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Old 16.07.2018, 22:42
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Interesting to watch it with the sound off. Tells us everything we need to know.

So that's it. The American century is over. That makes me sad: for all her faults, she always had so much potential - so much more than any of the current crop of superpowers.

The next question is which will be top dog between Russia and China? The EU is headed towards fascist oblivion. The status of the United Kingdom was made clear last week. What happens next?
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Old 16.07.2018, 23:29
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So that's it. The American century is over. That makes me sad: for all her faults, she always had so much potential - so much more than any of the current crop of superpowers.
You can still make a difference and do lots of cool stuff without being top dog.

Ask the Germans. Ask the Japanese.

Maybe America's fixation on the global perspective has harmed her more than it helped her. America's greatest trendsetting cultural achievements were based on people all over the world following her lead voluntarily rather than because they had a gun pointed at their head. I have long felt America could achieve much more of her potential if she didn't have her hands tied by having to be the bad cop all the time. Let the Chinese do that if it rocks their boat.

The EU is not finished yet either. It is just in dire need of new leadership who will ditch the fascist ambitions. Lots of things are breaking. Lots of things are changing.
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Old 16.07.2018, 23:45
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Interesting to watch it with the sound off. Tells us everything we need to know.

So that's it. The American century is over. That makes me sad: for all her faults, she always had so much potential - so much more than any of the current crop of superpowers.

The next question is which will be top dog between Russia and China? The EU is headed towards fascist oblivion. The status of the United Kingdom was made clear last week. What happens next?
Russia is too small economically too ever be a superpower.

Russia’s GDP in 2017 totaled $1.55 trillion, just eight percent of the U.S. GDP.
The GDP of the European Union (EU) is 11 times greater than Russia’s GDP even though the EU has only three-and-a-half times as many people as Russia.
Ranking just 16th among the world’s exporters, Russia’s impact on global trade is minuscule compared to China or Germany.

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Old 16.07.2018, 23:46
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Not me, but a friend of a friend, wrote this...
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I know to me it shouldn't really make a difference whether TobiasM or a friend of a friend of TobiasM wrote this yet you (TobiasM ) are an EF-member since 2011 while you mentioned nothing about who this friend of a friend is or where he published this.
So I will not base any "decisions" on this. While still saying thanks for posting it - with time it might turn out to be confirmed.

What crossed my mind while reading it all was how come all this information is apparently available, even names of Russians involved, while England <<could understandably not tell us - the public - any more than 'it was the Russians'>>.
The understandably is not from me but from posters here.
I know this is off-topic, yet .... ?
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Old 16.07.2018, 23:49
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I know to me it shouldn't really make a difference whether TobiasM or a friend of a friend of TobiasM wrote this yet you (TobiasM ) are an EF-member since 2011 while you mentioned nothing about who this friend of a friend is or where he published this.
So I will not base any "decisions" on this. While still saying thanks for posting it - with time it might turn out to be confirmed.

What crossed my mind while reading it all was how come all this information is apparently available, even names of Russians involved, while England <<could understandably not tell us - the public - any more than 'it was the Russians'>>.
The understandably is not from me but from posters here.
I know this is off-topic, yet .... ?
Patience; it took two years for the US to assemble this evidence. It is only 4 months since the UK murders.
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What crossed my mind while reading it all was how come all this information is apparently available, even names of Russians involved, while England <<could understandably not tell us - the public - any more than 'it was the Russians'>>.
The understandably is not from me but from posters here.
I know this is off-topic, yet .... ?
The names and basic information were freely available in the public domain 3 days ago, not least, here... https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/grand...-2016-election

TobaisM's post expands on what is being clearly stated in the U.S. Department of Justice's synopsis.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Of course the media are not fans of Trump but even so

CNN headline
"Trump's day of infamy"
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And then the New York Daily News cover today (presumably referencing Trump's claim he could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue)

BTW, can you imagine the interrogations the translator at Trump/Putin's "one to one" is now going through
EDIT: I seem to remember Spanky is a fan of water boarding

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North Dakota had Minutemen meant for Russia.
Since we're being pedant:
"Minuteman" is a name so isn't the correct form "many Minutemans" or "multiple Minuteman rockets"?
("many rockets of the Minuteman type" if one wanted to be anal)
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Old 17.07.2018, 09:52
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Since we're being pedant:
"Minuteman" is a name so isn't the correct form "many Minutemans" or "multiple Minuteman rockets"?
("many rockets of the Minuteman type" if one wanted to be anal)
Along the lines of your proposition they usually seem to work around this by saying "Minuteman missiles"
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I know to me it shouldn't really make a difference whether TobiasM or a friend of a friend of TobiasM wrote this yet you (TobiasM ) are an EF-member since 2011 while you mentioned nothing about who this friend of a friend is or where he published this.
So I will not base any "decisions" on this. While still saying thanks for posting it - with time it might turn out to be confirmed.
Looks like a copy of this post.

That said, it shouldn't matter where it came from. Unless it's a really reputable source one would want to check the original documents anyway, apparently the indictement is available to the public.
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Since we're being pedant:
"Minuteman" is a name so isn't the correct form "many Minutemans" or "multiple Minuteman rockets"?
("many rockets of the Minuteman type" if one wanted to be anal)
Grammatically speaking, you're correct.

To anyone alive in the '60s and '70s, if the words "Minuteman" or "Minutemen" were used in a sentence that even remotely involved defense, then there was little doubt as to what was being referred to.

I can remember as a child wondering how "Minute men" could be much of a threat... surely they would need to be large to reach Russia.
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Old 17.07.2018, 10:18
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

One of the curious ominous parts of the Trump/Putin summit

"Putin offered to allow American investigators to interview the 12 Russian intelligence agents just indicted by Special Counsel Robert Mueller in exchange for allowing Russians to have access to William Browder and his colleagues.

Trump described this as a "an incredible offer"

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Anyway Browder is a UK citizen so luckily Trump cannot hand him over.

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One of the curious ominous parts of the Trump/Putin summit

"Putin offered to allow American investigators to interview the 12 Russian intelligence agents just indicted by Special Counsel Robert Mueller in exchange for allowing Russians to have access to William Browder and his colleagues.

Trump described this as a "an incredible offer"



Anyway Browder is a UK citizen so luckily Trump cannot hand him over.

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I definitely can't see the following scenario...

"If you want a good trade deal, you will extradite William Browder to the USA".

Even if that fails, all the US need do is fabricate a crime Browder is charged with and we already know that we aren't afraid of enacting our side of the UK-US Extradition Treaty.
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I definitely can't see the following scenario...

"If you want a good trade deal, you will extradite William Browder to the USA".

Even if that fails, all the US need do is fabricate a crime Browder is charged with and we already know that we aren't afraid of enacting our side of the UK-US Extradition Treaty.
Or maybe he'll be the next to "discover" a bottle of Novichok in a park somewhere.
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Old 17.07.2018, 11:27
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The names and basic information were freely available in the public domain 3 days ago, not least, here... https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/grand...-2016-election

TobaisM's post expands on what is being clearly stated in the U.S. Department of Justice's synopsis.
Yes, I know? I was not wondering about the Americans, I was wondering about the English.

However, marton used the only word I seriously hate on me: Patience.

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Looks like a copy of this post.

That said, it shouldn't matter where it came from. Unless it's a really reputable source one would want to check the original documents anyway, apparently the indictement is available to the public.
Absolutely. (Checking originals).

A site called "Godlike Productions" huh?
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A site called "Godlike Productions" huh?
Hehe, yeah.
Perhaps that's why Tobias didn't link the page even though that's very poor style.
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Looks like a copy of this post.

That said, it shouldn't matter where it came from. Unless it's a really reputable source one would want to check the original documents anyway, apparently the indictement is available to the public.
Yup the guy is friend of a friend of mine and the post was on FB. I know, I know, I should read the whole paper myself, but I trusted this synopsis. Will read it when I get a chance, but will also see what the media puts out.
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Hehe, yeah.
Perhaps that's why Tobias didn't link the page even though that's very poor style.
Not where I picked it up from. Tbh, I don’t know the author he is a friend of a friend as I said.
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Yes, I know? I was not wondering about the Americans, I was wondering about the English.

However, marton used the only word I seriously hate on me: Patience.
I also have precious little patience. It's a curse.

If you're refering to the Skripal case, I only know one person who is in a position to know the truth, but she is exceptionally well placed. Her answer to her own mother was "Don't question it and don't question me on it." Make of that what you will, but it's enough for me.

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Hehe, yeah.
Perhaps that's why Tobias didn't link the page even though that's very poor style.
It's on numerous websites and doing the rounds on facebook. That website isn't the source.
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Old 17.07.2018, 13:32
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Or maybe he'll be the next to "discover" a bottle of Novichok in a park somewhere.
Unlikely, Browder has been living in hiding for 10 years. In his own words "to avoid Putin's assassins"!
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