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19.07.2018, 11:45
| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President? | Quote: | |  | | | I've always been a fan of PR. But I've noticed that no matter who i discuss this with in the US, be they from the left or the right, they all say, that wouldn't work here.
So still a very long way to go. | | | | | Very long. I think it has a lot to do with the money. Taking away Citizen’s United, for example, and lobbyists are perhaps a start. Unfortunately, who’s got the guts to do that.
Again, if it happens, it will come from local or state wide efforts.
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19.07.2018, 11:46
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| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President? | Quote: | |  | | | The problem is not so much Clinton the person, but a DRC and party strategists who honestly thought it was a good idea to push her forwards simply because she's waited long enough and she's deserved it and because she was a Clinton and a woman and bla bla.
If somebody pushed you forward and told you to run, you'd mount a campaign too, wouldn't you? So the blame isn't so much on her as on those who made her do it.
The Dem party made the mistake of thinking they would win easily and that they could therefore afford to let somebody win who they still owed something, aftzer she so graciously stepped back to let Obama win 8 years previosly.
Conservatism in religion is not identical to conservatism in politics. I don't think conservative Christians are the GOP's to keep forever. Make them a genuinely good proposition and I think quite a few would cross party lines. As indeed they have done in the past.
But part of the problem here is again, that the Dems had identified them as being part of the enemy.
Not being Trump and hating everybody who likes Trump is not really a winning proposition for a prospective president. I hope the Dems will wisen up and re-think that. But from what I've seen so far, I have my doubts. | | | | | Clinton was not such a poor choice; she did win the popular vote!
The issue was the party strategists who failed to have a good strategy for also winning the electoral college.
That was Trump's smart move.
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19.07.2018, 11:47
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In an interview set to be broadcast Wednesday evening, the US president told Jeff Glor of CBS News that he holds Putin responsible “because he’s in charge of the country, just like I consider myself to be responsible for things that happen in this country”.
This is hilarious to be fair. There is not a single issue on anything EVER where Trump has taken responsibility for it...It's always the fault of the Democrats, Fake News, Mainstream Media, Covfefe.
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19.07.2018, 11:57
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| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President? | Quote: | |  | | | Clinton was not such a poor choice; she did win the popular vote!
The issue was the party strategists who failed to have a good strategy for also winning the electoral college.
That was Trump's smart move. | | | | | I think you have to look at the way the primary was conducted. The only viable alternative was Sanders, and I feel he was only pushed forwards as the strategists thought he was a boring out-of-touch ivory tower white guy who couldn't come to the point but liked to waffle about technical deatils. They thought he would make Clinton look so good in comparison. In other words, a safe opponent. But then things started to go wrong when he gained genuine traction and put up a genuine fight and started saying things that made sense.
I'm not 100% convinced Trump really meant to win. If you lok at youtubes of him on the campaign trail, he loked upbeat, having a lot of fun. A lot of that has gone away since he came to office. Maybe that also has to do with the difference between saying what you would do better and actually having to do it.
But the elctotal college. Maybe that wasn't his smartness. Maybe it was an accident?
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19.07.2018, 12:01
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| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President? | Quote: |  | | | When I do, I can promise there will be two neat lines, double spaced. | | | | | Tweet, much?
The question is - will there be balloons. If so, I am in.
Anyways, I have been asking myself if the way politics turned so polarized is in fact related to poor cognition and comm skills being ignored at school. Family dissappearing? People needing collective mindset? The silly US system isn't what creates the polarisation. It is the answer to it. Even without politics, our bias forces for binary simplistic vision. We are destined to create two opposing camp, and the less lazy (scared of ambiguity and uncertainty) we are, the less binary we think.
Behind politics there is ways behavioral economics. Psy, neursci. That's what make people vote fearless figures and follow leaders.
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19.07.2018, 12:06
| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President? | Quote: | |  | | | I'm not 100% convinced Trump really meant to win. If you lok at youtubes of him on the campaign trail, he loked upbeat, having a lot of fun. A lot of that has gone away since he came to office. Maybe that also has to do with the difference between saying what you would do better and actually having to do it. | | | | | I think this is felt by a lot of people. The "guy who wasn't meant to be". He comes across with this undertone that he's out of his depth and overwhelmed, having to be steered and guided.
He's doing his best to cover it up with some bluster but it's a diluted bluster to the pre-election performances at his rallies.
It's evident in his hurt tweets. He knows he is out of his depth and when people call him out on it he reacts ferociously. This fuels his perpetual denouncement of the media.
His non-committal press conferences where he talks a lot but says nothing help keep back any information which can be picked apart and analysed by journalists which would shine a light on his ineptitude.
When was the last press conference or interview he had where he actually communicated coherently and committedly?
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19.07.2018, 12:08
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| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President? | Quote: | |  | | | I think you have to look at the way the primary was conducted. The only viable alternative was Sanders, and I feel he was only pushed forwards as the strategists thought he was a boring out-of-touch ivory tower white guy who couldn't come to the point but liked to waffle about technical deatils. They thought he would make Clinton look so good in comparison. In other words, a safe opponent. But then things started to go wrong when he gained genuine traction and put up a genuine fight and started saying things that made sense.
I'm not 100% convinced Trump really meant to win. If you lok at youtubes of him on the campaign trail, he loked upbeat, having a lot of fun. A lot of that has gone away since he came to office. Maybe that also has to do with the difference between saying what you would do better and actually having to do it.
But the elctotal college. Maybe that wasn't his smartness. Maybe it was an accident? | | | | | I doubt it. He thinks returns. I think it is a giant enterprise for him. While people accuse him of it, he is trying to deal with it, it is not easy especially treating opponents as dysfunctioning departments in this enterprise. I am not against that idea, a state needs funds as much as an enterprise does. There are a lot of responsibilities.
Covfeve makes me laugh. He is entertaining, I think that is accidental.
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| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President? | Quote: | |  | | | I totally think people's reaction to a male president marrying his high school prof who is decades older, is different than a male president marrying decades younger flight attendant, indeed. I personally don't care. I think it represented Macron in a votable/attractive way to public, as a noncomformist. | | | | | As the 6th generation of women in my family who married younger men, with my great, great grandmother marrying a man 23 yrs her junior, I fail to see anything 'nonconformist' about it. If anything, Macron is the living embodiment of the young male fantasy r.e. MILFs.
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19.07.2018, 12:24
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| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President? | Quote: |  | | | This fuels his perpetual denouncement of media. | | | | | This sounds as if acceptance and support of low quality media was a good thing. He points out that media are crap. And he does it via those crap media and pays nothing for this visibility.
So this quest to "call him on something" is Trump's biggly PR stunt.
This is entertaining too.
His inaptitude and incompetence...to inform the audience on his terms in his timing? Who has ever achieved that? In an information vacuum, people will wait for your every fart and over amalyse what you had for dinner. He is so much better at this than Putin, but yanks have obviously advanced while Russkies were bear hunting. China is his real opponent. But every single Chinese wants American life, their consumption of Big Macs, Coke and Malborros is incredible. Because America. Trump sells the American Dream and obstructionists can't. I don't think he is so unhappy about it.
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19.07.2018, 12:27
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| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President? | Quote: | |  | | | As the 6th generation of women in my family who married younger men, with my great, great grandmother marrying a man 23 yrs her junior, I fail to see anything 'nonconformist' about it. If anything, Macron is the living embodiment of the young male fantasy r.e. MILFs. | | | | | You just answered yourself. He has actually turned his fantasy to presidential decorum. Not every young males does.
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19.07.2018, 12:53
| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President? | Quote: | |  | | |
So this quest to "call him on something" is Trump's biggly PR stunt.
This is entertaining too.
| | | | | Is that a bit like when you trip over the curb, do some weird flailing dance to keep yourself from falling on your face then look around as if to say "Nothing to see here, I meant to do that..."
You're a fan, we get it, but the constant excusing every criticism is getting a bit cringe.
I'm a fan of various personalities and politicians but I think I would draw the line at debasing myself online to defend them with such mawkishness.
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19.07.2018, 12:56
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| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President? | Quote: | |  | | | As the 6th generation of women in my family who married younger men, with my great, great grandmother marrying a man 23 yrs her junior, I fail to see anything 'nonconformist' about it. If anything, Macron is the living embodiment of the young male fantasy r.e. MILFs. | | | | | I think you mean GILFs... | This user would like to thank Chuff for this useful post: | | 
19.07.2018, 13:42
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| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President? | Quote: |  | | | Is that a bit like when you trip over the curb, do some weird flailing dance to keep yourself from falling on your face then look around as if to say "Nothing to see here, I meant to do that..."
You're a fan, we get it, but the constant excusing every criticism is getting a bit cringe.
I'm a fan of various personalities and politicians but I think I would draw the line at debasing myself online to defend them with such mawkishness. | | | | | I am not a fan, that's where people could get the polarized goggles off. He entertains while some people are trying to see his appeal to millions of fans. He sells the American Dream while Hillary wouldn't, she wouldn't get close to being marketable. It is not her fault, imho, people sucked up to her while pushed her into an image that hurt her at the end. It is weird that his blah look became a trademark, too, but it did. While others were busy focusing on semantics or him tripping over stairs, he trademarked slogans, tanners, mouth moves, hand motions, policies. Branding. It is not stupid, and Hillary lost time on a wrong caricature. Sanders was admirable but his caricature lacked the type of burlesque an American consumer wants.
Trying to turn Trump into a failure while he's got the numbers (albeit of somebody else's work), is loss of enerergy and funds, imho. If you try to create an alliance or tandem, people will embrace it. The climate of constant conflict is destructive.
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| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President? | Quote: | |  | | | I think you mean GILFs...  | | | | | De Dieu. | 
19.07.2018, 14:09
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| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President? | Quote: |  | | | Is that a bit like when you trip over the curb, do some weird flailing dance to keep yourself from falling on your face then look around as if to say "Nothing to see here, I meant to do that..."
You're a fan, we get it, but the constant excusing every criticism is getting a bit cringe.
I'm a fan of various personalities and politicians but I think I would draw the line at debasing myself online to defend them with such mawkishness. | | | | | I feel I need to speak up on this. Why is it getting cringe (and for whom? MC?) if someone keeps speaking up for Trump (in a Trump thread) while it is not when most others speak up against him?
It is pretty brave, specially in today's world. Yes, I am all surprised about MC's arguments and the way she - in my eyes - turns and overlooks things but hey, she keeps going! Chapeau.
She's debasing herself? For having an opinion? An unpopular one?
Well, she scored a few points in my book. Not for what she wrote but for writing it. | Quote: | |  | | | ......Trying to turn Trump into a failure while he's got the numbers (albeit of somebody else's work), is loss of enerergy and funds, imho. If you try to create an alliance or tandem, people will embrace it. The climate of constant conflict is destructive. | | | | | There is not much trying here, is there. I've not heard of one success yet (okay, I don't have my ear on the ground about this at all times, so correct me if I'm wrong. I'll just blame marton for not delivering as it's so en vogue to blame others  ).
"He's got the numbers albeit of somebody else's work". LOL, MC, he doesn't then, does he?
You keep mentioning dialog, alliance ..... it is not possible to have constructive dialog with Trump. Because anything he says is not valid 10 minutes later. It's either a lie, fake news or - the newest - a slip of tongue. There is no base to build something.
In my private life, I take people's word. If they don't keep up with it, I give them a max. of three times (depending on how grave the going back on it - or lie as we tend to call it - is) until I consider them a waste of my time.
Looking at it objectively one should realize Trump is not a leader, he is a milestone around the neck and the US at the moment is functioning in spite of it's president not thanks to him.
(Which is actually pretty impressive, considering the importance the world used to give the position of the US president).
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19.07.2018, 14:49
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| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President? | Quote: | |  | | | But the elctotal college. Maybe that wasn't his smartness. Maybe it was an accident? | | | | | A genius doesn't make mistakes of that magnitude | This user would like to thank Urs Max for this useful post: | | 
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| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President? | Quote: | |  | | | Anyways, I have been asking myself if the way politics turned so polarized is in fact related to poor cognition and comm skills being ignored at school. | | | | | This has been in the making for at least fourty years, probably longer. What we see now is just the culmination.
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| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President? | Quote: | |  | | | A genius doesn't make mistakes of that magnitude  | | | | | I think time is more important than funds. I think the mistake was in time management. Directors do that kind of mistake. As if they lived in time oblivion or think that their time matters more than the other time. Lol.
I don't think he is a genius. Geniuses aren't funny.
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19.07.2018, 15:19
| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President? | Quote: | |  | | | I feel I need to speak up on this. Why is it getting cringe (and for whom? MC?) if someone keeps speaking up for Trump (in a Trump thread) while it is not when most others speak up against him?
It is pretty brave, specially in today's world. Yes, I am all surprised about MC's arguments and the way she - in my eyes - turns and overlooks things but hey, she keeps going! Chapeau. | | | | | It's a wider issue, though. Right from his inner circle to his core supporters in the US as well as the supporters cheering him on from the safety of a stable European country, there is a pervasive need to constantly limit the damage, sweep the clangers under the carpet and shout down anyone who speaks against Trump.
The clangers are getting more and more chaotic and ridiculous so the excuses have to match.
I think I'd have a modicum of respect for Trump if people just said, yes he f**ked up because of xyz and here's the correct story. Even if it shows him in a bad light it would look better for him.
This "oh he meant to do it to entertain the media and you're all so dumb for not realising it" is what's so cringeworthy. Seriously, it's insulting and smells of desperation.
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| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President? | Quote: | |  | | | They probably agreed on US-co-presidency in Helsinki.
The aggressor was Germany.
Don't give away this easily that the US only entered the war because they feared Russia taking over and not to rescue the Jewish people and all overrun countries in Europe. And the reason they are still here is - exactly the same 
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