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Russia is too small economically too ever be a superpower.

Russia’s GDP in 2017 totaled $1.55 trillion, just eight percent of the U.S. GDP.
The GDP of the European Union (EU) is 11 times greater than Russia’s GDP even though the EU has only three-and-a-half times as many people as Russia.
Ranking just 16th among the world’s exporters, Russia’s impact on global trade is minuscule compared to China or Germany.

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Interesting article.

OK, some of it is a bit "out there with your tinfoil hat" but it's hard not to believe there is some truth to it. More revealing is the following, which I think we even see on this forum with increasing regularity:

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The blooding process has begun within the democratic world. The muscles that the propaganda machines need for defending the indefensible are being toned up. Millions and millions of Europeans and Americans are learning to think the unthinkable. So what if those black people drown in the sea? So what if those brown toddlers are scarred for life? They have already, in their minds, crossed the boundaries of morality. They are, like Macbeth, “yet but young in deed”. But the tests will be refined, the results analysed, the methods perfected, the messages sharpened. And then the deeds can follow.
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Old 17.07.2018, 15:15
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Interesting article.

OK, some of it is a bit "out there with your tinfoil hat" but it's hard not to believe there is some truth to it. More revealing is the following, which I think we even see on this forum with increasing regularity:
I posted the article the other day. I do sort of agree, we are becoming more accepting of so many violations of human rights, people ridicule those that question it (even right here on this forum). I really feel we are heading towards a new world order that won’t be pleasant for the majority. Yes I have my hat on today!
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Old 17.07.2018, 15:46
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Millions and millions of Europeans and Americans are learning to think the unthinkable. So what if those black people drown in the sea? So what if those brown toddlers are scarred for life? They have already, in their minds, crossed the boundaries of morality.
The people who advocate the loudest for illegal immigration are usually the least affected by it.

Send a bunch of ''refugees'' to live in their neighbourhoods and go to school with their children and see how fast they'll change their tune.
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OK, some of it is a bit "out there with your tinfoil hat" but it's hard not to believe there is some truth to it. More revealing is the following, which I think we even see on this forum with increasing regularity:
My daughter got into a little trouble at school last week when she and her class mates had to move rooms because it was needed for a kid’s private family therapy with his/her parents. She thought this hilarious and burst out laughing at why a Mum and Dad would need therapy, etc. Anyway, she felt somewhat remorseful when it was explained to her that some Mums and Dads have problems too and need support, it’s not just kids in primary school.

My daughter’s reaction, in complete innocence, is something I see on this forum a lot (without the innocence).. A wilful disbelief that families are struggling, that adults have mental illness and/or special needs and some families have generational disabilities. Just like the dead bodies washed up on beaches, it’s this thing of blaming folks for their poverty struggles with *FFS, just go out a buy a bar of soap, shampoo for a fiver, you waste of space. Poverty? Nah! It’s your own fault, you muppet!* That attitude is everywhere now.. and a quick glance at the comments on the Daily Mail on any day of the week is an eye opener on the hate and fascism brewing.

And just for the record, I think all sides of the political spectrum are responsible for where we are now.. we are all responsible. The sooner the tit for tat games stop, we just might be able to change the inevitability of where we seem to be heading..
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Interesting article.

OK, some of it is a bit "out there with your tinfoil hat" but it's hard not to believe there is some truth to it. More revealing is the following, which I think we even see on this forum with increasing regularity:
Comparisons to Fascism - CHECK
Election results where author didn't like the outcome denounced as "rigged" - CHECK
Conflating refugees with illegal migrants - CHECK
Rupert Murdoch namechecked - CHECK
References to race - CHECK
Prediction that we're headed to full on Nazi Germany - CHECK

Only thing that's missing is it's not in the "Comment is Free" section of the Graun. It would be so nice if some of these people would go and spend time in Burma, or Central Africa, or Kurdistan to have a look at what extreme cruelty really looks like.
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The people who advocate the loudest for illegal immigration are usually the least affected by it.

Send a bunch of ''refugees'' to live in their neighbourhoods and go to school with their children and see how fast they'll change their tune.
And yet it was found time and time again that those bleating the loudest that "immigration should be stopped because they are overrun" were living in areas which had little or no immigration.

People hear what they want to hear, read what they want to read, and parrot accordingly. Damn the facts or, in this case, what's in front of their very eyes.
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Old 17.07.2018, 15:58
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The people who advocate the loudest for illegal immigration are usually the least affected by it.

Send a bunch of ''refugees'' to live in their neighbourhoods and go to school with their children and see how fast they'll change their tune.
are you talking about illegal immigrants or genuine refugees? The funny thing is those who complain the most about immigration are the least affected by it either. So jog on.
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The people who advocate the loudest for illegal immigration are usually the least affected by it.

Send a bunch of ''refugees'' to live in their neighbourhoods and go to school with their children and see how fast they'll change their tune.


Got any facts to back that up? or is just what your gut tells you?


That we live in the affluent west is an accident of birth and some of that affluence comes from screwing resources out of developing countries both now and in the past, then we complain that all these brown people want to come and live where we live.
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Comparisons to Fascism - CHECK
Election results where author didn't like the outcome denounced as "rigged" - CHECK
Conflating refugees with illegal migrants - CHECK
Rupert Murdoch namechecked - CHECK
References to race - CHECK
Prediction that we're headed to full on Nazi Germany - CHECK
So, is there a point to your list? Those details aren't hidden, right?

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Only thing that's missing is it's not in the "Comment is Free" section of the Graun. It would be so nice if some of these people would go and spend time in Burma, or Central Africa, or Kurdistan to have a look at what extreme cruelty really looks like.
I think the point of the article is to head the current climate off BEFORE it gets to that stage, not go window-shopping further afield for ideas and torture-envy...
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The people who advocate the loudest for illegal immigration are usually the least affected by it.

Send a bunch of ''refugees'' to live in their neighbourhoods and go to school with their children and see how fast they'll change their tune.
Nope, nope, nope. Time and again it is shown that the areas of the lowest immigration are the places which are most racist.

It's almost like not meeting these forrins affords you the distance to pretend they aren't people, like you. It's easy to feel superior when you haven't met any.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...mmigrants.html

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/dateline...-mainly-brexit
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Just pointing out that it's a typical over the top opinion piece comparing the modern day to 1930s Germany. Ticks all the boxes and has all the clichés you'd expect to find. Could have been lifted from the pages of EF.
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Only thing that's missing is it's not in the "Comment is Free" section of the Graun. It would be so nice if some of these people would go and spend time in Burma, or Central Africa, or Kurdistan to have a look at what extreme cruelty really looks like.
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Nope, nope, nope. Time and again it is shown that the areas of the lowest immigration are the places which are most racist.
Probably alot of them moved somewhere with less immigration after experiencing first hand life in a 'culturally enriched' area.
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Just pointing out that it's a typical over the top opinion piece comparing the modern day to 1930s Germany. Ticks all the boxes and has all the clichés you'd expect to find. Could have been lifted from the pages of EF.
Says the fella talking about UK 1970s in his Grandad EF post.
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Just pointing out that it's a typical over the top opinion piece comparing the modern day to 1930s Germany. Ticks all the boxes and has all the clichés you'd expect to find. Could have been lifted from the pages of EF.
But "over the top opinion pieces" seem to be fine when it aligns with your own political view, right?

There's stuff posted on here which is a real "WTF??" viewpoint from some swivel-eyed right wing crazy sources.

As I said when I first posted it further up; yes, some of it is a bit tinfoil hat level, but there are also some points in the article which ring true. Just look at some of the commenting about refugees and immigrants on here over the past few months. That's not discussion, that's thinly-veiled and irrational hatred bubbling out.

The points picked up in the article which relate to that is what I find jarringly accurate.

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Probably alot of them moved somewhere with less immigration after experiencing first hand life in a 'culturally enriched' area.
Nope, most of them are the "I've lived here all my life and it has changed beyond recognition!!!"

"But you only have 0.075% immigration here".

"So?"
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Nope, nope, nope. Time and again it is shown that the areas of the lowest immigration are the places which are most racist.
It's shocking just how biased you are. So now everyone who voted for Brexit or who supports immigration reform is a racist?

Neither of those articles you linked mentioned race - why did you feel the need to?
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Says the fella talking about UK 1970s in his Grandad EF post.
Only to argue that life is much better now than it was. There's people on here that believe it's worse.
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Just pointing out that it's a typical over the top opinion piece comparing the modern day to 1930s Germany. Ticks all the boxes and has all the clichés you'd expect to find. Could have been lifted from the pages of EF.
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