Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Off-Topic > Off-Topic > International affairs/politics  
View Poll Results: Will Trump be a good President?
Yes 88 27.08%
No 237 72.92%
Voters: 325. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #14061  
Old 12.07.2018, 09:49
amogles's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Zurich
Posts: 10,586
Groaned at 222 Times in 187 Posts
Thanked 21,987 Times in 9,344 Posts
amogles has a reputation beyond reputeamogles has a reputation beyond reputeamogles has a reputation beyond reputeamogles has a reputation beyond reputeamogles has a reputation beyond reputeamogles has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Quote:
View Post
It makes more sense (to me) to not replace something when it's at the end of it's life than to tear everything down just because it was decided to no longer pursue the technique.
It is called "sanfter Übergang".
And furthermore, one of the big arguments in Germany against nuclear energy is that they haven't yet worked out how or where to store the waste.

If you shut down and dismantle plants that have not yet reached the end of their lifecycle, you are actually creating a lot of nuclear waste prematurely and so adding to the storage problem.

Surely it would be better to keep the plants whole and working until the problem of the waste is sorted.

The Greens are playing a double game here. On the one hand they are demanding early dismantlement of the plants and on the other they are blocking all solutions for storage and disposal. So in other words, they are leaving no alternative to costly and dangerous tempoarry storage dumps.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank amogles for this useful post:
  #14062  
Old 12.07.2018, 10:15
Treverus's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Luxembourg
Posts: 11,634
Groaned at 290 Times in 247 Posts
Thanked 21,792 Times in 7,939 Posts
Treverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Quote:
View Post
And furthermore, one of the big arguments in Germany against nuclear energy is that they haven't yet worked out how or where to store the waste.

If you shut down and dismantle plants that have not yet reached the end of their lifecycle, you are actually creating a lot of nuclear waste prematurely and so adding to the storage problem.

Surely it would be better to keep the plants whole and working until the problem of the waste is sorted.

The Greens are playing a double game here. On the one hand they are demanding early dismantlement of the plants and on the other they are blocking all solutions for storage and disposal. So in other words, they are leaving no alternative to costly and dangerous tempoarry storage dumps.


Sorry, but you are getting a couple of things mixed up:
- there are different levels of nuclear waste. The one which is the big worry is the highest level... the used up rods of extremely radioactive fuel used in a reactor.
- the longer you use your reactor, the more of that stuff you produce.


The Swiss reactors are some of the oldest running reactors on the planet. The problem with radioactivity is that while you cannot see it does it erode materials including even reinforced concrete. Beznau 1 had over 1000 micro fractures in the pressure chamber, but is back online anyways. Running a reactor longer does not mean you are doing something ecologically, but raising the risks for an accident. Beznau is believed to be the third worst reactor to cope with an accident (on the planet, only a block in Armenia and one in Taiwan are worse...).


I am critical of nuclear energy, but if you do want to use it... do it in the safest way possible. That means build a new reactor every 30 years or so. Most Swiss one are from the late 60s and early 70s. Japan has shown that we cannot rely on the energy companies to prioritize safety, they clearly rather keep old machines running and cash in. In Europe are probably only the Belgians doing worse than the Swiss reactors. And I am including eastern Europe here...
Reply With Quote
  #14063  
Old 12.07.2018, 10:33
amogles's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Zurich
Posts: 10,586
Groaned at 222 Times in 187 Posts
Thanked 21,987 Times in 9,344 Posts
amogles has a reputation beyond reputeamogles has a reputation beyond reputeamogles has a reputation beyond reputeamogles has a reputation beyond reputeamogles has a reputation beyond reputeamogles has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Quote:
View Post
Sorry, but you are getting a couple of things mixed up:
- there are different levels of nuclear waste. The one which is the big worry is the highest level... the used up rods of extremely radioactive fuel used in a reactor.
- the longer you use your reactor, the more of that stuff you produce.
Most of the waste problem is concerned with the lower levels of waste, which are being produced in far larger volumes.

Things like rods can be reprocessed to a certain degree.

Things like concrete and other construction crap containing low to medium levels of radioactivity cannot be recycled in any way and this is the stuff that fills most of the space in the storage sites.

Furthermore, the big challenge with storage is not the level of radioactivity. It's the half life. Stuff with short half lifes can just be held in temporary storage until safe to dump in the normal trash or something. Independently of whether it is strongly or only weakly radioactive. But stuff with long half lives cannot be treated like that. It needs to be stored safely for a very long times. In this respect you don't differentiate between something with high levels of radiation and something that is just marginally over a limit.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank amogles for this useful post:
  #14064  
Old 12.07.2018, 10:44
Treverus's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Luxembourg
Posts: 11,634
Groaned at 290 Times in 247 Posts
Thanked 21,792 Times in 7,939 Posts
Treverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Quote:
View Post
Most of the waste problem is concerned with the lower levels of waste, which are being produced in far larger volumes.

Things like rods can be reprocessed to a certain degree.

Things like concrete and other construction crap containing low to medium levels of radioactivity cannot be recycled in any way and this is the stuff that fills most of the space in the storage sites.

Furthermore, the big challenge with storage is not the level of radioactivity. It's the half life. Stuff with short half lifes can just be held in temporary storage until safe to dump in the normal trash or something. Independently of whether it is strongly or only weakly radioactive. But stuff with long half lives cannot be treated like that. It needs to be stored safely for a very long times. In this respect you don't differentiate between something with high levels of radiation and something that is just marginally over a limit.


The point of nuclear was that it was allegedly cheap and clean... your post sounds like its actually neither if you do calculate the full costs. ;-)
Reply With Quote
  #14065  
Old 12.07.2018, 10:51
amogles's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Zurich
Posts: 10,586
Groaned at 222 Times in 187 Posts
Thanked 21,987 Times in 9,344 Posts
amogles has a reputation beyond reputeamogles has a reputation beyond reputeamogles has a reputation beyond reputeamogles has a reputation beyond reputeamogles has a reputation beyond reputeamogles has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Quote:
View Post
The point of nuclear was that it was allegedly cheap and clean... your post sounds like its actually neither if you do calculate the full costs. ;-)
Premature abandonment doesn't recover past expenditure, but it does curtail the income you can get by selling the electricity while bringing forward the problems and costs of decommisioning.

So it's the worst of all possible solutions economically.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank amogles for this useful post:
  #14066  
Old 12.07.2018, 11:48
st2lemans's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Lugano
Posts: 28,462
Groaned at 1,923 Times in 1,458 Posts
Thanked 33,611 Times in 16,036 Posts
st2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

"Stormy Daniels arrested in Ohio"

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44804597

Tom
Reply With Quote
  #14067  
Old 12.07.2018, 11:56
curley's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: canton ZH
Posts: 11,015
Groaned at 175 Times in 146 Posts
Thanked 12,327 Times in 6,469 Posts
curley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Quote:
View Post
"Stormy Daniels arrested in Ohio"

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44804597

Tom
<<Ms Daniels was arrested for allegedly letting a customer touch her on stage "in a non sexual manner">>
Now that is totally inappropriate for a porn-star, right?

If this is a set up it won't change a thing for Trump - but of course Trump has his own logic ....
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank curley for this useful post:
  #14068  
Old 12.07.2018, 12:46
Treverus's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Luxembourg
Posts: 11,634
Groaned at 290 Times in 247 Posts
Thanked 21,792 Times in 7,939 Posts
Treverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

I cant believe that the US has a president that shags porn stars, but I somehow still cannot stand him...
Reply With Quote
  #14069  
Old 12.07.2018, 12:49
Phil_MCR's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Basel
Posts: 13,581
Groaned at 269 Times in 175 Posts
Thanked 16,484 Times in 7,002 Posts
Phil_MCR has a reputation beyond reputePhil_MCR has a reputation beyond reputePhil_MCR has a reputation beyond reputePhil_MCR has a reputation beyond reputePhil_MCR has a reputation beyond reputePhil_MCR has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Quote:
View Post
The point of nuclear was that it was allegedly cheap and clean... your post sounds like its actually neither if you do calculate the full costs. ;-)
well if you look at it only as a power generation endeavour, then maybe.

however, when viewed as partly military research/capability spend, then it may look different.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Phil_MCR for this useful post:
  #14070  
Old 12.07.2018, 13:00
Treverus's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Luxembourg
Posts: 11,634
Groaned at 290 Times in 247 Posts
Thanked 21,792 Times in 7,939 Posts
Treverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Quote:
View Post
well if you look at it only as a power generation endeavour, then maybe.

however, when viewed as partly military research/capability spend, then it may look different.

Sorry, but a nuclear power station build in the 60s is absolutely useless for research or military use. The PSI in Aargau stored enough weapons grade plutonium for a couple of bombs for decades till they finally got rid of it in 2016...
Reply With Quote
  #14071  
Old 12.07.2018, 13:08
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Quote:
View Post
I cant believe that the US has a president that shags porn stars, but I somehow still cannot stand him...
Is that worse than a President which shoved a cigar up an intern?
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank for this useful post:
  #14072  
Old 12.07.2018, 13:13
Treverus's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Luxembourg
Posts: 11,634
Groaned at 290 Times in 247 Posts
Thanked 21,792 Times in 7,939 Posts
Treverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Quote:
View Post
Is that worse than a President which shoved a cigar up an intern?
No, its way cooler. But id argue that the Russian hookers paid to pee on the bed Obama slept in are a bit on the weird side...
Reply With Quote
  #14073  
Old 12.07.2018, 13:14
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Küsnacht, Switzerland
Posts: 3,630
Groaned at 92 Times in 86 Posts
Thanked 9,954 Times in 4,476 Posts
Blueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Quote:
LIVE: Trump brushes off UK protests - 'They like me a lot'
https://news.sky.com/story/live-trum...a-lot-11434086

Reply With Quote
  #14074  
Old 12.07.2018, 14:08
st2lemans's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Lugano
Posts: 28,462
Groaned at 1,923 Times in 1,458 Posts
Thanked 33,611 Times in 16,036 Posts
st2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Quote:
View Post
The PSI in Aargau stored enough weapons grade plutonium for a couple of bombs for decades till they finally got rid of it in 2016...
Pity.

Tom
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank st2lemans for this useful post:
  #14075  
Old 12.07.2018, 14:49
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Ostschweiz
Posts: 7,699
Groaned at 305 Times in 253 Posts
Thanked 9,895 Times in 5,225 Posts
Urs Max has a reputation beyond reputeUrs Max has a reputation beyond reputeUrs Max has a reputation beyond reputeUrs Max has a reputation beyond reputeUrs Max has a reputation beyond reputeUrs Max has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Quote:
View Post
Premature abandonment doesn't recover past expenditure, but it does curtail the income you can get by selling the electricity while bringing forward the problems and costs of decommisioning.

So it's the worst of all possible solutions economically.
There are other aspects to be considered. If for instance Mühleberg blows up, Bern is probably toast because the main wind direction is from west-northwest so it would be directly in the cloud's path.
Reply With Quote
  #14076  
Old 12.07.2018, 15:30
Treverus's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Luxembourg
Posts: 11,634
Groaned at 290 Times in 247 Posts
Thanked 21,792 Times in 7,939 Posts
Treverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

But that sort of thing only happens once in a thousand years... or so we have been told. Except that it happened at least three times in the last 70. And I am not even counting all the weapons the Americans lost. (The Russians probably as well, but we never heard about it...)
Reply With Quote
  #14077  
Old 12.07.2018, 16:34
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Zurich
Posts: 377
Groaned at 74 Times in 57 Posts
Thanked 1,313 Times in 542 Posts
reids has a reputation beyond reputereids has a reputation beyond reputereids has a reputation beyond reputereids has a reputation beyond reputereids has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Quote:
View Post
Is that worse than a President which shoved a cigar up an intern?


The logic here seems to be, If Spanky is bad then Clinton must be good, however Clinton had an affair therefore Clinton is bad, therefore Spanky is good.


Genius.
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank reids for this useful post:
  #14078  
Old 12.07.2018, 16:42
amogles's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Zurich
Posts: 10,586
Groaned at 222 Times in 187 Posts
Thanked 21,987 Times in 9,344 Posts
amogles has a reputation beyond reputeamogles has a reputation beyond reputeamogles has a reputation beyond reputeamogles has a reputation beyond reputeamogles has a reputation beyond reputeamogles has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Quote:
View Post
The logic here seems to be, If Spanky is bad then Clinton must be good, however Clinton had an affair therefore Clinton is bad, therefore Spanky is good.


Genius.
er no.

it's just showing that in both cases there is a lot of faked shock and anger at a revelation that actually in the bigger picture of things doesn't really matter.
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank amogles for this useful post:
  #14079  
Old 12.07.2018, 16:57
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Zurich
Posts: 377
Groaned at 74 Times in 57 Posts
Thanked 1,313 Times in 542 Posts
reids has a reputation beyond reputereids has a reputation beyond reputereids has a reputation beyond reputereids has a reputation beyond reputereids has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Quote:
View Post
er no.

it's just showing that in both cases there is a lot of faked shock and anger at a revelation that actually in the bigger picture of things doesn't really matter.

I think thats overly generous, it's just whataboutism and whataboutism from the last century at that, at least 'whatabouttheHilaryEmails' is current.
Reply With Quote
  #14080  
Old 12.07.2018, 17:01
3Wishes's Avatar
Moderately Amused
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Bern area
Posts: 10,295
Groaned at 72 Times in 69 Posts
Thanked 16,711 Times in 7,572 Posts
3Wishes has a reputation beyond repute3Wishes has a reputation beyond repute3Wishes has a reputation beyond repute3Wishes has a reputation beyond repute3Wishes has a reputation beyond repute3Wishes has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Quote:
View Post
er no.

it's just showing that in both cases there is a lot of faked shock and anger at a revelation that actually in the bigger picture of things doesn't really matter.
But times change, don't they? In the 90s the public opinion about morality was different than it is today, and Clinton was looked down on for his actions. Back then no one would have been elected if they acted how Trump does. Today it's another story and people will not care or be surprised if Trump has an affair while in office.
Reply With Quote
Reply




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Will Hillary Clinton run for president again? PanFastic International affairs/politics 159 09.10.2018 02:31
Poll: Will Trump win the 2020 elections? k_and_e International affairs/politics 14 05.06.2018 22:06
A generic "will my salary be good enough" post Larsh Employment 51 12.12.2017 12:51
Will Trump be the next US President? Phil_MCR International affairs/politics 2618 14.11.2016 11:16
Shall I inform my employer that I will be self employed or be a owner of a company? Broth76 Business & entrepreneur 6 09.07.2012 16:59


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 15:20.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0