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Old 22.06.2018, 19:41
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So, my curiosity, is this barbaric practice long(er) in use or is is outrageous because it happens during Trump? I'm not trying to excuse this administration, am really and honestly curious.
I think it's been answered a lot already, but I believe the answer is that the law always allowed for this to happen, but previous administrations took, let's say, a more humanitarian view and never implemented policy making it happen.
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Old 22.06.2018, 21:12
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I wonder who on this forum think its OK, in any circumstance, (aside from a genuinely abusive one) to separate a child from his or her parents? Regardless of Trumps backtracking, he knew what he was sanctioning and Melania is no less implicit in Trumps fascist policies as for that fashion faux pas yesterday, well it wasn't a mistake thats for sure, no one can be that dumb!
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Old 22.06.2018, 22:59
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I think it's been answered a lot already, but I believe the answer is that the law always allowed for this to happen, but previous administrations took, let's say, a more humanitarian view and never implemented policy making it happen.
Exactly Trump was the first one to make it a policy plus it was a policy with no exceptions.

There were children incarcerated in Obama's time but these were unaccompanied children; not children ripped out of their families.
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I wonder who on this forum think its OK, in any circumstance, (aside from a genuinely abusive one) to separate a child from his or her parents? Regardless of Trumps backtracking, he knew what he was sanctioning and Melania is no less implicit in Trumps fascist policies as for that fashion faux pas yesterday, well it wasn't a mistake thats for sure, no one can be that dumb!
Well, if you look back over Trump's administration so far, and even before that, there seems no limit to what the core supporters will overlook. From prostitutes, to "pussy-grabbing" to splitting up kids from their families, he could drop-kick a newborn from an upstairs window of the WH and they'd find some MAGA excuse for it.

But hey, he shook hands and signed some bits of paper with the NK dictator so it's all good.
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Old 23.06.2018, 10:01
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Well, if you look back over Trump's administration so far, and even before that, there seems no limit to what the core supporters will overlook. From prostitutes, to "pussy-grabbing" to splitting up kids from their families, he could drop-kick a newborn from an upstairs window of the WH and they'd find some MAGA excuse for it.

But hey, he shook hands and signed some bits of paper with the NK dictator so it's all good.
Apparently he doesn’t think Kim is such a nice guy anymore! Was he hoping for a Nobel Piece prize before the world realised what a loser he is?

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Old 23.06.2018, 10:25
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Well, if you look back over Trump's administration so far, and even before that, there seems no limit to what the core supporters will overlook. From prostitutes, to "pussy-grabbing" to splitting up kids from their families, he could drop-kick a newborn from an upstairs window of the WH and they'd find some MAGA excuse for it.

But hey, he shook hands and signed some bits one bit of paper with the NK dictator so it's all good.
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I completely agree with what you posted.

Seems despite Trump's claims of continued zero tolerance at the border the Patrol officers have stopped arresting illegally border crossing families with children because the next steps are not defined.
Did I ever post "you could not make this stuff up" ?

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Old 23.06.2018, 10:34
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

BTW, about N. Korea

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Donald Trump has declared that North Korea still poses an “extraordinary threat” to the United States, just days after saying that the country’s nuclear program no longer constituted a danger.

In an executive order on Friday, the president extended for one year the so-called “national emergency” with respect to the nuclear-armed nation, re-authorizing economic restrictions against it.

While expected, the declaration comes just nine days after Trump tweeted: “There is no longer a Nuclear Threat from North Korea,” following his summit with North Korean leader Kim Jong-un in Singapore.
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It is like watching a magic roundabout

Wonder how N. Korea will react after their State media claimed last week that Trump promised to drop sanctions
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Old 23.06.2018, 10:59
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Exactly Trump was the first one to make it a policy plus it was a policy with no exceptions.

There were children incarcerated in Obama's time but these were unaccompanied children; not children ripped out of their families.
I really hope those children ever incarcerated before Trump were not incarcerated under abusive and unclear circumstances, but as I heard or read quite a few horror stories re. American immigration police (and policies) before, I doubt. We'll never know and I don't have time to dig into other sources, so I'll leave it here. But if it wasn't all over in the press it doesn't mean it never happened. If it helps anyone to believe that under Obama or Clinton everything was perfect, so be it.

IMHO, they need to change the legislation so that no law could be turned and switched. No loopholes, no tiny windows to abuses, which often are made to sound perfectly reasonable from a legal point of view. Of course, Trump would never do any of it. But America could crush and spit illegals' bones (and I mean even those who just overstayed their visa, or got into some sort of trouble there that otherwise would have been solved very easily) long before Trump.


By the way. Marton, when would it ever be OK to incarcerate children? I think there could be more humane solutions to this mess.

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Apparently he doesn’t think Kim is such a nice guy anymore! Was he hoping for a Nobel Piece prize before the world realised what a loser he is?
We have an established pattern of behaviour from Trump now, and only have to look at how he's treated Presidents Xing and Macron for futher examples. Trump does the whole nicey nicey, best buddies routine, then shits all over them. Is there a name for this personality trait?

I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him.
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Old 23.06.2018, 13:00
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We have an established pattern of behaviour from Trump now.....
You do??

It crossed my mind that maybe he has a twin and they share the job?
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Time Magazine issues correction for their cover photo depicting child separation

The original version of this story misstated what happened to the girl in the photo after she (was) taken from the scene. The girl was not carried away screaming by U.S. Border Patrol agents; her mother picked her up and the two were taken away together.

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We have an established pattern of behaviour from Trump now, and only have to look at how he's treated Presidents Xing and Macron for futher examples. Trump does the whole nicey nicey, best buddies routine, then shits all over them. Is there a name for this personality trait?

I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him.
And obviously, this is EXACTLY the behaviour he criticised Trudeau for after the G7. Pathetic.
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Old 23.06.2018, 14:39
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You do??

It crossed my mind that maybe he has a twin and they share the job?
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Time Magazine issues correction for their cover photo depicting child separation

The original version of this story misstated what happened to the girl in the photo after she (was) taken from the scene. The girl was not carried away screaming by U.S. Border Patrol agents; her mother picked her up and the two were taken away together.

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They also forgot to mention that the little girls mother was previously deported in 2013.
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Well, if you look back over Trump's administration so far, and even before that, there seems no limit to what the core supporters will overlook. From prostitutes, to "pussy-grabbing" to splitting up kids from their families, he could drop-kick a newborn from an upstairs window of the WH and they'd find some MAGA excuse for it.

But hey, he shook hands and signed some bits of paper with the NK dictator so it's all good.
Well if you look at some of his core supporters then their actions or non actions are understandable.


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They also forgot to mention that the little girls mother was previously deported in 2013.
Yeah that makes it ok then!
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Yeah that makes it ok then!
Makes what ok?

She wasn't seprated from her family - Time Magazine admitted that was just Fake News.
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Old 23.06.2018, 22:43
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

A number of US people have commented about the strange white rings around Trump's eyes. Some people claim this is the result of wearing goggles and sitting in front of a sun tanning lamp.

They show up quite well in this photo. Of course it is his business what he does with his face but it does look a little odd
One would think an allegedly vain person like Trump would avoid such appearances?

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A number of US people have commented about the strange white rings around Trump's eyes. Some people claim this is the result of wearing goggles and sitting in front of a sun tanning lamp.

They show up quite well in this photo. Of course it is his business what he does with his face but it does look a little odd
One would think an allegedly vain person like Trump would avoid such appearances?

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Yeah that makes it ok then!
The point he is trying to make is that this little girl wasn't separated from her mum therefore no children are separated from their parents.

This is Spanky supporter logic; a heady mix of confirmation bias and Dunning Kruger, throw in some mindless echoing of the catchphrases and you are good to go.
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