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And now all of a sudden GWB is the good giuy and people who used to compare him to Hitler are sharing his inspirational quotes on Facebook.

I predict that they will be quoting Trump as soon as he starts criticizing the next unpopular Republican to move into the White House.
Will they look softly and nostalgically back, ponder over selftanners, tupee, biggly and Melanie's UK skirt?

I bet by the time the world gets over the extreme reaction to him, he will have some decent work to show. I think he is honest in that aspect. And nobody wants to give him Nobel prize. How did Obama get it, remind me?
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Sarcasm. People are so into him (in a good and bad way) because he choses to occupy them exactly as they need. Rule no. 1 of media popularity. I gotta give it to him, despite disliking the whole circus, but it looks like he gets stuff done. Plus, nobody else made Putin nervous before, осторожно!
Hell of a risky approach to build your popularity by acting like you've had a frontal lobotomy most of the time, though. Gone are the days when politicians at least tried to keep up a facade of competence, now the prize goes to the person that likes to convince the media he can't tie his own shoe laces or string a coherent sentence together.

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Yep. And if he did not matter to people they would choose to ignore him. Which they do not. Ignoring Trump is the only thing that could possibly slow him down, I think. He is feeding off controversy, and if he runs out of it he tweets for some more. It is not dumb, takes very little time/effort/cash. In the meantime he is doing his presidential stuff.
Of course he is

Naturally he can't be ignored. Guess ignoring a jumbo who's pilot has gone unconscious would be a good idea?
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And now all of a sudden GWB is the good guy and people who used to compare him to Hitler are sharing his inspirational quotes on Facebook.

I predict that they will be quoting Trump as soon as he starts criticizing the next unpopular Republican to move into the White House.
Like that Swiss guy Einstein said "Everything is relative"
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Will they look softly and nostalgically back, ponder over selftanners, tupee, biggly and Melanie's UK skirt?

I bet by the time the world gets over the extreme reaction to him, he will have some decent work to show. I think he is honest in that aspect. And nobody wants to give him Nobel prize. How did Obama get it, remind me?
Strange how Trump has somehow managed to set his model comparison to be with Obama!
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Well, there are a couple of points.

He couldn't care less about people calling him names.

Out of all the people out there, he is pulling it all off. How do I know? Because he keeps doing it. It is steady and it is him. People wouldn't own up to voting him, just as people don't own up to slowly starting to trust him.

In all the hysterics that is out there, right now - he is the least panicky. And I think it makes people actually focus on progress, instead of obstructing him and sabotaging him.

People got busy with outrage and exhausted themselves. The collective and social aspect of it and group dynamics has toned down, the noise was tiring for everybody.

I never thought he was dumb. I dislike most of the schtick but it seems necessary?
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

On the fake news topic;
A White House stenographer says she resigned over the Trump administration's lack of respect for her office and Trump's refusal to allow stenographers in the room for meetings and interviews with some journalists that crossed a line.

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"Mr. Trump likes to call anyone who disagrees with him 'fake news.' But if he’s really the victim of so much inaccurate reporting, why is he so averse to having the facts recorded and transcribed?"
"Perhaps he didn’t fully understand the role of the stenographer. That would make sense, since his administration had rebuffed every invitation from the Obama transition team during an inherently stressful time, including to learn how to keep the lights on," she wrote.

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Of course he is

Naturally he can't be ignored. Guess ignoring a jumbo who's pilot has gone unconscious would be a good idea?
Have you actually noticed what he did with the real scary headless nuclear chickens: Kim and Putin? Or are you busy entertaining yourself with your vivid metaphor?

He is after the trade mainly but violence is always in the way of a good business.
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Well, there are a couple of points.

He couldn't care less about people calling him names.

Out of all the people out there, he is pulling it all off. How do I know? Because he keeps doing it. It is steady and it is him. People wouldn't own up to voting him, just as people don't own up to slowly starting to trust him.

In all the hysterics that is out there, right now - he is the least panicky. And I think it makes people actually focus on progress, instead of obstructing him and sabotaging him.

People got busy with outrage and exhausted themselves. The collective and social aspect of it and group dynamics has toned down, the noise was tiring for everybody.

I never thought he was dumb. I dislike most of the schtick but it seems necessary?
OK, so lets take away all the noise from the media (or "fake news", as he prefers to refer to it), take away all the piss-taking online and here on EF. Pretend it doesn't happen. If you take away all of that and just view Trump as the man, do you honestly think he has achieved much?

Can you even make a list of what he has successfully achieved since he became president?

You make a lot of assumptions about what people are thinking and how they are perceived but there's not much substance and fact to your posting.

Do you know he doesn't care about being called names? The evidence would suggest otherwise but you seem to know better.

Is he really "pulling it off"?
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He's pulling something, just don't think I can say what in mixed company.
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Hell of a risky approach to build your popularity by acting like you've had a frontal lobotomy most of the time, though. Gone are the days when politicians at least tried to keep up a facade of competence, now the prize goes to the person that likes to convince the media he can't tie his own shoe laces or string a coherent sentence together.

#winning...
It doesn't have to be that way, and I definitely hope things will normalize again and future presidents will exercise more decorum.

I don't at all like the thought of a spawn of Trump wannabees, thinking they can do what he did by copying his style. But alas I think we may see a phase of that. But that will pass.

At worst he's a fool, and at best he's a super genius tactically pretending to be a fool. and in all probability he's somewhere on a sliding scale between the two. That scale doesn't have a Hitler point. People need to see some perspective here.
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Yup.

Plus his aura appears to be making Europe great again too!
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He's a full-blown narcissist. Nothing really complicated about him at all.
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He's a full-blown narcissist. Nothing really complicated about him at all.
He is very American. He is very idiosyncratic and individualistic. But the culture has been going that direction past few decades. His slogans for pulling people together to work together towards improvements, though, have very little Trump in them. He makes is about "us" which I think is actually starting to melt some ego focused, individualistic aspects in Americal life.

What he has achieved? He gave credit to engaging in debates about previously taboo issues, he has open the door for calling things with real names and not just good sounding, unreal pc names. He acknowledges merit instead of entitlement, giving everybody a fair start. To offer merit instead of identity politics and opression olympics rehabilitates, overall. It gives people credit they deserve, not based on race/gender/etc but it is results of people's work that earns them respect. Not affirmative action or quotas that will stigmatize them later even more and deprives them of credibility. He has approached North Korea, Russia and China with pretty solid clear message, inviting further work. He has sent a message to people willing to risk their lives and the lives of their children hoping for illegal immigration, that US wants to 1st address already existing illegal immigration and the costs envolved. He has sent a message to countries producing terrorist threat that the consequences are not so hard to immediately apply. He is trying to motivate home producers about bringing manufacturing back home. He has asked NATO members to step up, so yanks don't have to play the world's cop.

There is probably an equal amount of things he could have done better or shouldn't have done at all, and I see it, everyone does. His style of politics irks me. But Trump is Trump. People who think they can yell at potus to achieve change or insult him or his voters...I don't think it is working. Even if he is taken down now, I think there are processes already started that will revise quite a few things.

Amogles - totally agree with people possibly thinking cash or big orange tactless mouth is all they need to imitate Trump's presidency. But that's because it is still fashionable to just poop on Trump and his apparent mental ills without actually looking beneath all this circus. People are trying to one up one another by who will humiliate Trump more. I also think he did have to choose this abnoxious and ostentatious theater in order to have people pause in their automated cliches and to have people pay attention, I do think it is meant more towards the outside world, the unpredictable potus, not really towards his own citizens.
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He is very American. He is very idiosyncratic and individualistic. But the culture has been going that direction past few decades. His slogans for pulling people together to work together towards improvements, though, have very little Trump in them. He makes is about "us" which I think is actually starting to melt some ego focused, individualistic aspects in Americal life.

What he has achieved? He gave credit to engaging in debates about previously taboo issues, he has open the door for calling things with real names and not just good sounding, unreal pc names. He acknowledges merit instead of entitlement, giving everybody a fair start. To offer merit instead of identity politics and opression olympics rehabilitates, overall. It gives people credit they deserve, not based on race/gender/etc but it is resukts of people's work that earns them respect. Not affirmative action or quotas. He has approached North Korea, Russia and China with pretty solid clear message, inviting further work. He has sent a message to people willing to risk their lives and the lives of their children hoping for illegal immigration, that US wants to 1st address already existing illegal immigration and the costs envolved. He has sent a message to countries producing terrorist threat that the consequences are not so hard to immediately apply. He is trying to motivate home producers about bringing manufacturing back home.

There is probably an equal amount of things he could have done better or shouldn't have done at all, and I see it, everyone does. His style of politics irks me. But Trump is Trump. People who think they can yell at potus to achieve change or insult him or his voters...I don't think it is working. Even if he is taken down now, I think there are processes already started that will revise quite a few things.

Amogles - totally agree with people possibly thinking cash or big orange tactless mouth is all they need to imitate Trump's presidency. But that's because it is still fashionable to just poop on Trump and his apparent mentail ills without actually looking beneath all this circus. People are trying to one up one another by who will humiliate Trump more. I also think he did have to choose this abnoxious and ostentatious theater in order to have people pause in their automated cliches and to have people pay attention, I do think it is meant more towards the outside world, the unpredictable potus, not really towards his own citizens.
None of the stuff you have written is remotely quantifiable, though. It’s all talk. “Sending messages”? Encouraging people to use less pc language?

Sounds more like some jobsworth in HR than the POTUS.

Has he actually achieved anything presidential, though?
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It doesn't have to be that way, and I definitely hope things will normalize again and future presidents will exercise more decorum.

I don't at all like the thought of a spawn of Trump wannabees, thinking they can do what he did by copying his style. But alas I think we may see a phase of that. But that will pass.

At worst he's a fool, and at best he's a super genius tactically pretending to be a fool. and in all probability he's somewhere on a sliding scale between the two. That scale doesn't have a Hitler point. People need to see some perspective here.
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I don't know what you've been drinking MC, but in this heat I'd advise you to stop.
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None of the stuff you have written is remotely quantifiable, though. It’s all talk. “Sending messages”? Encouraging people to use less pc language?

Sounds more like some jobsworth in HR than the POTUS.

Has he actually achieved anything presidential, though?
The whole thread is full of that info.

HR? If their main mission is to make people work together, than it is probably not so bad for potus's mission, either.
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He's a full-blown narcissist. Nothing really complicated about him at all.
He's a blank wobbly canvas that folks can project their idealogy onto..

Sometimes I think folks are tripping and when he speaks nonsense, they react with *Wow!!* in full drug-love mode.. *So, deep man! He's gonna save us..*

Pass the spliff, eh?
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