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I wonder who on this forum think its OK, in any circumstance, (aside from a genuinely abusive one) to separate a child from his or her parents? Regardless of Trumps backtracking, he knew what he was sanctioning and Melania is no less implicit in Trumps fascist policies as for that fashion faux pas yesterday, well it wasn't a mistake thats for sure, no one can be that dumb!
The question is what she was referring to. Considering her explicit disagreement of recent separation policy it can't really be taken as an Ok for the same.
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The question is what she was referring to. Considering her explicit disagreement of recent separation policy it can't really be taken as an Ok for the same.
She's likely making the point that almost nobody genuinely gives a shit about child immigrants on the US border, regardless of which party they support.

The poor little buggers are just pawns in an ugly political squabble.

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Old 24.06.2018, 15:41
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The question is what she was referring to. Considering her explicit disagreement of recent separation policy it can't really be taken as an Ok for the same.
I think the one thing we have learnt about the Trumps is that they say one thing and do or mean another. Of course she wanted to appear compassionate but Trump also wants that, it doesn’t mean she is.
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Old 24.06.2018, 15:54
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

I honestly think Melania and her staff really have little idea on strategies for positive marketing. It's just another situation that shows how much Trump's administration isn't working properly.

I mean, why else would the following happen?

During her visit, she spoke alternately in English and through an interpreter, asking individual children in three classrooms where they were from. When an employee at the facility told her the average length of stay is currently 42 to 45 days, she responded, “That’s great.”

“Be kind and nice to other, OK?” she told kids in one classroom. “Nice to meet you.”


Taken from: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b0040e2740f172
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The point he is trying to make is that this little girl wasn't separated from her mum therefore no children are separated from their parents.
Of course children have been seperated from their parents, wasn't that the issue?

I was just pointing out the Fake News published by Time Magazine for which they had to issue a correction and admit the story was fabricated.
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Old 24.06.2018, 17:26
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I wonder who on this forum think its OK, in any circumstance, (aside from a genuinely abusive one) to separate a child from his or her parents? Regardless of Trumps backtracking, he knew what he was sanctioning and Melania is no less implicit in Trumps fascist policies as for that fashion faux pas yesterday, well it wasn't a mistake thats for sure, no one can be that dumb!
Define 'genuinely abusive'...

If the press wanted to, they could paint the whole scenario as a shining example of the humanitarianism of the US Gov.- saving children from abusive adults who have taken them on marches in the desert and made them complicit in criminal activity and illegal border crossing. Aiding and abetting people smugglers/ 'coyotes', etc. Of course, nobody forced.them to cross a border illegally and they could very well have just applied for a visa at the border like non-criminals would do.

The poor children!

What'll be next topic to come up on the modern MSM cycle of engineered social rage?
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The kid on the Time cover never met Trump either, so the image is completely manufactured.

So it was stupid on Time’s part to use an non vetted image of a child - one that wasn’t really separated from her mother. On the other hand the child is an exemplar, or representation of someone separated by Trump’s order. Manipulation, sure.

So is the First Lady visiting a “detention center” that was pretty much not, and any number of adjustments of truth carried out by Trump and his minions on a daily basis.

Everyone’s framing as fast as they can, creating rage, anger, distraction.

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Old 24.06.2018, 18:08
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Well if you look at some of his core supporters then their actions or non actions are understandable.


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Do you share the same view as Clinton when she called them "deplorables"?
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Old 24.06.2018, 18:13
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Define 'genuinely abusive'...

If the press wanted to, they could paint the whole scenario as a shining example of the humanitarianism of the US Gov.- saving children from abusive adults who have taken them on marches in the desert and made them complicit in criminal activity and illegal border crossing. Aiding and abetting people smugglers/ 'coyotes', etc. Of course, nobody forced.them to cross a border illegally and they could very well have just applied for a visa at the border like non-criminals would do.

The poor children!

What'll be next topic to come up on the modern MSM cycle of engineered social rage?
Regardless of what you define as abusive, people and families migrating from poverty stricken countries are only seeking a better life for themselves and their families, if it came to it and you were also that desperate you would take the risk as well. The last thing that you would hope for if you are caught crossing the border is to have your children removed from you and placed thousands of miles away. I think that is the point I was making. There are no circumstances here except actual intentional abuse of a child. You can spin it in a way that makes you feel that it’s justified to do so. But then I would have to assume you were a horrible person. There are a couple of horrible people on the Forum who are probably gleeful about all of this, they would deny it of course!
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Do you share the same view as Clinton when she called them "deplorables"?
She probably shouldn’t have said that, but she’s not far off the mark, they are the gun toting racist rednecks and “white trash” who blame the Liberal establishment and immigration for the fact they dropped out of school and failed in life, when they are so embittered and resentful of the wrong side but blame that side because that side represents everything they fear.
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Be careful if you go out running near the US border. You could end up in jail.

"A young French woman who went for an evening jog along a Canadian beach spent two weeks in US immigration detention after straying across the border.

Cedella Roman, 19, who was visiting her mother in British Columbia, decided to run along the beach that leads to Canada's border with the United States on 21 May.

Ms Roman told Canadian media she turned on to a dirt path for a few metres as the tide rose, and stopped to take a picture before retracing her steps.

She was then confronted by two US border patrol agents who arrested her for crossing into Blaine, Washington."

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She probably shouldn’t have said that, but she’s not far off the mark, they are the gun toting racist rednecks and “white trash” who blame the Liberal establishment and immigration for the fact they dropped out of school and failed in life, when they are so embittered and resentful of the wrong side but blame that side because that side represents everything they fear.
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Of course children have been seperated from their parents, wasn't that the issue?

I was just pointing out the Fake News published by Time Magazine for which they had to issue a correction and admit the story was fabricated.
Well at least they admitted the editorial error, which makes it an error, not fake news but hey thats the way you want to spin it. Anyway it seems Time Magazine will stand by the image, that still shows a little girl in distress at the hands of customs agents and in relation to the stricter enforcement of the immigration directive. Not sure if that is about saving face or because the truth is also a fulcrum to alt-right fake news accusers who will use to back their theories about liberal left leaning news outlets. The image was incorrect, I am yet to read the accompanying article though, so can’t say anything about that.
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I love a side dish of lazy stereotypes with my Sunday tea!
I have encountered a few of those lazy stereotypes in my time the stereotyping wasn’t all that was lazy.
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I have encountered a few of those lazy stereotypes in my time the stereotyping wasn’t all that was lazy.
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We cannot allow all of these people to invade our Country. When somebody comes in, we must immediately, with no Judges or Court Cases, bring them back from where they came. Our system is a mockery to good immigration policy and Law and Order. Most children come without parents...
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Does anybody remember when the US was a free world leader and followed the rule of law?
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Does anybody remember when the US was a free world leader and followed the rule of law?
Um, and what about all these people trying to get who aren't obeying the rule of law. There are rules about getting into most countries after all. Surely we should expect them to obey them?
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Old 24.06.2018, 23:01
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Um, and what about all these people trying to get who aren't obeying the rule of law. There are rules about getting into most countries after all. Surely we should expect them to obey them?
Sure, but they have the right to have their day in court and to defend their actions.
Or do you believe everybody suspected of a crime should be simply convicted without putting their defence before a court like they do in Russia or Turkey?
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The Trump administration created a special challenge coin featuring President Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate, The New York Times reported Sunday.

Ethics watchdogs told the Times that coins depicting Trump’s properties shouldn’t be created with government resources, as it could violate federal laws banning the use of public resources to promote private institutions.
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Does anybody remember when the US was a free world leader and followed the rule of law?
Vaguely.

<<bring them back from where they came>> is that new-english?
Does anybody remember when the people in the US spoke English?
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