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Old 17.07.2018, 18:11
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I was responding to Bluieangel's post. So ask Blueangel why the facist label came into this.

Look, Blueangel even thanked you for that post. So maybe you two can work that out between you?
Ok, so that makes sense. Maybe quote the relevant person, eh?



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Another tiresome and sweeping generalization?
Agree. But it’s used with wanton abandon on this forum. Funny as, though.
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Old 17.07.2018, 18:11
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OK, you really want to do this, fine.

If 2 notable racists switched to Remain for whatever reason, it would still leave the overwhelming majority in the Leave camp. Isch klar?
Aha, finally we are beginning to see.

But let's take this one step further.

So how many would need to switch before you consider switching?
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Old 17.07.2018, 18:13
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Agree. But it’s used with wanton abandon on this forum. Funny as, though.
Having read the original article in which the phrase was first used, I like to think I use it appropriately.

Have a look at the World Refugee Day thread if you want to see whether you agree with my use of it.

I can't speak for others.
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Aha, finally we are beginning to see.

But let's take this one step further.

So how many would need to switch before you consider switching?
Again, it's a pretty non-sensical argument. The least racist policy will tend to attract the fewest racist voters, when a racial issue is high on the agenda.
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Old 17.07.2018, 18:17
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Again, it's a pretty non-sensical argument. The least racist policy will tend to attract the fewest racist voters, when a racial issue is high on the agenda.
So you're trying to backpeddle now by adding qualifying criteria?

You previosuly said that a valid reason to support one side is that there are racists on the other side.
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So you're trying to backpeddle now by adding qualifying criteria?

You previosuly said that a valid reason to support one side is that there are racists on the other side.
Good try, what I actually said was...

"Generally, I try to position myself on the side that the rabid racists aren't."

Bit of accuracy please, old chum.
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Old 17.07.2018, 18:31
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Since 1983 you can apply for the UK passsport if you are born there even if your parent isn't a UK citizen. The criteria here are tougher, watch the treads and ovations when one succeeds. Language, exam, community decides based on the level of integration. I wouldn't call it racist. It is not. If people want to control who gets let in the country and under which criteria, it is smart and democratic. It is not racist, and has nothing to do with one's race or ethnic origin. People here vote on everything. To shut up some parts of population and say you have no right to feel protective of your country, is undemocratic. I think race has very little to do with how open people are to changes. Maybe it is behavior..contributions , I don't know, really.

But to argue with people who have all the right to not want changes, that they must accept it, based on some vague guilt-trip and mess caused by incompetent governments decades ago or current ones in the places of conflict, will just reinforce people against the change.
Your information is long out of date. For a UK passport you also need language expertise & sufficient knowledge of the UK - of which there is a formal exam
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Only to argue that life is much better now than it was. There's people on here that believe it's worse.
Yes, I know.. was only teasing you.

Don't throw out those denim flares and sunglasses though. You'll be able to kick back with Corby soon, eh?
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Just pointing out that it's a typical over the top opinion piece comparing the modern day to 1930s Germany. Ticks all the boxes and has all the clichés you'd expect to find. Could have been lifted from the pages of EF.
Ahh but we know history is not your strong point (Rosa Parks anyone?) if it was you would realise that "Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it". The descent into totalitarianism is a gradual creep. Are you saying you don't see any parallels? none? Spanky is following the dictator handbook to the letter, the only question is whether the US is strong enough to resist.

Imagine Spanky came to power in somewhere with less checks and balances than the US, imagine he took over from Kim Jong Un, do you think he would instigate programs of reform, or revel in military parades and continue the human rights abuses?

Your argument is an understandable one, 'we're not Nazi Germany' but no one is, until they are.
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Collective guilttrips never solve anything. There are many decent people in the West who do nothing evil to anyone nor do they feel so evilly towards other races, as negatively you tried to paint them. This "accident of birth" as you put it...actually dissmisses one's attitude towards one's national identity. This collective push is marxist. Afluent West is certainly not kind to all if its citizens, as it is.
Hold the front page, Musicchick misinterprets something.

Didn't say that, didn't mention guilt, you did, which says lots, didn't mention evil either. My point was that our lives are a matter of chance, good or bad, we didn't create this affluent western lifestyle; we were born into it, I don't feel guilty to be born in the developed world, but I don't need to feel guitly to feel compassion, the two are not mutually exclusive, capisci?
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Never mind the immigrants, when are we going to do something about the leftists?
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Old 17.07.2018, 19:25
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Crikey, a Brexiteer without the ability to read and comprehend. Well I never.


Are you trolling, or genuinely thick?
Typical.

Will you answer the question or simply attempt to deflect and insult once again?
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Never mind the immigrants, when are we going to do something about the leftists?
Right after the ones who's avatars have red hats.

(Have to be finished the job before Christmas.)
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Old 17.07.2018, 19:57
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Never mind the immigrants, when are we going to do something about the leftists?
There we go, those who constantly seem to bring the race into the debate are....left or right?

Those who constantly stoop down to insults are...left or right?
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Old 17.07.2018, 20:03
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Hold the front page, Musicchick misinterprets something.

Didn't say that, didn't mention guilt, you did, which says lots, didn't mention evil either. My point was that our lives are a matter of chance, good or bad, we didn't create this affluent western lifestyle; we were born into it, I don't feel guilty to be born in the developed world, but I don't need to feel guitly to feel compassion, the two are not mutually exclusive, capisci?
Why do you even mention compassion, what has that anything to do with foreign policy? Have you tried it on a Migros cashier? How about your professor?

You make it sound that you have it while your opponents do not. That's a quite a leap of logic.

Another thing is this "being born into" notion. To assume it is haphasard and by complete chance that some westerners feel or are indeed fortunate...not everyone feels nor lives this way. Nor everybody in the EU, either. Not everybody in the US. We are not born into the world by haphasard, where, why and to whom we are born matters. I think to be told to ignore it is not really welcoming the spirit of acceptance and integrity, one's identity is a complex deal for most folks. This pan-European vague idea of an identity looks good in theory but practically doesn't exist.

Do you welcome all diverse opinions by calling them "misinterpretations"? How long do people stick to talking to you?
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Lol...it is a real treat to listen to an affluent westerner giving me a lecture on fascists. We, non affluent EEs, actually lived that crap. Sell your guilt trip elsewhere.
You, a non-affluent Eastern European, actually lived under fascism. Is that what you're saying? Because unless you were alive in the 1940s and living in Romania, Slovakia, or Hungary, I really don't think you've ever experienced Eastern European fascism.

What you did experience is the exact opposite.
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Spanky "Flip-flop" Trump now claims he "misspoke" at his press conference and that actually, he sees no reason why it was not Russia that meddled in the presidential election in the US.

It must be difficult, simultaneously sucking up to Putin, FOX News and Middle America. So many lies balls to keep in the air at the same time.
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And now a fresh flip-flop from Spanky: all of a sudden there's no rush to finalise nuclear disarmament in North Korea. Trump had previously repeatedly stated that denuclearisation should commence "without delay", but after months of absolutely nothing happening, he now says that there is "no time limit... no speed limit" and any negotiations will be "probably a longer process than anybody would like".

So now that Kim has said "no, go away" when Spanky told him to hand over his weapons, Trump has found himself painted into a corner. It must be a familiar situation for him by now.

Trump looking petulant is starting to look very familiar, too.

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