What leftists cannot seem to comprehend is that x (the amount of people who want and are willing to move to a Western country) exceeds y (the amount of people that Western countries can sustainably welcome)

How easy it must be to ignore this dilemma, advocate for more immigration and call anyone who disagrees a fascist.

But that is exactly the point, we are seeing the world swing from centrist and tolerant to right wing and intolerant. Regardless of the current global situation, where we are seeing far more inequality between Southern nations and the West. While here in our luxury we demand more and more from the worlds resources to fund our lavish lifestyles. I don't mean to say that developing countries are also not to blame, but we in the West contribute inexorably to what we are seeing. So like Lords of the Manor overlooking our serfdoms we continue to exacerbate the problem by demanding more resources, whether its to build our electronics or for our Sushi platters or beef steak.

Again Kriss Kross, you are part of the accepting population, you agree that your world is a better place when it has more control over the general population and total control of movement of the population, you can't see what the implications of this is to other people, to those who live on or below the poverty threshold, those that don't share your world outlook, religous or political views. The latter is going to be interesting in the coming years as more and more information based on algorithms is compiled to build pictures of individuals in the population. That data will be used, and it already is being used in countries like China and probably Russia to control dissent. It is only a step away from adoption by our own right-swaying Western and still democratic governments. The topic is in the papers and weeklies constantly.

You are not a fascist Kriss Kross, you are intolerant, but you support a fascist view regarding that topic, immigration, because you are strongly against immigration of certain demographic of people that doesn't match your view of how your society should be.

I could get slightly philosophical with you on the topic, but I fear its in one eye and out the bum.

btw. I have never said there isn't a huge problem with the migration of people from South to North that needs to be addressed by all nations. But we are too busy being told to be intolerant by the likes of Trump and people like yourself to try and figure out how to fix it.

But who determines the value of "y" and how?
There are around 500 million people in the EU so how do we calculate y?
1% per year (5 million) or 0.1% (half million) or what?
If we should settle on say 0.1% then it would be around 1,000 years before the migrants will outnumber the current population.
But by then the migrants would be into their 33rd generation so can we still describe them as migrants?

"call anyone who disagrees a fascist." or call anyone who agrees a "leftist"?

How can you complain about being labelled when you yourself label people, hypocrisy in action

Maybe you should stop buying sushi platters, steak, and the latest electro gizmos then?

You could instead go and give that money out of your pocket to those needy people.

Or is it that you need to bring others along with you on your guilt trip, and then have them foot the bill as well?

It is quite illogical when people who are preaching tolerance keep singling out one particular person and barking at him, calling him names and intolerant, belittling him constantly and trying to discredit him. This 'support of diversity' doesn't look genuine to me at all. Thanks to all who actually can tolerate different opinions, makes it a better debate here.

TobiasM posted "we" not "I"

Exactly. He doesn't speak for me. Does he speak for you?

And as you're bagging Americans and Europeans as 'fascists' for wanting to have a sustainable border control, where is same outrage at the rich Middle Eastern countries who are far less generous with their help?

Didn’t ever say they weren’t, Islamic countries are some of the least tolerant and most conservative in the world. However I am not discussing those they are already borderline fascist and aside from some moderate ones most have shifted to more extreme religious doctrine in order to control their populations. I am talking about our societies Western and European that are shifting. Actually I posted an interesting article that questioned how we are allowing our societies to become less tolerant and more fascist in model. But do carry on with your argument that my discussion is only about immigration. When I am talking about many other issues.

We are all a part of the problem, whether you like it or not. I do give money to charities, money I can afford. But I am not George Soros or Bill Gates. You are right I am not selfless, but I don’t think I am completely selfish either. I have mouths to feed and bills to pay but I don’t cry about my contributions to society helping those less fortunate either. As some people on this forum like to.

Just fine ,except for my baby teeth .I still have most of my very own

but what about the HILARY EMAILS!!!!

"We are all a part of the problem, whether you like it or not." -TobiasM




When you say 'we are all part of the problem', are you saying that everyone born in the West is guilty of living a lavish, luxurious lifestyle and are therefore 'part of the problem'?


Or is it that as human beings on this planet, we are all 'part of the problem'?

Trump: said immigration is destroying the culture of Europe. The USA was built by immigrants.

Why are all my English republican friends so concerned about royal protocol all of a sudden?

Once an Englander always an Englander. God whats wrong with them?

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world...-in-front.html

Image Melania's bottom if she did a curtsy???

I think just stripping it back to it's basics, it was a poor show to leave a 92 year old standing in the heat for 12 minutes. I'd have been pissed off it had been my nan, never mind the queen.

Protocol probably saved him, though. My nan would have hit him in the stones with her handbag; Liz would have just had to savour that thought flashing through her mind.

Her head was shaded

Ah, yes, with a fine hat to mark the occasion.

In fairness to Trump, not the first time I have seen him not manage to walk correctly and quickly lose direction. That's why he takes people's hands like May, or puts his arm across people's back/shoulder when walking.

Reckon he has dyspraxia and spatial awareness issues, struggles with coordination, left and right etc. he has large handwriting too.