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..... He is trying to motivate home producers about bringing manufacturing back home. .......
With full employment and a block on immigration then how will such producers man their factories?

Anyway in the real world; Harley, BMW and Tesla have all announced moving their production out.

Carrier made air conditioners and other equipment at a plant in Indianapolis for 60 years. When they announced it was moving to Mexico, the president stepped in and saved the plant. Today they are down to 700 workers and their jobs are only safe until 2020.

True several auto manufacturers have announced they will bring jobs back to the US or invest more in US production but this is all now in doubt due to Trump's trade tariffs.

It is difficult to find numbers, according to this site half a million jobs returned to the US since 2010 but the majority of this was due to pre-Trump decisions.
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The whole thread is full of that info.

HR? If their main mission is to make people work together, than it is probably not so bad for potus's mission, either.
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Lot of people still thinks that he should try harder to make himself understood. He would if he saw the need to actually persuade anyone. He only goes for visibility and broadening the platform for the positive "let's work together on progress" messages. The reaction he gets from opponents is never positive nor constructive, the tone is starting to tire everybody out. To throw negative parties and flame-war sermons can only entertain for so long. People want to drink his constructive Kool-Aid, the other one tastes mean.
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He only goes for visibility and broadening the platform for the positive "let's work together on progress" messages. The reaction he gets from opponents is never positive nor constructive, the tone is starting to tire everybody out. To throw negative parties and flame-war sermons can only entertain for so long. People want to drink his constructive Kool-Aid, the other one tastes mean.
You're kidding, right?

The man goes out of his way to insult and inflame.

Stop trying to sell him as if he is some kind of misunderstood Jimmy Carter.
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You're kidding, right?

The man goes out of his way to insult and inflame.
That is exactly what people say when they are being opposed and cannot take it. Selfrighteousness will do that.

"I disagree with you"
"Why do you insult me and inflame this issue?"

This reaction is typical. He could really work with better vocabulary..but he doesn't have to. His "insults" are often just lack of decorum and I suspect potus does it on purpose. Like Melanie did, that UK suit did look fab on her, btw, Trump is terrible for showing her butt off. She's got probably more class than he does.

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You sound like I am trying to sell him. Why would I?
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That is exactly what people say when they are being opposed and cannot take it. Selfrighteousness will do that.

"I disagree with you"
"Why do you insult me and inflame this issue?"

This reaction is typical. He could really work with better vocabulary..but he doesn't have to. His "insults" are often just lack of decorum and I suspect potus does it on purpose. Like Melanie did, that UK suit did look fab on her, btw, Trump is terrible for showing her butt off. She's got probably more class than he does.



You sound like I am trying to sell him. Why would I?
It's not that I cannot take opposition, similarly not self-righteousness.

Far more that he's just a salesman, an "It" that doesn't even "stink excuse me".

Lack of decorum? Yeltsin had a lack of decorum, but he was at least a drunk.

I've no issue with Melania, and I also think that she has more class than Trump. Mind you, Trump's not far off from a dock licking it's balls, so it's an easy win for her.

It beats my why you see something positive which simply isn't there.
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Lot of people still thinks that he should try harder to make himself understood. He would if he saw the need to actually persuade anyone. He only goes for visibility and broadening the platform for the positive "let's work together on progress" messages. The reaction he gets from opponents is never positive nor constructive, the tone is starting to tire everybody out.
Well the way he treats his close supporters possibly discourages support from opponents, look at the turn over of people in the White House and his Cabinet.

And if he wants people to work together then why did he close so many Presidential advisory boards?
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It's not that I cannot take opposition, similarly not self-righteousness.
Could be but he doesn't have to take it from anyone he pleases, while people attribute some kind of duty for him to negotiate with them and he gives them a middle finger. Worse than a dog licking balls, innit.

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Far more that he's just a salesman, an "It" that doesn't even "stink excuse me".
It looks like politics is all about trade. May should have been stronger saleswoman, Hillary should have - they would have succeeded, maybe sad truth.

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Because people did not vote him without thinking. It wasn't an accident. They were unhappy with something he says isn't happy with. The way people echo together, refusing him and mudslinging - can defocus them from progress, irrespectively of Trump.

And because it is done, it doesn't have to be so bad, in the end. Silver lining. I wouldn't last too long singing kumbaya with somebody over how attrocious something is or humiliating somebody and discreditting like anti-Trump activists. It beats me why people see only negative stuff with Trump.
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Lot of people still thinks that he should try harder to make himself understood. He would if he saw the need to actually persuade anyone. He only goes for visibility and broadening the platform for the positive "let's work together on progress" messages. The reaction he gets from opponents is never positive nor constructive, the tone is starting to tire everybody out. To throw negative parties and flame-war sermons can only entertain for so long. People want to drink his constructive Kool-Aid, the other one tastes mean.
On one hand, he has no need of persuasion, but on the other he wants everyone to work together? Seems at cross purposes.

Framing the opposition as mean over and over, claiming that opposition tires everyone out and that people want to drink his cool aid is a subtle way of damping down the opposition. Very un American.
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It does to you, yeah.

"Let's be productive together" instead of negative rhetorics gives him an advantage. The opposition just waits reactively for yet another thing he has done that they could criticise, it may give them a feeling of being experts, because the negative criticism is quite elaborate at times, but at the end of the day - Trump and his people will have results of "work together" and his critics will have just that negative report, not even alternatives. This attitude disadvantages them. En plus, it really is hostile. It is not impartial. Switch on CNN for a min. Trump's main message is MAGA. His opponents carry a main message that just simply negates somebody else's message: stupid Trump, ill Trump, stupid MAGA. It becomes noise after while and pushes people towards Trump even if they don't own up to it. And true, not owning up to a belief isn't American. The times are changing.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

When I was following the Republican primaries' debate, Trump was probably in the bottom of my list if I were an American voter for reasons too long to describe here (I'm also a fan of Ron/Rand Paul). That being said, since I follow politics in three different countries, I started to get sick by the level of dishonest of the mainstream media, the selective "copy and paste" while translating news from America, and the blatantly infiltrated cultural Marxism.

Because of that, from a total aversion for Trump, I little by little started to admire his explicitness. Take this interview for example, where in the European or American liberal media they are stating the truth that the EU and China put much higher tariffs on American products or that the NATO is basically funded by the USA to protect Europe?




The USA has guaranteed the safety of Europe for more than 70 years and what you hear the most in the Italian newspapers is "how imperialist America is...". Seriously, do you guys really think that Europe is today what it is if it was not by the American military presence? Imagine Frenchs, Germans, Italians, etc., teaming up to confront the Soviet Union or Russia in a war...
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The USA has guaranteed the safety of Europe for more than 70 years and what you hear the most in the Italian newspapers is "how imperialist America is...". Seriously, do you guys really think that Europe is today what it is if it was not by the American military presence? Imagine Frenchs, Germans, Italians, etc., teaming up to confront the Soviet Union or Russia in a war...
When you ask a European why some kid from Nebraska should die in a European conflict, the best answer you get is "Well they can't wait to start a war anyway."

Decrying American Imperialism, then when some conflict starts in your back yard staring at your navel until the good old Yanks show up has been old for a while.
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When I was following the Republican primaries' debate, Trump was probably in the bottom of my list if I were an American voter for reasons too long to describe here (I'm also a fan of Ron/Rand Paul). That being said, since I follow politics in three different countries, I started to get sick by the level of dishonest of the mainstream media, the selective "copy and paste" while translating news from America, and the blatantly infiltrated cultural Marxism.

Because of that, from a total aversion for Trump, I little by little started to admire his explicitness. Take this interview for example, where in the European or American liberal media they are stating the truth that the EU and China put much higher tariffs on American products or that the NATO is basically funded by the USA to protect Europe?

The USA has guaranteed the safety of Europe for more than 70 years and what you hear the most in the Italian newspapers is "how imperialist America is...". Seriously, do you guys really think that Europe is today what it is if it was not by the American military presence? Imagine Frenchs, Germans, Italians, etc., teaming up to confront the Soviet Union or Russia in a war...
Do not allow yourself to get misled by cherry picking of tariffs to support an argument! According to the World Bank here the average tariff charged by the EU is 2.5% whereas the average tariff charged by the USA is 2.9%

As to NATO, the US motivation is clear! If it comes to a war with Russia they want to fight it in Europe and so not have the consequent destruction at home.
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When you ask a European why some kid from Nebraska should die in a European conflict, the best answer you get is "Well they can't wait to start a war anyway."

Decrying American Imperialism, then when some conflict starts in your back yard staring at your navel until the good old Yanks show up has been old for a while.
Would you allow them a change of mind?
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Would you allow them a change of mind?
I would hardly criticise the status quo if I didn't want it to change, would I?
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OK, so lets take away all the noise from the media (or "fake news", as he prefers to refer to it), take away all the piss-taking online and here on EF. Pretend it doesn't happen. If you take away all of that and just view Trump as the man, do you honestly think he has achieved much?

Can you even make a list of what he has successfully achieved since he became president?

You make a lot of assumptions about what people are thinking and how they are perceived but there's not much substance and fact to your posting.

Do you know he doesn't care about being called names? The evidence would suggest otherwise but you seem to know better.

Is he really "pulling it off"?
When I take all that away I see a very confused, lonely old man. Actually sometimes he appears like an actor who is frantically trying to figure out what movie he's actually in. More than once I caught myself feeling sorry for him. For a second or two.

I must say, today was interesting. So far the Trump supporters just hollered "yeah" to every ridiculous thing he spouted.

But now we got someone who reads intelligent, smart and professional moves into his stumbling from one disaster into an other. Actually sees a system in it. I mean, the guy is basically an intellectual yet at the same time so down to earth that he foresees exactly how to get where he is - in a wise sense - aiming at. In the long run! His ability of planning and designing the future of this world (and it's gonna be a good one, not a bad one, a good one) is so outstanding that it has never before been witnessed = no wonder most of us think it's chaos and embarrassing. All geniuses have suffered this - and Trump is a genius. He told us so himself.

Somehow I could say I saw the light today. Not that I now suddenly agree with the above. But there are ACTUALLY people who think like that.
Not the mob, who's happy someone "up there" "speaks their language" finally but people who - 80% of the time - make sense to me.

Now - taking martons mention of Einstein and the matter of perspective into consideration (which I truly support ) where the f*** do I need to position myself to get at least a glimps of that conclusion about Trump? I did think I already looked at it from all sides yet obviously not.

The only thing I realized today is that I did not look at the Trump supporters from all sides yet.


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Have you actually noticed what he did with the real scary headless nuclear chickens: Kim and Putin? Or are you busy entertaining yourself with your vivid metaphor?

He is after the trade mainly but violence is always in the way of a good business.
I've got a glimpse of what they did with him.

And I never thought it possible. (That's actually a good thing (that it's possible) - for those who got to used to this additional advice )
The other good thing is to see that no matter how dizzy the so called most powerful man in the world gets, America carries on with daily business. This is more than soothing.

And that might be the good thing that comes from this Trump-time. The only one imho. The knowledge America can function for months without a president. Better still, even with a disturbing (disturbed? ) one.
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When I was following the Republican primaries' debate, Trump was probably in the bottom of my list if I were an American voter for reasons too long to describe here (I'm also a fan of Ron/Rand Paul). That being said, since I follow politics in three different countries, I started to get sick by the level of dishonest of the mainstream media, the selective "copy and paste" while translating news from America, and the blatantly infiltrated cultural Marxism.

Because of that, from a total aversion for Trump, I little by little started to admire his explicitness. Take this interview for example, where in the European or American liberal media they are stating the truth that the EU and China put much higher tariffs on American products or that the NATO is basically funded by the USA to protect Europe?




The USA has guaranteed the safety of Europe for more than 70 years and what you hear the most in the Italian newspapers is "how imperialist America is...". Seriously, do you guys really think that Europe is today what it is if it was not by the American military presence? Imagine Frenchs, Germans, Italians, etc., teaming up to confront the Soviet Union or Russia in a war...
The USA's presence in Europe is in their interests more than anybody else's. The existence of the EU does more to prevent war in Europe than, the US presence is just to show the Russkies who's boss. If push came to shove the Europeans would be paying America for their 'help' for many, many years. (Think Lend Lease - 61 years).
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He's a blank wobbly canvas that folks can project their idealogy onto..

Sometimes I think folks are tripping and when he speaks nonsense, they react with *Wow!!* in full drug-love mode.. *So, deep man! He's gonna save us..*

Pass the spliff, eh?
Ah, that's the perspective I did not take yet. It seems a bad thing I gave up dope at the age of 30.

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....Stop trying to sell him as if he is some kind of misunderstood Jimmy Carter.
Don't try to stop her. For the first time - imho - this thread is actually a discussion. So far the supporters on EF were exactly like the supporters in the US: Hollering.

MC expresses an opinion and it may flabbergast me completely (it does! Biggly), at least she expresses it in a language I'm willing to read.

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Do not allow yourself to get misled by cherry picking of tariffs to support an argument! According to the World Bank here the average tariff charged by the EU is 2.5% whereas the average tariff charged by the USA is 2.9%

As to NATO, the US motivation is clear! If it comes to a war with Russia they want to fight it in Europe and so not have the consequent destruction at home.
This. And it will not matter at all if it's about something between them and nothing to do with Europe.
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That is exactly what people say when they are being opposed and cannot take it. Selfrighteousness will do that.

"I disagree with you"
"Why do you insult me and inflame this issue?"

This reaction is typical. He could really work with better vocabulary..but he doesn't have to. His "insults" are often just lack of decorum and I suspect potus does it on purpose. Like Melanie did, that UK suit did look fab on her, btw, Trump is terrible for showing her butt off. She's got probably more class than he does.



You sound like I am trying to sell him. Why would I?
you do try to sell him, I mean you actually admire a man who shagged a pornstar just after his wife gave birth to his son, then paid her off. A man who publicly said grab her by the pussy in relation to getting sex from random women. A man who lies constantly about everything. A man who denounces science and objectivity because it stands in the way of his unfulfillable economic promises. A man who spends more time tweeting incessant crap then actually doing any work. Should I continue?

I think you just like his stance on immigration.
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