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Old 17.07.2018, 17:58
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Definitely not, but you need to accept that your belief in whatever part of Brexit you liked is stronger than your disagreement with overt racism.

Suppose the racists had been against Brexit. Would you then have been for Brexit?

If not, your position on this argument doesn't make sense.
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It was a vote about Brexit. Not about racism.

Suppose the racists had been against Brexit. Would you then have been for Brexit in order not to share their platform?
That's a bit of a non-sequitur, obviously.

Generally, I try to position myself on the side that the rabid racists aren't. I'm sure on the racist side, there are many fine people, such as yourself though.
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Old 17.07.2018, 18:01
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That's a bit of a non-sequitur, obviously.

Generally, I try to position myself on the side that the rabid racists aren't though. I'm sure on the racist side, there are many fine people, such as yourself though.
OK, if ever it comes to a second vote, all we need to do is pay some racists to be pro EU (only about two people left in the BNP, so not that difficilt) and you will switch sides obediently?

Or is that "different"?
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Old 17.07.2018, 18:03
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Nope, nope, nope. Time and again it is shown that the areas of the lowest immigration are the places which are most racist.

It's almost like not meeting these forrins affords you the distance to pretend they aren't people, like you. It's easy to feel superior when you haven't met any.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...mmigrants.html

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/dateline...-mainly-brexit
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It's shocking just how biased you are. So now everyone who voted for Brexit or who supports immigration reform is a racist?

Neither of those articles you linked mentioned race - why did you feel the need to?
Yep.

I don't care about how many foreigners are here, nor UK. But about the fact, that is almost impossible for majority of folks from elsewhere to simply just show up here. It has nothing to do with race and all to do with protecting one's place in a certain way. Whether Stir calls this Trumpism or others bring Godwin in, it doesn't change the fact that the strict filters of who will be let to contribute here has turned CH in a prosperous place. To bring race in it is daft, as I said multiple times. I am not even against immigration. I am against guit-tripping those who aren't as easily accepting it. I don't like the fact that saying my nation matters is a political faux-pas these days. I think small countries who have not been collonialists might feel that way, not sure.
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OK, if ever it comes to a second vote, all we need to do is pay some racists to be pro EU (only about two people left in the BNP, so not that difficilt) and you will switch sides obediently?
Honestly mate, stop digging.
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I don't care about how many foreigners are here, nor UK. But about the fact, that is almost impossible for majority of folks from elsewhere to simply just show up here. It has nothing to do with race and all to do with protecting one's place in a certain way. Whether Stir calls this Trumpism or others bring Godwin in, it doesn't change the fact that the strict filters of who will be let to contribute here has turned CH in a prosperous place. To bring race in it is daft, as I said multiple times.
Please, please, please...I implore you to actually read what I wrote and look at my sources.

I've proven to you that there are at least twice as many foreign people here as a percentage than in the UK and yet you still persist with your preconceptions.
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LOL at the idea that pro-EU is anti-racist.

... because giving immigration privileges to Swedes and Estonians that are denied to Jamaicans and Pakistanis could never be considered racist...

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Honestly mate, stop digging.
In other words, no.
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Old 17.07.2018, 18:08
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LOL at the idea that pro-EU is anti-racist.

... because giving immigration privileges to Swedes and Estonians that are denied to Jamaicans and Pakistanis could never be considered racist...

Aren't they also denying them to Australia, New Zealand and the USA? Some people will see racism anywhere, eh?
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In other words, no.
OK, you really want to do this, fine.

If 2 notable racists switched to Remain for whatever reason, it would still leave the overwhelming majority in the Leave camp. Isch klar?

The leave campaign wasn't built around xenophobic rhetoric though, so it is unlikely it would attract a similar amount of racists and xenophobes.
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Aren't they also denying them to Australia, New Zealand and the USA? Some people will see racism anywhere, eh?
There's certainly a ton of racism at the heart of the notion of a united Europe, for sure.

Check out the number of minority ethnic MEPs if you like. Then check out how many there will be if Brexit ever happens.
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Old 17.07.2018, 18:11
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I was responding to Bluieangel's post. So ask Blueangel why the facist label came into this.

Look, Blueangel even thanked you for that post. So maybe you two can work that out between you?
Ok, so that makes sense. Maybe quote the relevant person, eh?



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Another tiresome and sweeping generalization?
Agree. But it’s used with wanton abandon on this forum. Funny as, though.
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OK, you really want to do this, fine.

If 2 notable racists switched to Remain for whatever reason, it would still leave the overwhelming majority in the Leave camp. Isch klar?
Aha, finally we are beginning to see.

But let's take this one step further.

So how many would need to switch before you consider switching?
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Agree. But it’s used with wanton abandon on this forum. Funny as, though.
Having read the original article in which the phrase was first used, I like to think I use it appropriately.

Have a look at the World Refugee Day thread if you want to see whether you agree with my use of it.

I can't speak for others.
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Aha, finally we are beginning to see.

But let's take this one step further.

So how many would need to switch before you consider switching?
Again, it's a pretty non-sensical argument. The least racist policy will tend to attract the fewest racist voters, when a racial issue is high on the agenda.
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Old 17.07.2018, 18:17
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Again, it's a pretty non-sensical argument. The least racist policy will tend to attract the fewest racist voters, when a racial issue is high on the agenda.
So you're trying to backpeddle now by adding qualifying criteria?

You previosuly said that a valid reason to support one side is that there are racists on the other side.
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So you're trying to backpeddle now by adding qualifying criteria?

You previosuly said that a valid reason to support one side is that there are racists on the other side.
Good try, what I actually said was...

"Generally, I try to position myself on the side that the rabid racists aren't."

Bit of accuracy please, old chum.
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Old 17.07.2018, 18:31
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Since 1983 you can apply for the UK passsport if you are born there even if your parent isn't a UK citizen. The criteria here are tougher, watch the treads and ovations when one succeeds. Language, exam, community decides based on the level of integration. I wouldn't call it racist. It is not. If people want to control who gets let in the country and under which criteria, it is smart and democratic. It is not racist, and has nothing to do with one's race or ethnic origin. People here vote on everything. To shut up some parts of population and say you have no right to feel protective of your country, is undemocratic. I think race has very little to do with how open people are to changes. Maybe it is behavior..contributions , I don't know, really.

But to argue with people who have all the right to not want changes, that they must accept it, based on some vague guilt-trip and mess caused by incompetent governments decades ago or current ones in the places of conflict, will just reinforce people against the change.
Your information is long out of date. For a UK passport you also need language expertise & sufficient knowledge of the UK - of which there is a formal exam
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Only to argue that life is much better now than it was. There's people on here that believe it's worse.
Yes, I know.. was only teasing you.

Don't throw out those denim flares and sunglasses though. You'll be able to kick back with Corby soon, eh?
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Just pointing out that it's a typical over the top opinion piece comparing the modern day to 1930s Germany. Ticks all the boxes and has all the clichés you'd expect to find. Could have been lifted from the pages of EF.
Ahh but we know history is not your strong point (Rosa Parks anyone?) if it was you would realise that "Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it". The descent into totalitarianism is a gradual creep. Are you saying you don't see any parallels? none? Spanky is following the dictator handbook to the letter, the only question is whether the US is strong enough to resist.

Imagine Spanky came to power in somewhere with less checks and balances than the US, imagine he took over from Kim Jong Un, do you think he would instigate programs of reform, or revel in military parades and continue the human rights abuses?

Your argument is an understandable one, 'we're not Nazi Germany' but no one is, until they are.
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