Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Off-Topic > Off-Topic > International affairs/politics  
View Poll Results: Will Trump be a good President?
Yes 88 27.16%
No 236 72.84%
Voters: 324. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #14281  
Old 17.07.2018, 16:29
JagWaugh's Avatar
RIP
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Eglisau
Posts: 7,273
Groaned at 47 Times in 46 Posts
Thanked 14,131 Times in 5,506 Posts
JagWaugh has a reputation beyond reputeJagWaugh has a reputation beyond reputeJagWaugh has a reputation beyond reputeJagWaugh has a reputation beyond reputeJagWaugh has a reputation beyond reputeJagWaugh has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Quote:
View Post
This last week, I can't count how many times I've seen pieces about the normalisation of the lexicon of fascism on mainstream political programmes.
Trump seems to have a different agenda. I think he's working very hard towards a point where language is completely devoid of meaning.
Reply With Quote
The following 5 users would like to thank JagWaugh for this useful post:
  #14282  
Old 17.07.2018, 16:30
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Küsnacht, Switzerland
Posts: 3,630
Groaned at 92 Times in 86 Posts
Thanked 9,954 Times in 4,476 Posts
Blueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

He's awake...

Quote:
Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump
While I had a great meeting with NATO, raising vast amounts of money, I had an even better meeting with Vladimir Putin of Russia. Sadly, it is not being reported that way - the Fake News is going Crazy!
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...25830298456066

Is he claiming that the content of a press conference that was broadcast live Worldwide, is fake news? Nurse!!!
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank Blueangel for this useful post:
  #14283  
Old 17.07.2018, 16:31
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Quote:
View Post
what you see as ingredients for a recipe that offends you, others see as the symptoms of a disease.
Doesn't offend at all, one just rolls ones eye, like 75% of people that read such drivel. When will these "journalists" learn? Stuff like this really turns normal folk off their cause and empowers people like Trump.
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank for this useful post:
  #14284  
Old 17.07.2018, 16:34
marton's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Kt. Zürich
Posts: 9,137
Groaned at 383 Times in 332 Posts
Thanked 15,727 Times in 8,556 Posts
marton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Law of unintended consequences strikes again!

Quote:
Andrea Hance, executive director of the Texas Shrimp Association, said the shrimp industry is short 750 workers and is being crippled by the Trump administration immigration cap.
The state’s shrimp industry heavily depends on hiring workers by using H-2B visas

Hance estimates that 70 percent of the fleet is heading out to the Gulf short-staffed this season.

She added it will cost the state industry $1 million per day, according to The Associated Press.
Source

At his time of US full employment and restrictions on immigration it is difficult to see how US industry will grow without sufficient additional workers.
Or, as in this case, how industry that depends on seasonal workers will maintain their businesses. As we are entering the harvesting season it will be interesting to hear how farmers cope.

There are also now newspaper reports of shortages of truck drivers and airline pilots. People are ever more reluctant to take jobs involving a lot of time away from home unless they are well compensated.
Reply With Quote
  #14285  
Old 17.07.2018, 16:41
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Küsnacht, Switzerland
Posts: 3,630
Groaned at 92 Times in 86 Posts
Thanked 9,954 Times in 4,476 Posts
Blueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Quote:
View Post
When will these "journalists" learn?
You're bother by a journalist when the POTUS is calling his own press conference 'fake news'? Come on Loz! You're brighter than that.
Reply With Quote
  #14286  
Old 17.07.2018, 16:41
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Quote:
View Post
It's shocking just how biased you are. So now everyone who voted for Brexit or who supports immigration reform is a racist?
Crikey, a Brexiteer without the ability to read and comprehend. Well I never.

Quote:
View Post
Neither of those articles you linked mentioned race - why did you feel the need to?
Are you trolling, or genuinely thick?
Reply With Quote
  #14287  
Old 17.07.2018, 16:41
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Quote:
View Post
Doesn't offend at all, one just rolls ones eye, like 75% of people that read such drivel. When will these "journalists" learn? Stuff like this really turns normal folk off their cause and empowers people like Trump.
You don't even need journalists these days. All you have to do is read the tweet-guff tripping off the fingertips of the leader of the free world, never mind his toe-curling performances behind the podiums, to see what's going on behind the scenes.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank for this useful post:
  #14288  
Old 17.07.2018, 16:43
gaburko's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: BL
Posts: 666
Groaned at 109 Times in 74 Posts
Thanked 1,448 Times in 577 Posts
gaburko has a reputation beyond reputegaburko has a reputation beyond reputegaburko has a reputation beyond reputegaburko has a reputation beyond reputegaburko has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Quote:
View Post
He's awake...

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...25830298456066

Is he claiming that the content of a press conference that was broadcast live Worldwide, is fake news? Nurse!!!
This time even FOX is somewhat critical. He's not having many friends left, but then again, if your best buddies are Putin and Kim Jong-un that's not really a surprise. He's accelerated on his downward spiral, which could potentially be good news if it escalates to the point of even the Republicans to prefer impeachment vs. not getting any election won in the next 2 decades. Wishful thinking?
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank gaburko for this useful post:
  #14289  
Old 17.07.2018, 16:50
Banned
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: -
Posts: 247
Groaned at 141 Times in 99 Posts
Thanked 2,085 Times in 996 Posts
kriss kross has earned some respectkriss kross has earned some respect
Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Quote:
View Post
are you talking about illegal immigrants or genuine refugees? The funny thing is those who complain the most about immigration are the least affected by it either. So jog on.
Go to any area which has been enriched, the locals (natives) aren't exactly pining for more immigration

Its usually some middle class twat or out of touch journalist who is telling them how great it all is.
Reply With Quote
This user groans at kriss kross for this post:
  #14290  
Old 17.07.2018, 16:52
TobiasM's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Zürich
Posts: 1,261
Groaned at 184 Times in 132 Posts
Thanked 2,765 Times in 1,280 Posts
TobiasM has a reputation beyond reputeTobiasM has a reputation beyond reputeTobiasM has a reputation beyond reputeTobiasM has a reputation beyond reputeTobiasM has a reputation beyond reputeTobiasM has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Quote:
View Post
Doesn't offend at all, one just rolls ones eye, like 75% of people that read such drivel. When will these "journalists" learn? Stuff like this really turns normal folk off their cause and empowers people like Trump.
I doesn’t turn me off, it tells me I am not alone in feeling these things are actually happening, that’s it’s not a figment of my paranoid imagination. The comparisons with fascism in the thirties are quite accurate. Sure this might not be the same in the sense it’s not pogroming the Jews into ghettos, its not yet rounding up political rivals to be dissapeared to a Gulag. it’s similar in they way distrust is being disseminated and lies are being told to the masses in order to control them, don’t believe in the free press, it’s fake news. Immigration is to blame for all our woes. Etc etc. You get the point though? I am sure you are not that blind to what’s happening. I understand the hate you feel towards an overly PC world, it irritates me too sometimes. But attacking liberal “snowflakes” is part of “their” agenda. You wait you will see.
Reply With Quote
  #14291  
Old 17.07.2018, 16:53
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Geneva
Posts: 541
Groaned at 62 Times in 38 Posts
Thanked 1,101 Times in 634 Posts
Reb77Br has a reputation beyond reputeReb77Br has a reputation beyond reputeReb77Br has a reputation beyond reputeReb77Br has a reputation beyond reputeReb77Br has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Quote:
And yet it was found time and time again that those bleating the loudest that "immigration should be stopped because they are overrun" were living in areas which had little or no immigration.

People hear what they want to hear, read what they want to read, and parrot accordingly. Damn the facts or, in this case, what's in front of their very eyes.
In the run-up to the referendum, I used to visit the official Remain Facebook page quite a lot. There were a lot of Leave supporters posting there (often seeming to outnumber the Remainers) and I remember one woman posting comments about the perils of immigration. Checking her profile, it turned out that she lived in deepest Dorset. When I pointed this out and asked why she was so incensed about immigration, I was accused of being nasty.
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank Reb77Br for this useful post:
  #14292  
Old 17.07.2018, 16:53
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Küsnacht, Switzerland
Posts: 3,630
Groaned at 92 Times in 86 Posts
Thanked 9,954 Times in 4,476 Posts
Blueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Something that stunned me yesterday was Putin's chair gripping body language. The only time I do that is when I know I have to keep my cool and not lose my temper, no matter what.
Reply With Quote
  #14293  
Old 17.07.2018, 16:53
MusicChick's Avatar
modified, reprogrammed and doctored²
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: La Cote
Posts: 14,685
Groaned at 265 Times in 195 Posts
Thanked 17,012 Times in 8,804 Posts
MusicChick has a reputation beyond reputeMusicChick has a reputation beyond reputeMusicChick has a reputation beyond reputeMusicChick has a reputation beyond reputeMusicChick has a reputation beyond reputeMusicChick has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Quote:
View Post
Got any facts to back that up? or is just what your gut tells you?


That we live in the affluent west is an accident of birth and some of that affluence comes from screwing resources out of developing countries both now and in the past, then we complain that all these brown people want to come and live where we live.
Collective guilttrips never solve anything. There are many decent people in the West who do nothing evil to anyone nor do they feel so evilly towards other races, as negatively you tried to paint them. This "accident of birth" as you put it...actually dissmisses one's attitude towards one's national identity. This collective push is marxist. Afluent West is certainly not kind to all if its citizens, as it is.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank MusicChick for this useful post:
  #14294  
Old 17.07.2018, 16:53
amogles's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Zurich
Posts: 10,583
Groaned at 222 Times in 187 Posts
Thanked 21,985 Times in 9,342 Posts
amogles has a reputation beyond reputeamogles has a reputation beyond reputeamogles has a reputation beyond reputeamogles has a reputation beyond reputeamogles has a reputation beyond reputeamogles has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Quote:
View Post
This last week, I can't count how many times I've seen pieces about the normalisation of the lexicon of fascism on mainstream political programmes.
Wrong. We have seen lots of pieces claiming to be about the lexicon of facism without actually looking into that in a wholistic manner but rather cherry picking cliches.

The left is just as if not more complicit in bringing unpleasant terminology out of history books and into political discussions.

But it's just easier to blame others, and then shout whataboustism when somebody holds up a mirror.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank amogles for this useful post:
  #14295  
Old 17.07.2018, 16:55
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Quote:
View Post
Go to any area which has been enriched, the locals (natives) aren't exactly pining for more immigration

Its usually some middle class twat or out of touch journalist who is telling them how great it all is.
I'm sure the Berners were saying the same about you. But look, you're a true beam of sunshine enriching the lives of all you touch.
Reply With Quote
The following 4 users would like to thank for this useful post:
  #14296  
Old 17.07.2018, 16:59
JagWaugh's Avatar
RIP
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Eglisau
Posts: 7,273
Groaned at 47 Times in 46 Posts
Thanked 14,131 Times in 5,506 Posts
JagWaugh has a reputation beyond reputeJagWaugh has a reputation beyond reputeJagWaugh has a reputation beyond reputeJagWaugh has a reputation beyond reputeJagWaugh has a reputation beyond reputeJagWaugh has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Quote:
View Post
Something that stunned me yesterday was Putin's chair gripping body language. The only time I do that is when I know I have to keep my cool and not lose my temper, no matter what.
I noticed that too.

I suspect he was desperately trying not to start laughing maniacally.
Reply With Quote
The following 5 users would like to thank JagWaugh for this useful post:
  #14297  
Old 17.07.2018, 17:03
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Quote:
View Post
Wrong. We have seen lots of pieces claiming to be about the lexicon of facism without actually looking into that in a wholistic manner but rather cherry picking cliches.

The left is just as if not more complicit in bringing unpleasant terminology out of history books and into political discussions.

But it's just easier to blame others, and then shout whataboustism when somebody holds up a mirror.
How do you cope for a description if the people who can't stand the shit show going on at the moment are not politically left?

Do you have to be left to find the whole Trump circus and Brexit disaster a giant facepalm on the great slate of historical events?

Seems "the left" is just a lazy catch-all for "people who don't see things as I do"
Reply With Quote
The following 8 users would like to thank for this useful post:
  #14298  
Old 17.07.2018, 17:06
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Küsnacht, Switzerland
Posts: 3,630
Groaned at 92 Times in 86 Posts
Thanked 9,954 Times in 4,476 Posts
Blueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Quote:
View Post
Wrong. We have seen lots of pieces claiming to be about the lexicon of facism without actually looking into that in a wholistic manner but rather cherry picking cliches.

The left is just as if not more complicit in bringing unpleasant terminology out of history books and into political discussions.
How can you say it's wrong without knowing the reference material?
For reference:
GMB
Sky News
Question Time
This Week
Channel 4 News
Andrew Marr Show
The Politics Show
etc...

Are all of the programmes 'the left'?
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Blueangel for this useful post:
  #14299  
Old 17.07.2018, 17:09
TobiasM's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Zürich
Posts: 1,261
Groaned at 184 Times in 132 Posts
Thanked 2,765 Times in 1,280 Posts
TobiasM has a reputation beyond reputeTobiasM has a reputation beyond reputeTobiasM has a reputation beyond reputeTobiasM has a reputation beyond reputeTobiasM has a reputation beyond reputeTobiasM has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Quote:
View Post
Go to any area which has been enriched, the locals (natives) aren't exactly pining for more immigration

Its usually some middle class twat or out of touch journalist who is telling them how great it all is.
Nobody is saying it’s great, I have mates that grew up in some pretty hideous parts of London, but it’s not “multiculturalism” that made those places miserable, it was a lack of government funding for amenities and schooling, dire housing and higher crime rates because of the neglect. But one thing I can tell you is that those communities are richer and more welcoming then most other communities in the UK. I have also lived in different parts of London, but it’s the ones you would define as an enriched that I have found to be the friendliest. I doesn’t mean I enjoy walking the streets alone at 3am, but I am more scared of being attacked unprovoked by white youth in Kingston at that time of night, then being robbed in Clapham or Willesden or Southal by a refugee. Its a fact that impoverishment creates crime. Maybe if governments stopped giving massive tax breaks to multinationals, they could divest more money into impoverished areas.
Reply With Quote
  #14300  
Old 17.07.2018, 17:10
MusicChick's Avatar
modified, reprogrammed and doctored²
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: La Cote
Posts: 14,685
Groaned at 265 Times in 195 Posts
Thanked 17,012 Times in 8,804 Posts
MusicChick has a reputation beyond reputeMusicChick has a reputation beyond reputeMusicChick has a reputation beyond reputeMusicChick has a reputation beyond reputeMusicChick has a reputation beyond reputeMusicChick has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

There are people who advocate mass movement of foreign populations into new areas in Europe/US, for the sake of "humanity". Instead of West trying to help in the conflict zones, it seems, which would have been the alternative. I am not saying it is a good one since it hasn't been exactly working up until now, either.

The illogical part of is, majority of us are all accepted guests and new citizens of a place, that has imho been the most protectionist about miniscule areas (municipalities even, not only cantons!), and where borders and the respect to native local law and conditions still rule. It has proven to be very economical, the federation of small tight areas blooms. No? Why. Because nobody could ever really get in, unless strictly under quotas or willing to go by these native local rules. Whats gets a ticket on EF as horrible and inhuman racism, is a principle that has made this place into a booming economy and pretty patriotistic culture(s) with national pride. There has never been a moment of open borders here. Jobs are protected by bulletproof licensing, and not just with tough language requirements to weed out foreigners but also filters for relatively local nomads from other cantons. Things are so under control, that this place routinely says no to even these affluent westerners and their maneurism. Why? Racism? Of course not! Define it then, please.
__________________
"L'homme ne peut pas remplacer son coeur avec sa tete, ni sa tete avec ses mains." J.H. Pestalozzi

“The only difference between a rut and a grave is a matter of depth.” S.P. Cadman
Reply With Quote
Reply




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Will Hillary Clinton run for president again? PanFastic International affairs/politics 159 09.10.2018 02:31
Poll: Will Trump win the 2020 elections? k_and_e International affairs/politics 14 05.06.2018 22:06
A generic "will my salary be good enough" post Larsh Employment 51 12.12.2017 12:51
Will Trump be the next US President? Phil_MCR International affairs/politics 2618 14.11.2016 11:16
Shall I inform my employer that I will be self employed or be a owner of a company? Broth76 Business & entrepreneur 6 09.07.2012 16:59


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 15:31.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0