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FrankZappa · #**1401** 31.12.2016, 10:45

	Quote:	me.anon
	Who needs satire when we can watch the full absurdity of a leadership transition in the US turning into a parody of itself, through normal media channels.

Yep, Trump may be bringing back miners jobs (LOL), but before that he'll be putting a lot of comedians out of work.

#**1402** 31.12.2016, 12:23

Russia trolling Obama. This is hilarious.

https://twitter.com/russianembassy/s...64127230271489

#**1403** 31.12.2016, 12:33

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Russia trolling Obama. This is hilarious. https://twitter.com/russianembassy/s...64127230271489

If you are over the age of 14 and find this kind of politics anything better than toe-curlingly embarrassing, the world is heading for the U-bend.

What a tragic turn for humankind.

Blueangel · #**1404** 31.12.2016, 12:41

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	What a tragic turn for humankind.

The level of comments on Loz's link says it all. we're in the post-truth, post-maths, post-intellect, post-expertise, post-grammar era now. It makes 'Deliverance' look positively aspirational.

marton · #**1405** 31.12.2016, 12:41

	Quote:	Phil_MCR
	While I don't doubt that Russia does have an interest in having a less hawkish (on Russia) President, the most damaging leaks were apparently not hacks, but rather leaks from a DNC insider who presumably was disgruntled with HRC's antics. But even if this was direct Russian action, with the numerous actions of the US in the past to topple regimes to install sympathetic puppets, and the open talk of regime change for a number of countries, I have to laugh at the hypocrisy of the US tantrum over alleged Russian interference with the elections. The US has the least moral authority on this issue out of any country in the world.

Not really clear what your point is?
You think that the US should not react over alleged Russian interference; instead simply roll over and accept it?

There are so many private and public sources with information about Russian interference that it is not logical to discount this. Whether this interference was effective or not is different topic.

You do not state that the leaks from a DNC insider are "alleged" although there is far less to support this.

" The US has the least moral authority on this issue...." Ignoring the Soviets who marched into and took over 20 countries?

marton · #**1406** 31.12.2016, 12:47

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Russia trolling Obama. This is hilarious. https://twitter.com/russianembassy/s...64127230271489

	Quote:	Blueangel
	The level of comments on Loz's link says it all. we're in the post-truth, post-maths, post-intellect, post-expertise, post-grammar era now. It makes 'Deliverance' look positively aspirational.

Indeed.
The only light at the end of the tunnel is that their tweets do not seem to be well aligned with Vlad's actual actions, for example

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	#Peskov: There is no doubt that Russia's adequate and mirror response will make Washington officials feel very uncomfortable as well

#**1407** 31.12.2016, 12:51

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	If you are over the age of 14 and find this kind of politics anything better than toe-curlingly embarrassing, the world is heading for the U-bend. What a tragic turn for humankind.

Either way yo look at it, it's very funny. To recap:

1) USA has been implementing regime change around the world on a regular basis for the last 50 years.
2) Russia most likely hack some emails though no evidence has been provided
3) This probably had absolutely no effect on the outcome of the election
4) Democrats accuse Russia of interfereing in the election but provide no evidence
5) Obama throws his teddy bears out the pram and expels some Russian diplomats
6) Russia laughs at lame duck president. Russia doesn't react saying they're happy to wait for Trump proving lame duck president is lame duck president.

How can you NOT find this kind of politics funny?!

#**1408** 31.12.2016, 12:56

I'm with Loz on this one.

Can you imagine anyone having the audacity to behave like this towards Bush Sr or Reagan?

Clinton, Bush and Obama have brought the United States to this risible position - especially Obama. Just look at the state of the world under his watch!

We'll look back at Obama as the Blair of the USA. Just you watch.

#**1409** 31.12.2016, 12:57

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Either way yo look at it, it's very funny. To recap: 1) USA has been implementing regime change around the world on a regular basis for the last 50 years. 2) Russia most likely hack some emails though no evidence has been provided 3) This probably had absolutely no effect on the outcome of the election 4) Democrats accuse Russia of interfereing in the election but provide no evidence 5) Obama throws his teddy bears out the pram and expels some Russian diplomats 6) Russia laughs at lame duck president. Russia doesn't react saying they're happy to wait for Trump proving lame duck president is lame duck president. How can you NOT find this kind of politics funny?!

It's the cocking about on Twitter like a Kardashian that is the tragic bit.

marton · #**1410** 31.12.2016, 13:00

We seem to be drifting away from the topic

It is almost 2 months since the US Presidential election but we are still no nearer to knowing if Trump will be a Good President, or not?

I had hoped he would give up tweeting and adopt a more dignified and Presidential approach, not to be.

I suspect he will go for a number of short term successes so he can tweet each time how great he is; without knowing what these will be then it is hard to evaluate if they will be good changes.

#**1411** 31.12.2016, 13:05

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	If you are over the age of 14 and find this kind of politics anything better than toe-curlingly embarrassing, the world is heading for the U-bend. What a tragic turn for humankind.

Oh, and if you think we're emerging from some golden age of international diplomacy, you're very much mistaken. It was ALWAYS this childish. Before you'd have Henry Kissinger or Madeleine Albright standing in front of the cameras sounding very important and choosing what they tell you. Now in the age of social media everything can be displayed for all to see. It's fantastic.

#**1412** 31.12.2016, 13:05

	Quote:	marton
	I suspect he will go for a number of short term successes so he can tweet each time how great he is; without knowing what these will be then it is hard to evaluate if they will be good changes.

This.

It's patently clear he's a narcissist and will not be shy with a scatter-gun approach of broadcasting his own version of success. Media houses won't be enough for him.

It's pretty much a reflection of society as it is today - instant gratification, popularity contests and a dwindling attention span. If you're a reality TV / X Factor / Kardashian follower / I'm a celebrity... / type of person, then he's a winner.

	Quote:	Loz1983
	It's fantastic.

In the same sense as watching someone vomiting up snotty oysters in a Michelin starred restaurant.

Blueangel · #**1413** 31.12.2016, 13:16

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	It's pretty much a reflection of society as it is today - instant gratification, popularity contests and a dwindling attention span. If you're a reality TV / X Factor / Kardashian follower / I'm a celebrity... / type of person, then he's a winner.

Agreed on the instant gratification part, but I won't deny liking a bit of 'Big Brother', and 'American Idol' back in the days when it was Fantasia and Bo Bice. The latter was my bubblegum tv Friday night detox from the demands of the working week for quite a few years.

Still doesn't make Trump a winner in my eyes.

marton · #**1414** 31.12.2016, 13:17

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Either way yo look at it, it's very funny. To recap: 1) USA has been implementing regime change around the world on a regular basis for the last 50 years. 2) Russia most likely hack some emails though no evidence has been provided 3) This probably had absolutely no effect on the outcome of the election 4) Democrats accuse Russia of interfereing in the election but provide no evidence 5) Obama throws his teddy bears out the pram and expels some Russian diplomats 6) Russia laughs at lame duck president. Russia doesn't react saying they're happy to wait for Trump proving lame duck president is lame duck president. How can you NOT find this kind of politics funny?!

"No evidence provided" LOL, did you ever look; I mean apart from in adult comics?

Here, for example, is a 13 page joint report from the FBI and US Homeland security about Russian hacking.

Urs Max · #**1415** 31.12.2016, 13:42

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	In the same sense as watching someone vomiting up snotty oysters in a Michelin starred restaurant.

Putin simply said you're not relevant anymore and showed him the middle finger. I wouldn't be surprised if it's followed by a solid kick in his rear end to help him out the door in three weeks.

Hilarous isn't a term I'd use here, yet the lame duck image couldn't be any more telling.

#**1416** 31.12.2016, 13:44

	Quote:	Urs Max
	Putin simply said you're not relevant anymore and showed him the middle finger. I wouldn't be surprised if it's followed by a solid kick in his rear end to help him out the door in three weeks.

I guess he's looking forward to having someone he can manipulate from 20th Jan...

Urs Max · #**1417** 31.12.2016, 13:51

@SG
He'll certainly try, but I posit that it's very difficult to manipulate a manipulator. Talk about beating a master at his own game.

	Quote:	marton
	"No evidence provided" LOL, did you ever look; I mean apart from in adult comics? Here, for example, is a 13 page joint report from the FBI and US Homeland security about Russian hacking.

That report is neither an analysis of how the election rigging happened, if any, nor does it contain proof.

"This JAR [Joint Analysis Report] provides technical indicators related to many of these operations, recommended mitigations, suggested actions to take in response to the indicators provided, and information on how to report such incidents to the U.S. Government. "

Blueangel · #**1418** 31.12.2016, 13:58

	Quote:	Urs Max
	Hilarous isn't a term I'd use here, yet the lame duck image couldn't be any more telling.

I honestly think that any outgoing administration would get the middle finger from Putin for the simple reason that they're disposable and he's not.

marton · #**1419** 31.12.2016, 14:09

	Quote:	Urs Max
	Putin simply said you're not relevant anymore and showed him the middle finger. I wouldn't be surprised if it's followed by a solid kick in his rear end to help him out the door in three weeks. Hilarous isn't a term I'd use here, yet the lame duck image couldn't be any more telling.

Actually a clever move by Obama to widen the differences between Trump and the Republican party.

Trump

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	Great move on delay (by V. Putin) - I always knew he was very smart!

	Quote:
	“I will tell you this, Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press.”

Senior Republican

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	The Senate majority leader, Mitch McConnell “The Russians are not our friends. And clearly the Obama administration has not yet dissuaded them from attempting to breach our cyber security systems, or harass our diplomats in Moscow.”

If Trump undoes the Obama sanctions then he will widen the gap between himself and the GOP who control both the House and Senate.
He will eventually find himself in the same boat as Obama who found it very difficult to pass any legislation due to a hostile House and Senate.

marton · #**1420** 31.12.2016, 14:15

	Quote:	Urs Max
	@SG He'll certainly try, but I posit that it's very difficult to manipulate a manipulator. Talk about beating a master at his own game. That report is neither an analysis of how the election rigging happened, if any, nor does it contain proof. "This JAR [Joint Analysis Report] provides technical indicators related to many of these operations, recommended mitigations, suggested actions to take in response to the indicators provided, and information on how to report such incidents to the U.S. Government. "

First you posted

	Quote:
	Russia most likely hack some emails though no evidence has been provided

Now you want to move the goal posts to

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	how the election rigging happened

If you actually read the report you would see

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	APT29 successfully compromised a U.S. political party. At least one targeted individual activated links to malware hosted on operational infrastructure of opened attachments containing malware. APT29 delivered malware to the political party’s systems, established persistence, escalated privileges, enumerated active directory accounts, and exfiltrated email from several accounts through encrypted connections back through operational infrastructure. In spring 2016, APT28 compromised the same political party, again via targeted spearphishing. This time, the spearphishing email tricked recipients into changing their passwords through a fake webmail domain hosted on APT28 operational infrastructure. Using the harvested credentials, APT28 was able to gain access and steal content, likely leading to the exfiltration of information from multiple senior party members. The U.S. Government assesses that information was leaked to the press and publicly disclosed.