When you ask a European why some kid from Nebraska should die in a European conflict, the best answer you get is "Well they can't wait to start a war anyway."

Decrying American Imperialism, then when some conflict starts in your back yard staring at your navel until the good old Yanks show up has been old for a while.

Do not allow yourself to get misled by cherry picking of tariffs to support an argument! According to the World Bank here the average tariff charged by the EU is 2.5% whereas the average tariff charged by the USA is 2.9%

As to NATO, the US motivation is clear! If it comes to a war with Russia they want to fight it in Europe and so not have the consequent destruction at home.

Would you allow them a change of mind?

I would hardly criticise the status quo if I didn't want it to change, would I?

When I take all that away I see a very confused, lonely old man. Actually sometimes he appears like an actor who is frantically trying to figure out what movie he's actually in. More than once I caught myself feeling sorry for him. For a second or two.

I must say, today was interesting. So far the Trump supporters just hollered "yeah" to every ridiculous thing he spouted.

But now we got someone who reads intelligent, smart and professional moves into his stumbling from one disaster into an other. Actually sees a system in it. I mean, the guy is basically an intellectual yet at the same time so down to earth that he foresees exactly how to get where he is - in a wise sense - aiming at. In the long run! His ability of planning and designing the future of this world (and it's gonna be a good one, not a bad one, a good one) is so outstanding that it has never before been witnessed = no wonder most of us think it's chaos and embarrassing. All geniuses have suffered this - and Trump is a genius. He told us so himself.

Somehow I could say I saw the light today. Not that I now suddenly agree with the above. But there are ACTUALLY people who think like that.
Not the mob, who's happy someone "up there" "speaks their language" finally but people who - 80% of the time - make sense to me.

Now - taking martons mention of Einstein and the matter of perspective into consideration (which I truly support ) where the f*** do I need to position myself to get at least a glimps of that conclusion about Trump? I did think I already looked at it from all sides yet obviously not.

The only thing I realized today is that I did not look at the Trump supporters from all sides yet.


I've got a glimpse of what they did with him.

And I never thought it possible. (That's actually a good thing (that it's possible) - for those who got to used to this additional advice )
The other good thing is to see that no matter how dizzy the so called most powerful man in the world gets, America carries on with daily business. This is more than soothing.

And that might be the good thing that comes from this Trump-time. The only one imho. The knowledge America can function for months without a president. Better still, even with a disturbing (disturbed? ) one.

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The USA's presence in Europe is in their interests more than anybody else's. The existence of the EU does more to prevent war in Europe than, the US presence is just to show the Russkies who's boss. If push came to shove the Europeans would be paying America for their 'help' for many, many years. (Think Lend Lease - 61 years).

Wrong definition, in the lead up to the festive season people are driven insane by certain songs on repeat, and the now popular Christmas boozer chant, you’re going home in an Wahmbulance!

Ah, that's the perspective I did not take yet. It seems a bad thing I gave up dope at the age of 30.

THIS I fully agree with

Don't try to stop her. For the first time - imho - this thread is actually a discussion. So far the supporters on EF were exactly like the supporters in the US: Hollering.

MC expresses an opinion and it may flabbergast me completely (it does! Biggly), at least she expresses it in a language I'm willing to read.

This. And it will not matter at all if it's about something between them and nothing to do with Europe.

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you do try to sell him, I mean you actually admire a man who shagged a pornstar just after his wife gave birth to his son, then paid her off. A man who publicly said grab her by the pussy in relation to getting sex from random women. A man who lies constantly about everything. A man who denounces science and objectivity because it stands in the way of his unfulfillable economic promises. A man who spends more time tweeting incessant crap then actually doing any work. Should I continue?

I think you just like his stance on immigration.

Source

WTF (again)

One has to believe Putin has something on Trump?

marton, the link above from the World Bank is a "simple mean of tariffs"... Whatever it means... The correct way would be to consider the "weighted average" on the goods. By the way, I just glanced the table and saw a country where the real import duties is 60% for stuff bought by private parties but in this table it says 13%... You have to look at the balance of trade and it is completely clear that the EU and China is taking an advantage.

Hahahaha, please, are you another facts denier? How many American died in the WWII to end it? How many young recruits from Utah come to Europe every year and risk getting into a conflict (albeit low)?

Oh, the EU would have the competence to fight against the Soviet Union or Russia, OK... By the way, what is the interest in spending billions of dollars per year to defend foreign countries?

I am not into MILFs but:

They probably agreed on US-co-presidency in Helsinki.

The aggressor was Germany.
Don't give away this easily that the US only entered the war because they feared Russia taking over and not to rescue the Jewish people and all overrun countries in Europe. And the reason they are still here is - exactly the same

Most young men from Utah are here to spread their gospel

Talking of facts
The US only joined WWII due to Pearl Harbour, it was not an act of philanthropy?
How many Allied troops died in the Pacific Ocean theater supporting the US?

The First Milf

Maybe keep them stable and conflict free to generate less refugees travelling to Europe?

Kills two birds with one stone.

Wouldn't that be FLiltf?

Or Smilfotus?

They are not defending foreign countries. They are defending territory they would like to have but if (as) they can't, the Russians may not either.

But ain't it sweet that propaganda still works.

I don't even know his stance on it. Only that he wants to prioritize the people who came legally and legit ways, it is reasonable. I actually think it is up to every state to define how they feel about immigration, nobody else. Just like CH controls it, etc.

You are also incorrect about me admiring him, I think I unfortunately cannot. I don't understand why he would put himself through the hysterical ordeal. I don't think it matters, though, I am only trying to understand why people go for him: fearing the althernatives and why there is so much hostility. Potus has indeed an effect on the entire world but I think it is only the US's business and our opinions are marginally important to yanks. Besides, we can have it completely wrong. He might be just after his own fame or wanting to leave somethibg significant after himself, kinda like his Dad left him, who knows. As per your comments on his immorality, I don't think politician's private life is free foodder for public. Clinton wasn't ethical, loads of people either slip or dream about it, and then you have Macron who could care less about clichés on "normal" sex life and love. I really do not want to know how queen does it or May, nor Putin or Merkel.

Whatchu talkin about...the guys are eyeballing the football.

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