making stupid, uninformed statements in public.

Even without applying any analysis, a simple eyeballing of the graph you supplied shows a basically flat line for Trump's approval. Not an inspirational, uplifting, positive trend.

Clearly, you've bought into Trump's dogma: he who shouts loudest and lies most outrageously, wins.
For the past 10 months it's been slowly increasing which is what I wrote. (OK I wrote 12 but the point is still valid). You're the one that said "inspirational, uplifting trend", not me. Actually, it's you coming out with the Trumpisms by making up words that I've not said.
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This is a straw man argument
'You don't need to dehumanise people and terrorise children'
'So you want to let them all in?'


can the (self proclaimed) 'greatest country in the world' not secure their borders without brutalising children, is that really what you think? theres no other option?
But Trump now signed an executive order to stop the separation of children and parents.

So what's the problem, or what should be done differently?
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Old 21.06.2018, 10:31
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So after 18 months Trump's approval rating is about the same as Obama's and Clinton's. Only difference is that Trump's approval is on a positive trajectory
As you quoted Gallup to support you without any link!
Here is the Gallup report on Trump from June 18th, 2018.

1. President Donald Trump's job approval rating averaged 45% in Gallup polling last week, tying his personal high. His previous 45% rating occurred in the first week after he was inaugurated as president. (So the trend is flat)

2. While high for Trump, his 45% job approval rating last week is below the historical average of 53% for all presidents in Gallup polling since 1945. Throughout his term, Trump's job approval ratings have ranked well below those of other presidents at similar points in their presidencies.

3. Comparison with other presidents during June in their second years in office. Barack Obama (46%), Bill Clinton (46%), Ronald Reagan (45%), Jimmy Carter (43%), Dwight Eisenhower (62%), John Kennedy (70%), Richard Nixon (55%), George H.W. Bush (68%) and George W. Bush (73%).

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As you quoted Gallup to support you without any link!
Here is the Gallup report on Trump from June 18th, 2018.

1. President Donald Trump's job approval rating averaged 45% in Gallup polling last week, tying his personal high. His previous 45% rating occurred in the first week after he was inaugurated as president. (So the trend is flat)

2. While high for Trump, his 45% job approval rating last week is below the historical average of 53% for all presidents in Gallup polling since 1945. Throughout his term, Trump's job approval ratings have ranked well below those of other presidents at similar points in their presidencies.

3. Comparison with other presidents during June in their second years in office. Barack Obama (46%), Bill Clinton (46%), Ronald Reagan (45%), Jimmy Carter (43%), Dwight Eisenhower (62%), John Kennedy (70%), Richard Nixon (55%), George H.W. Bush (68%) and George W. Bush (73%).

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1) Where did I quote a Gallup poll? I posted chart showing approval rating after 18 months where the source was Gallup
2) Where have I mentioned a trend over 18 months?
3) Where have I mentioned job approval ratings?
4) Comparisons with other presidents - I said "about the same as Obama's and Clinton's", which you've just confirmed. Thank you.
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Old 21.06.2018, 10:39
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For the past 10 months it's been slowly increasing which is what I wrote. (OK I wrote 12 but the point is still valid). You're the one that said "inspirational, uplifting trend", not me. Actually, it's you coming out with the Trumpisms by making up words that I've not said.
You wrote "Trump started with a low approval rating which over the last 12 months has slowly been increasing." which is not true! His start approval rating has not increased!

According to your source Gallup he started at 45% and is now back at 45%, you must have some other definition of "increasing".
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As you quoted Gallup to support you without any link!
Here is the Gallup report on Trump from June 18th, 2018.

1. President Donald Trump's job approval rating averaged 45% in Gallup polling last week, tying his personal high. His previous 45% rating occurred in the first week after he was inaugurated as president. (So the trend is flat)

2. While high for Trump, his 45% job approval rating last week is below the historical average of 53% for all presidents in Gallup polling since 1945. Throughout his term, Trump's job approval ratings have ranked well below those of other presidents at similar points in their presidencies.

3. Comparison with other presidents during June in their second years in office. Barack Obama (46%), Bill Clinton (46%), Ronald Reagan (45%), Jimmy Carter (43%), Dwight Eisenhower (62%), John Kennedy (70%), Richard Nixon (55%), George H.W. Bush (68%) and George W. Bush (73%).

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Yes Marton, but if you move the goalposts enough, you'll see the trend from last thursday afternoon is definitely upwards and his poll ratings increase is 820% steeper than it was between 13:45 and 14:12 on the 3rd of April.
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You wrote "Trump started with a low approval rating which over the last 12 months has slowly been increasing." which is not true! His start approval rating has not increased!

According to your source Gallup he started at 45% and is now back at 45%, you must have some other definition of "increasing".
Read in relation to previous sentence, I was comparing starting positions to Obama.
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1) Where did I quote a Gallup poll? I posted chart showing approval rating after 18 months where the source was Gallup
Are you being serious? Genuinely?
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Read in relation to previous sentence, I was comparing starting positions to Obama.
You are seriously confusing. Are you saying that Obama started with an approval rating of less than 46%? Source???? Look at the graph that you posted!

You REALLY need to learn how to read a graph and understand statistics!
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1) Where did I quote a Gallup poll? I posted chart showing approval rating after 18 months where the source was Gallup. (I did not mention a Gallup poll either, I posted your source was Gallup which you confirm)

2) Where have I mentioned a trend over 18 months? (here "So after 18 months Trump's approval rating is about the same as Obama's and Clinton's. Only difference is that Trump's approval is on a positive trajectory")

3) Where have I mentioned job approval ratings? (you posted a chart labelled "Approval ratings... Job Approval %")
4) Comparisons with other presidents - I said "about the same as Obama's and Clinton's", which you've just confirmed. Thank you.
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Another big story that nobody is paying attention to is the IG report where there is strong suggestion that the top brass at the FBI was anti-Trump and seemingly gave Hillary a free pass for a crime that someone else got a jail sentence for.
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Trump is one of those who can't handle the outcome of a democratic process and so keeps attacking Hillary and Obama
This post must be a joke, right? Trying to impeach a duly elected candidate versus criticizing shady practices; i wonder which side can't handle what.
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Another big story that nobody is paying attention to is the IG report where there is strong suggestion that the top brass at the FBI was anti-Trump and seemingly gave Hillary a free pass for a crime that someone else got a jail sentence for.
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This post must be a joke, right? Trying to impeach a duly elected candidate versus criticizing shady practices; i wonder which side can't handle what.
3 Posts? Bots get everywhere these days, don't they?

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt...What is wrong with people using a legal procedure to impeach someone who has committed a crime?
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