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I expect it to be fun and interesting.
If that's your idea of 'fun' you need to get out more or be known as EF's answer to Katie Hopkins.
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38464612

35 Russian diplomats expelled from the US. I wonder how Trump will manage Russian's fury while appeasing his supporters?
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35 Russian diplomats expelled from the US. I wonder how Trump will manage Russian's fury while appeasing his supporters?
No doubt he'll vomit up his idle musings with a few tweets in the coming days.
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No doubt he'll vomit up his idle musings with a few tweets in the coming days.
I think he's going to be in hair and make-up for the next 20 days

Seriously though, when they said on the news last night that it's only a matter of weeks unti he takes office, I went sick.
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The Russian Embassy has reacted with their own tweets:

Russian Embassy, UK ‏@RussianEmbassy 23 Min.Vor 23 Minuten
MFA: American people humiliated by its own President.

Russian Embassy, UK ‏@RussianEmbassy 15 Std.Vor 15 Stunden
President Obama expels 35 🇷🇺 diplomats in Cold War deja vu. As everybody, incl 🇺🇸 people, will be glad to see the last of this hapless Adm.


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The Russian Embassy has reacted with their own tweets:
I wonder what their tweets would have looked like if it had existed in 2001 when Bush expelled 51 Russian diplomats or in 1986 when Reagan expelled 80 Soviet diplomats.
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35 Russian diplomats expelled from the US. I wonder how Trump will manage Russian's fury while appeasing his supporters?
This action probably wasn't aimed at the Russians and the primary purpose is to damage Trump's start.
Obviously the Democrats aren't prepared to admit they lost because they fielded a bum candidate and hope that the narative sticks that Trump succeeded only because of Russian interference in the election procedure.
It is a riduculous gamble on Obama's part. The 'evidence' that is leaking out appears inconclusive. Trump will obviously not have a lot of patience for stories about his victory being due to Russian support. It'll take only a few leaked 'doubts' from the security services that the available evidence may not support the drastic action that Obama has taken and he [Obama] will be very exposed. One thing is clear. The Russians will play this perfectly.
Returning to the quality of evidence; when the US were caught meddling in Ukraine starting at the beginning of the crisis with their (ultimately successful) attempts to install a puppet regime there and destabilise the whole region, perfect incontrovertible proof of this interference was immediately produced in the form of intercepted communications which even the parties involved confirmed as genuine. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957 . Are we going to see evidence of this quality from Obama? I doubt it.
Will Trump be a good president? America has got what it deserves. I just hope that place implodes without too much fall out else where.
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Somewhat of a lame action on behalf of Obama, and quite too late. It doesn't really accomplish anything, and even affirms the authenticity of the wikileaks. Trump can undo it with a memo, which goes for just about everything he has done.

Obama attempts to govern by managing perception, and changing words around in great speeches, but its end results are disastrous. The DNC is in tatters after Obama, and he may even have brought the UN to the same outcome.

I hope Trump takes the opposite approach, by contradicting media perceptions and taking unpopular yet impactful actions. I think it would help wake more and more people up from their stupor, and it could be loads fun.

I don't see how hard it is for Trump to show more effectiveness than Obama.
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Somewhat of a lame action on behalf of Obama, and quite too late. It doesn't really accomplish anything, and even affirms the authenticity of the wikileaks. Trump can undo it with a memo, which goes for just about everything he has done.

Obama attempts to govern by managing perception, and changing words around in great speeches, but its end results are disastrous. The DNC is in tatters after Obama, and he may even have brought the UN to the same outcome.

I hope Trump takes the opposite approach, by contradicting media perceptions and taking unpopular yet impactful actions. I think it would help wake more and more people up from their stupor, and it could be loads fun.

I don't see how hard it is for Trump to show more effectiveness than Obama.
But in reality, you can call it fun because you are not there. You are viewing it from the safety of your nice comfortable Swiss income with all your local and national infrastructure and its social security, viewing it as some distant folly, a sideshow, a bit of light entertainment. We can all have a good laugh over what an utter tit he is and his embarrassing ineptitude because we're not directly affected by it.
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This action probably wasn't aimed at the Russians and the primary purpose is to damage Trump's start.
Obviously the Democrats aren't prepared to admit they lost because they fielded a bum candidate and hope that the narative sticks that Trump succeeded only because of Russian interference in the election procedure.
It is a riduculous gamble on Obama's part. The 'evidence' that is leaking out appears inconclusive. Trump will obviously not have a lot of patience for stories about his victory being due to Russian support. It'll take only a few leaked 'doubts' from the security services that the available evidence may not support the drastic action that Obama has taken and he [Obama] will be very exposed. One thing is clear. The Russians will play this perfectly.
Returning to the quality of evidence; when the US were caught meddling in Ukraine starting at the beginning of the crisis with their (ultimately successful) attempts to install a puppet regime there and destabilise the whole region, perfect incontrovertible proof of this interference was immediately produced in the form of intercepted communications which even the parties involved confirmed as genuine. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957 . Are we going to see evidence of this quality from Obama? I doubt it.
Will Trump be a good president? America has got what it deserves. I just hope that place implodes without too much fall out else where.
"perfect incontrovertible proof of this interference was immediately produced in the form of intercepted communications which even the parties involved confirmed as genuine" There is nothing in your link which confirms "even the parties involved confirmed as genuine" and what is there as "incontrovertible proof "?
There are a lot of embedded comments from Jonathan Marcus that do not reflect the conversation well and are equally critical of "Moscow".
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35 Russian diplomats expelled from the US. I wonder how Trump will manage Russian's fury while appeasing his supporters?
Russia seem to be avoiding fury so as not to upset Trump "Putin says Russia will not expel US diplomats in tit-for-tat measure".
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Old 30.12.2016, 18:16
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But in reality, you can call it fun because you are not there. You are viewing it from the safety of your nice comfortable Swiss income with all your local and national infrastructure and its social security, viewing it as some distant folly, a sideshow, a bit of light entertainment. We can all have a good laugh over what an utter tit he is and his embarrassing ineptitude because we're not directly affected by it.
Not at all. I think the US will be the best place to be in a couple of years.
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"perfect incontrovertible proof of this interference was immediately produced in the form of intercepted communications which even the parties involved confirmed as genuine" There is nothing in your link which confirms "even the parties involved confirmed as genuine" and what is there as "incontrovertible proof "?
There are a lot of embedded comments from Jonathan Marcus that do not reflect the conversation well and are equally critical of "Moscow".
Oh really! Surely the incident referred to in the link was so well known that hardly any further explanation or supporting material was required. Anyway, for those who still try to maintain they do not know what happened:

1. A phone conversation between Victoria Nuland (US Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs) and Geoffrey Pyatt (then United States Ambassador to Ukraine) were caught plotting and preparing the installation of a puppet regime in Ukraine by means of an intercepted phone conversation. There are stacks of links including the recorded conversation. Take your pick. https://www.google.ch/?gws_rd=ssl#ne...+fu%3Fk+europe (Warning to pro Europeans on this thread: she also said something naughty about Europe).

2. Here is Victoria Nuland admitting the accuracy of the audio recording. She referred to it as "pretty impressive tradecraft". She even came close to apologising. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079591 . Surely that must be enough to count as "incontrovertible proof" and "even the parties involved confirmed as genuine"

3. Of course, the contents of the Phone conversation were not the only acts of US interference and meddling in the Ukraine. For example, she [Nuland] was later seen feeding cookies to rioters etc.

4. This, amongst many other incidents, makes the US reaction to alleged interference in its domestic affairs laughable.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

And of course, the US has never interfered in another country's democratic election, right?

People are having a laugh at Obama's expense. Putin and Erdogan agreed to a seize fire in Syria through a phone call, without a mere thought of Obama. Obama sure knows how to not lead. He's not the kind of leader the US really needs at all. He leaves a trail of disasters behind; the White House, the DNC, and the UN amongst them. He's more the kind of leader you would wish upon your own enemies.
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And of course, the US has never interfered in another country's democratic election, right?

People are having a laugh at Obama's expense. Putin and Erdogan agreed to a seize fire in Syria through a phone call, without a mere thought of Obama. Obama sure knows how to not lead. He's not the kind of leader the US really needs at all. He leaves a trail of disasters behind; the White House, the DNC, and the UN amongst them. He's more the kind of leader you would wish upon your own enemies.
Do you have a source for your take on the "seize" fire somehow brought about by a phone chat, and how this is causing "people" to laugh at Obama? Speaks volumes about the "people" laughing more than anything else.

Still. All a bit of fun this "seize" fire, innit?
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Not at all. I think the US will be the best place to be in a couple of years.
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And of course, the US has never interfered in another country's democratic election, right?

People are having a laugh at Obama's expense. Putin and Erdogan agreed to a seize fire in Syria through a phone call, without a mere thought of Obama. Obama sure knows how to not lead. He's not the kind of leader the US really needs at all. He leaves a trail of disasters behind; the White House, the DNC, and the UN amongst them. He's more the kind of leader you would wish upon your own enemies.
Obama is fighting ISIS not supporting Assad (& ISIS) like the others?
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Oh really! Surely the incident referred to in the link was so well known that hardly any further explanation or supporting material was required. Anyway, for those who still try to maintain they do not know what happened:

1. A phone conversation between Victoria Nuland (US Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs) and Geoffrey Pyatt (then United States Ambassador to Ukraine) were caught plotting and preparing the installation of a puppet regime in Ukraine by means of an intercepted phone conversation. There are stacks of links including the recorded conversation. Take your pick. https://www.google.ch/?gws_rd=ssl#ne...+fu%3Fk+europe (Warning to pro Europeans on this thread: she also said something naughty about Europe).

2. Here is Victoria Nuland admitting the accuracy of the audio recording. She referred to it as "pretty impressive tradecraft". She even came close to apologising. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079591 . Surely that must be enough to count as "incontrovertible proof" and "even the parties involved confirmed as genuine"

3. Of course, the contents of the Phone conversation were not the only acts of US interference and meddling in the Ukraine. For example, she [Nuland] was later seen feeding cookies to rioters etc.

4. This, amongst many other incidents, makes the US reaction to alleged interference in its domestic affairs laughable.
"She referred to it as "pretty impressive tradecraft"" You could interpret that as meaning a well faked telephone call
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Obama is fighting ISIS not supporting Assad (& ISIS) like the others?
Obama vs Putin, Assad & Erdogan (an unholy trinity if ever I saw one!)

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Oh really! Surely the incident referred to in the link was so well known that hardly any further explanation or supporting material was required. Anyway, for those who still try to maintain they do not know what happened:

1. A phone conversation between Victoria Nuland (US Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs) and Geoffrey Pyatt (then United States Ambassador to Ukraine) were caught plotting and preparing the installation of a puppet regime in Ukraine by means of an intercepted phone conversation. There are stacks of links including the recorded conversation. Take your pick. https://www.google.ch/?gws_rd=ssl#ne...+fu%3Fk+europe (Warning to pro Europeans on this thread: she also said something naughty about Europe).

2. Here is Victoria Nuland admitting the accuracy of the audio recording. She referred to it as "pretty impressive tradecraft". She even came close to apologising. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079591 . Surely that must be enough to count as "incontrovertible proof" and "even the parties involved confirmed as genuine"

3. Of course, the contents of the Phone conversation were not the only acts of US interference and meddling in the Ukraine. For example, she [Nuland] was later seen feeding cookies to rioters etc.

4. This, amongst many other incidents, makes the US reaction to alleged interference in its domestic affairs laughable.
"A phone conversation between Victoria Nuland (US Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs) and Geoffrey Pyatt (then United States Ambassador to Ukraine) were caught plotting and preparing the installation of a puppet regime in Ukraine" Please do reference the parts of the conversation about "installation of a puppet regime"?
All I have read is a discussion about senior Americans meeting Ukrainian opposition leaders; in the diplomatic world that is "business as usual"?

Trump has had several meetings with the acting leader of the UKIP; are you claiming Farage will lead a coup?
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