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Lol.
You lol this but don't lol Trump's "would / wouldn't" grovelling press conference?



Genuinely, though, I have to applaud the blind loyalty. It's a thing of beauty.
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Dem senator: Trump-Putin translator should tell Congress what was said

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Poor Sod (the translator)! Talk about being between a rock and a hard place.
Are the reports saying it was one translator? If so, I wonder which side provided him/her. It would surely be more usual to have two.
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I wish.
Everybody here is entitled to their opinions but without credible sources they only give the impression they were somehow brainwashed by Trump
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Everybody here is entitled to their opinions but without credible sources they only give the impression they were somehow brainwashed by Trump
Trump seems to have broken you more than anyone else
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Are the reports saying it was one translator? If so, I wonder which side provided him/her. It would surely be more usual to have two.
I assume two as otherwise with only one translator the negotiating parties would never know if the translator was translating correctly or playing a game.

Anyway I assume super high IQ Trump had his translator sign a confidentiality agreement before the summit.

Probably Putin's translator came from a highly trusted Russian intelligence agency whereas Trump's?
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Trump seems to have broken you more than anyone else
So without any evidence being presented to the contrary we have to conclude CNN are a legitimate news source?
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Probably Putin's translator came from a highly trusted Russian intelligence agency whereas Trump's?
Probably also from a highly trusted Russian intelligence agency...
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Probably also from a highly trusted Russian intelligence agency...
Probably supplied free of charge by Fox News
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Surely it would have to be someone whose first language is English to cope with Trump's deconstructed grammatical style.
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So many people at the higher ends of intelligence loved my press conference performance in Helsinki.
Putin and I discussed many important subjects at our earlier meeting.
We got along well which truly bothered many haters who wanted to see a boxing match.
Big results will come!

11:53 AM - 18 Jul 2018
Trump admits his own supporters did not love his performance

"people at the higher ends of intelligence" Developing his own unique language? I suppose he meant "highly intelligent people"?
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Surely it would have to be someone whose first language is English to cope with Trump's deconstructed grammatical style.
Sure, if they were translating all the words correctly and didn't have their own script to follow...





/flippancy mode off
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Trump admits his own supporters did not love his performance

"people at the higher ends of intelligence" Developing his own unique language? I suppose he meant "highly intelligent people"?
It's hard to know if there is actually an end to intelligence. It is much easier to see that there is no limit to stupidity, however.
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You lol this but don't lol Trump's "would / wouldn't" grovelling press conference?



Genuinely, though, I have to applaud the blind loyalty. It's a thing of beauty.
There is absolutely nothing to LOL about Trump's "would/wouldn't"

(I too loled the CNN remark though )

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Probably supplied free of charge by Fox News
Nope, in that case we would all know what has been said.
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Surely it would have to be someone whose first language is English to cope with Trump's deconstructed grammatical style.
Wouldn't it be easier to cope if English wasn't their first language?

Wait...

I mean, would it be easier to cope if English was their first language.

Umm...

There are many languages.... sooooo many languages.

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Sure, if they were translating all the words correctly and didn't have their own script to follow...


/flippancy mode off
Seriously for a moment, the challenge for a translator is not to simply translate the words.
The words then have to be assembled into a sentence that conforms to the grammar rules of the other language plus conveying the original meaning.

Cofveve
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Like I said, the links are tenuous at best.


No, no they are not, you are comparing a move toward a totalitarian state with an established tolitarian state, why can't you get that these things don't happen overnight? just because Spanks isn't currently at the finish line doesn't mean he's not striding purposely toward it. Do you know who said "If you pluck a chicken one feather at a time no one will notice"? Mussolini.


Naomi wolf wrote a great article on this back in 2007, she identified that in history every dictator takes the same steps.
  1. Invoke a terrifying internal and external enemy. - Immigrants, Muslims, EU
  2. Create secret prisons where torture takes place. - Predates Spanky
  3. Develop a thug caste or paramilitary force not answerable to citizens. - Tolerance of neo nazis and white supremacists
  4. Set up an internal surveillance system. - Predates Spanky
  5. Harass citizens' groups. - Definition of terrorism expanded to include protest groups.
  6. Engage in arbitrary detention and release. - Not yet I think
  7. Target key individuals. - Hell yeah, Mueller, Mccabe, Comey, Rosenstein, the list is huge.
  8. Control the press. - Fox is in his pocket, anyone else is 'fake news'
  9. Cast criticism as espionage and dissent as treason. - 'Enemies of the people'
  10. Subvert the rule of law. - daily
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

So would / wouldn't was a slip of the tongue, I wonder where else that tongue was slipped during his one-on-one with Putin.
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Why do you even mention compassion, what has that anything to do with foreign policy? Have you tried it on a Migros cashier? How about your professor?

You make it sound that you have it while your opponents do not. That's a quite a leap of logic.

Another thing is this "being born into" notion. To assume it is haphasard and by complete chance that some westerners feel or are indeed fortunate...not everyone feels nor lives this way. Nor everybody in the EU, either. Not everybody in the US. We are not born into the world by haphasard, where, why and to whom we are born matters. I think to be told to ignore it is not really welcoming the spirit of acceptance and integrity, one's identity is a complex deal for most folks. This pan-European vague idea of an identity looks good in theory but practically doesn't exist.

Do you welcome all diverse opinions by calling them "misinterpretations"? How long do people stick to talking to you?

Sorry, this is gibberish, I don't have time to try and work out what you are failing to say, Migros cashier? my professor? what? just what?
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Sorry, this is gibberish, I don't have time to try and work out what you are failing to say, Migros cashier? my professor? what? just what?
Reading it for the fifth time I think there was some mis-translation of "haphasard".

MC - birth is indeed haphazard, in that you don't control where, when and to whom you are born. Haphazard means "random".

As for the "identity being a complex deal" thing. Sorry, no idea what that's about.
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Seriously for a moment, the challenge for a translator is not to simply translate the words.
The words then have to be assembled into a sentence that conforms to the grammar rules of the other language plus conveying the original meaning.

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That is the crux! Can a translator just tell the other party "never mind, the last ten minutes was BS with no meaning"?

I know translators I used tried that with me (because they were embarrassed)
Guess that's when I went "all Putin" and insisted
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