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White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said Wednesday that President Trump is open to letting Russian investigators come to the United States to question U.S. citizens, including a former American ambassador to Russia.

Sanders said during a White House press briefing Wednesday that Trump is “gonna meet with his team” and discuss the possibility of allowing Russian officials to question U.S. citizens like Michael McFaul, who was ambassador to Russia from January 2012 to February 2014.
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One has to believe Putin has something on Trump?
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Do not allow yourself to get misled by cherry picking of tariffs to support an argument! According to the World Bank here the average tariff charged by the EU is 2.5% whereas the average tariff charged by the USA is 2.9%

As to NATO, the US motivation is clear! If it comes to a war with Russia they want to fight it in Europe and so not have the consequent destruction at home.
marton, the link above from the World Bank is a "simple mean of tariffs"... Whatever it means... The correct way would be to consider the "weighted average" on the goods. By the way, I just glanced the table and saw a country where the real import duties is 60% for stuff bought by private parties but in this table it says 13%... You have to look at the balance of trade and it is completely clear that the EU and China is taking an advantage.

Hahahaha, please, are you another facts denier? How many American died in the WWII to end it? How many young recruits from Utah come to Europe every year and risk getting into a conflict (albeit low)?
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The USA's presence in Europe is in their interests more than anybody else's. The existence of the EU does more to prevent war in Europe than, the US presence is just to show the Russkies who's boss. If push came to shove the Europeans would be paying America for their 'help' for many, many years. (Think Lend Lease - 61 years).
Oh, the EU would have the competence to fight against the Soviet Union or Russia, OK... By the way, what is the interest in spending billions of dollars per year to defend foreign countries?
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One has to believe Putin has something on Trump?
They probably agreed on US-co-presidency in Helsinki.

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.....Hahahaha, please, are you another facts denier? How many American died in the WWII to end it? How many young recruits from Utah come to Europe every year and risk getting into a conflict (albeit low)?
The aggressor was Germany.
Don't give away this easily that the US only entered the war because they feared Russia taking over and not to rescue the Jewish people and all overrun countries in Europe. And the reason they are still here is - exactly the same

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marton, the link above from the World Bank is a "simple mean of tariffs"... Whatever it means... The correct way would be to consider the "weighted average" on the goods. By the way, I just glanced the table and saw a country where the real import duties is 60% for stuff bought by private parties but in this table it says 13%... You have to look at the balance of trade and it is completely clear that the EU and China is taking an advantage.

Hahahaha, please, are you another facts denier? How many American died in the WWII to end it? How many young recruits from Utah come to Europe every year and risk getting into a conflict (albeit low)?
Talking of facts
The US only joined WWII due to Pearl Harbour, it was not an act of philanthropy?
How many Allied troops died in the Pacific Ocean theater supporting the US?
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Oh, the EU would have the competence to fight against the Soviet Union or Russia, OK... By the way, what is the interest in spending billions of dollars per year to defend foreign countries?
Maybe keep them stable and conflict free to generate less refugees travelling to Europe?

Kills two birds with one stone.
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Oh, the EU would have the competence to fight against the Soviet Union or Russia, OK... By the way, what is the interest in spending billions of dollars per year to defend foreign countries?
They are not defending foreign countries. They are defending territory they would like to have but if (as) they can't, the Russians may not either.

But ain't it sweet that propaganda still works.
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you do try to sell him, I mean you actually admire a man who shagged a pornstar just after his wife gave birth to his son, then paid her off. A man who publicly said grab her by the pussy in relation to getting sex from random women. A man who lies constantly about everything. A man who denounces science and objectivity because it stands in the way of his unfulfillable economic promises. A man who spends more time tweeting incessant crap then actually doing any work. Should I continue?

I think you just like his stance on immigration.
I don't even know his stance on it. Only that he wants to prioritize the people who came legally and legit ways, it is reasonable. I actually think it is up to every state to define how they feel about immigration, nobody else. Just like CH controls it, etc.

You are also incorrect about me admiring him, I think I unfortunately cannot. I don't understand why he would put himself through the hysterical ordeal. I don't think it matters, though, I am only trying to understand why people go for him: fearing the althernatives and why there is so much hostility. Potus has indeed an effect on the entire world but I think it is only the US's business and our opinions are marginally important to yanks. Besides, we can have it completely wrong. He might be just after his own fame or wanting to leave somethibg significant after himself, kinda like his Dad left him, who knows. As per your comments on his immorality, I don't think politician's private life is free foodder for public. Clinton wasn't ethical, loads of people either slip or dream about it, and then you have Macron who could care less about clichés on "normal" sex life and love. I really do not want to know how queen does it or May, nor Putin or Merkel.

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..... Besides, we can have it completely wrong. He might be just after his own fame or wanting to leave something significant after himself, kinda like his Dad left him, who knows.
Who is "we"?

I'm positive he went for president because he had the money and the opportunity. I don't even blame him, some people are like that. (Many )
But could he at least try to do a half-way-decent job?
Okay, pretend then???

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As per your comments on his immorality, I don't think politician's private life is free foodder for public. Clinton wasn't ethical, loads of people either slip or dream about it, and then you have Macron who could care less about clichés on "normal" sex life and love. I really do not want to know how queen does it or May, nor Putin or Merkel.
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I fully agree on that. It is absolutely not our business who with whom when where and why. Or how. LOL. And I don't give a shit. It's private and if anybody insists on privacy then it's me.

But what's Macron got to do with it?! The age gap is fine when the guys are mummies but the 20 year older - top fit and active - woman are not? ROFL.
Less famous people have lived this. A work mate of mine for 4 decades. Then he died - she's still alive an kicking. Maybe not so active anymore but hey, she is about 89 now.
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I fully agree on that. It is absolutely not our business who with whom when where and why. Or how. LOL. And I don't give a shit. It's private and if anybody insists on privacy then it's me.
But it is our business because it lays them wide open to the possibility of blackmail. Profumo, and far more bizarrely, Thorpe, are two notable cases of this.
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Who is "we"?
We, me, you, anyone...media, pseudo journalists, political analysts, good journalists, you name it. Everybody is busy with him, getting distracted, I think he's got everyone where he wants them to be, really. Potus has created attention nobody ever had before, or maybe Jackson or pope has. He knows emotions of anger and devotion are actually quite close together and addictive.

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Okay, pretend then???
What if he is doing a better job than the massive overreaction always signals. He is pisses people off, true, there is a momentum of outrage...he is creating more reaction when that tones down, but maybe he is actually building up economy, I wonder. I don't think he cares about anything else than the US econony and politically, it makes sense.
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But what's Macron got to do with it?!
He showed he doesn't care for prudes. Trump is similar.

Have you noticed that despite all the freedom fighting, diversity quests, lgbt, womans lib and what have you - the biggest criticism Trump is always facing, is always from a very prudish point of view? Looks like people on one hand say "eff off to conservative and traditional principles, we want new order defined by us - there is no place for class, style, decorum and traditions, we want new genders, tolerance to what we define should be tolerated" on one hand, but the same time they are laying heavily into Trump for not being conservative enough in his presentation, not having enough class nor good ol' protocol? Could it be that this hypocricy is because they in fact do not really care for all those new/modern/open minded principles they are fighting for, but only power? Trump knows this. Lots of people know this. Trump base is less conservative than the opponenst are portraying them. Trump opponents are less honest than they are posing themselves to be. Trump is lesser of dishonest liar than he is made to be by anti Trump media. The only way to reach some kind of dialogue is to tone down the hysterics and accusations, and actually focus on talking together. Not on who will offend Trump more. Or who is right. As it is, there is no space for a dialogue. It is enough to mention "wait let just think about it for a minute" and if one doesn't quickly start pouring out half ass medical diagnostics over Trump seeming mental illnesses, nobody would even listen to anyone who actually wants to talk about what potus is trying to do. Why lose time with all this theatrics. I don't give him much credit either, tbh, but I am interested in a discourse where there is less emotional hysteria and more impersonal rationality, less manipulation, etc. Just opening the newspapers fatigues now, all media have become dogmatic and ego feeding, in order to suck up to what sells these days. It feels like people have only patience for tabloids and marches, and to identify whether one us "with us or with them".
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You have to look at the balance of trade and it is completely clear that the EU and China is taking an advantage.
No, you have to look at the current account, i.e. include services, simply because western economies are 70% services, or even more. The balance of trade is merely 30% of the full Picture.

The current account EU/USA has been roughly in balance for the last ten years (according to Reuters they're even slightly in the plus, to the tune of $115bln since 2008). Obviously you can't use that to start a trade war so Trump needs something else.

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Russia's ambassador to the United States Anatoly Antonov on Wednesday said President Trump made "important verbal agreements" with Russian President Vladimir Putin

and said “When I return from Moscow, I will have the very clear-cut and lucid determination to go knock on every door at the State Department and the National Security Council to understand what we can do together in order to realize the agreements, the ideas, that the two presidents supported.”

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The Washington Post reported that the highest-level Trump administration officials still do not know what Trump promised Putin during their one-on-one meeting, which lasted more than two hours.

Obviously fake news because Trump who never takes notes must have recounted the whole two hour meeting verbatim from his perfect memory

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i Think Trump is more amoral and expedient than anything. He is very childish and petty. And he is a distraction. His cabinet choices are largely excreble, if you listen to the stupidity emiting from them. People like deVos, Carson, the late Pruitt and Mnenchin or whatever.

I don’t care who Trump screws, but as the head of the Republican Christian Family Values party, his behavior is bit of hypocrisy.

And I do believe that there was interference in the 2016 election. Voter suppression played a part, as did apathy fueled by fake news. I hope Mueller’s Investigation bears fruit.

The impression I have, from listening to friends in the US, as well as sources which I trust is that Trump is largely uninvolved with a lot of America. I don’t think he has the capacity to care all that much. Economic progress has advanced on its own. What has Trump achieved? Does he give a shit that Americans have health care, affordable housing, affordable education. Nah, don’t think so.

The real damage is being done by congress, people like Mitch McConnell, Trey Gowdy, and other Republicans who are like a lead weight. With false morality. And Democrats too, who have stood by and let this happen. If anything, Obama should have taken a harder stand with people like McConnell. But Democrats have no leadership. And the most worrying thing to me is the demise of the middle class. Again, Trump has offered nothing there, the Republican Congress is bent on widening the gulf between rich and poor, and the Democrats are all a flutter.

So now, people are waking up.....I hope. And again, change is only going to happen from the ground up. And it will be difficult. I don’t know that in 10 years i’ll even be a US citizen. And that it really does not matter in the grand scheme of things.
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