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But what's Macron got to do with it?! The age gap is fine when the guys are mummies but the 20 year older - top fit and active - woman are not? ROFL.
Less famous people have lived this. A work mate of mine for 4 decades. Then he died - she's still alive an kicking. Maybe not so active anymore but hey, she is about 89 now.
My grandfather's youngest sister was with a guy 21 years younger from when she was 43 until she died at 96, and they did stuff like cross the US in a camper until she died!

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"Economic progress has advanced on its own." Very true, whenever Trump has boasted about the economy he has never lauded the actions he took to improve the economy., because there were no such actions.

The fact is the economy grew steadily during the Obama years and continued on the same track in Trump's time, so far.

Obviously the Trump tax cuts will have an effect but it is too soon for that effect to filter through to the economy and exactly what that effect will be is open to discussion. Even the White House has recently quietly revised their budget forecast "Deficit Projected to Top $1 Trillion Starting Next Year"
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I think the real problem actually isn't Trump but the fact there is no good alternative. Pence isn't a better alternative, either, is he. The same situation as before elections. People will wake up but give it a decade. This is exactly what advances Trump and whatever agenda he pleases. He is not dumb. Even if he is imoral, the selectiveness of it only shows he isn't dumb nor mentally off. Christian organisations can also be progressive, btw. Family values have been for a debate ever since gay partnership or single parent adoption have entered the round table. US is not as conservative as the decorum seekers are making it sound to be.

Trump might or not might care for people, but I do feel that "your work results matter to me" will in the end be better for them than "obstruct and sabotage, hear us roar". The roar attitude has brought France to hell. Macron is busy reforming it, how radical the reforms will be cannot be parallel to his revolutionary sex life. Unfortunately.

If there is economic progress, even if it is not Trump who is responsible, than that's awesome. Obstructing Trump, though, will not bring prosperity. Socialising together because as a group people want to sabotage and obstruct - will slow down everything, for everybody. Trump is saying it, but people are busy throwing anti Trump parties, instead of trying to rebuild, figure out alternatives, bring something new and better.
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I think the real problem actually isn't Trump but the fact there is no good alternative. Pence isn't a better alternative, either, is he. The same situation as before elections. People will wake up but give it a decade. This is exactly what advances Trump and whatever agenda he pleases. He is not dumb. Even if he is imoral, the selectiveness of it only shows he isn't dumb nor mentally off. Christian organisations can also be progressive, btw. Family values have been for a debate ever since gay partnership or single parent adoption have entered the round table. US is not as

Trump might or not might care for people, but I do feel that "your work results matter to me" will in the end be better for them than "obstruct and sabotage, hear us roar". The roar attitude has brought France to hell. Macron is busy reforming it, how radical the reforms will be cannot be parallel to his revolutionary sex life. Unfortunately.

Truth be told, I think Clinton would have been far better. But, her emails. And of course many will disagree.

There are many ethical, progressive religious groups of all denominations. Unfortunately, the leading brand of Christianity in the GOP is not.

I don’t know I agree....there has to be some protest. And the Republicans in the US have quite perfected obstruction and incivility way ahead of Democrats ( here the typical right left is not as clear.....because America).

And I believe the age difference between Macron and his wife is the same as Trump and his. Why is one revolutionary and the other not? Why does it matter that Brigitte Macron is fit and youthful looking while Trump is not? Could there be a gender issue?
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When I do, I can promise there will be two neat lines, double spaced.
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Truth be told, I think Clinton would have been far better. But, her emails. And of course many will disagree.
Anyone with a pulse and a US passport would have outshone Trump as the POTUS.

Turns out you don't need to be literate, articulate, humble, intelligent or even a politician to be leader of the free world. You just need a big gob, a big wallet and a toolbox of predictable dog-whistle slogans.

Who knew?
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If there is economic progress, even if it is not Trump who is responsible, than that's awesome. Obstructing Trump, though, will not bring prosperity. Socialising together because as a group people want to sabotage and obstruct - will slow down everything, for everybody. Trump is saying it, but people are busy throwing anti Trump parties, instead of trying to rebuild, figure out alternatives, bring something new and better.
I’m not sure where your information comes from. But it’s not all partying. As I said before, there are lots of grass roots initiatives aimed at exactly what you prescribe. And well, if people want to have a bit of fun at Trump’s expense, so be it. Because America.

You also commented that the US is not as conservative as we might thing, and with this I agree. The GOP hides behind their interpretation of Christian morality, and it’s all about the money. Probably true for Dems too.

The US desperately needs to revamp the two party archaic political and voting system. Perhaps the election of Trump will prove to motivate that change.
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Truth be told, I think Clinton would have been far better. But, her emails. And of course many will disagree.
The problem is not so much Clinton the person, but a DRC and party strategists who honestly thought it was a good idea to push her forwards simply because she's waited long enough and she's deserved it and because she was a Clinton and a woman and bla bla.

If somebody pushed you forward and told you to run, you'd mount a campaign too, wouldn't you? So the blame isn't so much on her as on those who made her do it.

The Dem party made the mistake of thinking they would win easily and that they could therefore afford to let somebody win who they still owed something, after she so graciously stepped back to let Obama win 8 years previosly (even though actually he would have won without her support too, but let's not let facts get in the way here).

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There are many ethical, progressive religious groups of all denominations. Unfortunately, the leading brand of Christianity in the GOP is not.
Conservatism in religion is not identical to conservatism in politics. I don't think conservative Christians are the GOP's to keep forever. Make them a genuinely good proposition and I think quite a few would cross party lines. As indeed they have done in the past.

But part of the problem here is again, that the Dems had identified them as being part of the enemy,a nd weren't even interested in identifying policy points that would have resonated here.

Not being Trump and hating everybody who likes Trump is not really a winning proposition for a prospective president. I hope the Dems will wisen up and re-think that. But from what I've seen so far, I have my doubts.

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It is hard to discern a Trump strategy.

He seems to have a lot of tactics loosely strung together, sometimes pro active and sometimes reactive.

Take cancelling the Iran deal as an example. Clearly that was fulfilment of a campaign promise but equally clearly removing Iran oil from the market would obviously hit oil and petrol prices. So what was Trump's plan to cope with these price increases; just to hope they would go away?

Then his summits with Kim and Putin. There was no clear agenda and no well defined agreements as a result.
Sure Kim has stopped testing but maybe the round of tests was anyway completed, nobody does testing forever? Certainly all the indications are that Kim is happily building more bombs and missiles.

As for the Putin summit, the Russians are now claiming there were all sorts of agreements made but there is just silence on this topic from Trump? Where is the usual Trump victory lap?
What are the achievements that benefit the US?
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I've always been a fan of PR. But I've noticed that no matter who i discuss this with in the US, be they from the left or the right, they all say, that wouldn't work here.

So still a very long way to go.
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There are many ethical, progressive religious groups of all denominations. Unfortunately, the leading brand of Christianity in the GOP is not.

I don’t know I agree....there has to be some protest. And the Republicans in the US have quite perfected obstruction and incivility way ahead of Democrats ( here the typical right left is not as clear.....because America).

And I believe the age difference between Macron and his wife is the same as Trump and his. Why is one revolutionary and the other not? Why does it matter that Brigitte Macron is fit and youthful looking while Trump is not? Could there be a gender issue?
I totally think people's reaction to a male president marrying his high school prof who is decades older, is different than a male president marrying decades younger flight attendant, indeed. I personally don't care. I think it represented Macron in a votable/attractive way to public, as a noncomformist.

I think if there is anything allowing obstructionism, it is not their left/right political view in the US (besides it is getting very fluid). It is allowed by funds. Hence the quest for hysterics, fear and collective panic - it is needed for fundrising. I think the sentiments are induced in order to have people donate.

I disagree on Hillary. I think she was the most patronizing muscletalker out there, without any potential but a giant "hear me roar" ego. Maybe she represented US women the way they want...I think it was damaging without her even being elected. I wish there was smart/strong female leader in world political top. May isn't, Merkel isn't. Oprah isn't going to be. There are no more Jane of Arc figures. Female Sowell would be great.She would empower the right places/people the most efiicient way, where in the end everybody benefits, society as a whole. And poverty dicreases. Or maybe not. Because America.
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I've always been a fan of PR. But I've noticed that no matter who i discuss this with in the US, be they from the left or the right, they all say, that wouldn't work here.

So still a very long way to go.
Very long. I think it has a lot to do with the money. Taking away Citizen’s United, for example, and lobbyists are perhaps a start. Unfortunately, who’s got the guts to do that.

Again, if it happens, it will come from local or state wide efforts.
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The problem is not so much Clinton the person, but a DRC and party strategists who honestly thought it was a good idea to push her forwards simply because she's waited long enough and she's deserved it and because she was a Clinton and a woman and bla bla.

If somebody pushed you forward and told you to run, you'd mount a campaign too, wouldn't you? So the blame isn't so much on her as on those who made her do it.

The Dem party made the mistake of thinking they would win easily and that they could therefore afford to let somebody win who they still owed something, aftzer she so graciously stepped back to let Obama win 8 years previosly.

Conservatism in religion is not identical to conservatism in politics. I don't think conservative Christians are the GOP's to keep forever. Make them a genuinely good proposition and I think quite a few would cross party lines. As indeed they have done in the past.

But part of the problem here is again, that the Dems had identified them as being part of the enemy.

Not being Trump and hating everybody who likes Trump is not really a winning proposition for a prospective president. I hope the Dems will wisen up and re-think that. But from what I've seen so far, I have my doubts.
Clinton was not such a poor choice; she did win the popular vote!
The issue was the party strategists who failed to have a good strategy for also winning the electoral college.
That was Trump's smart move.
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In an interview set to be broadcast Wednesday evening, the US president told Jeff Glor of CBS News that he holds Putin responsible “because he’s in charge of the country, just like I consider myself to be responsible for things that happen in this country”.


This is hilarious to be fair. There is not a single issue on anything EVER where Trump has taken responsibility for it...It's always the fault of the Democrats, Fake News, Mainstream Media, Covfefe.
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Clinton was not such a poor choice; she did win the popular vote!
The issue was the party strategists who failed to have a good strategy for also winning the electoral college.
That was Trump's smart move.
I think you have to look at the way the primary was conducted. The only viable alternative was Sanders, and I feel he was only pushed forwards as the strategists thought he was a boring out-of-touch ivory tower white guy who couldn't come to the point but liked to waffle about technical deatils. They thought he would make Clinton look so good in comparison. In other words, a safe opponent. But then things started to go wrong when he gained genuine traction and put up a genuine fight and started saying things that made sense.

I'm not 100% convinced Trump really meant to win. If you lok at youtubes of him on the campaign trail, he loked upbeat, having a lot of fun. A lot of that has gone away since he came to office. Maybe that also has to do with the difference between saying what you would do better and actually having to do it.

But the elctotal college. Maybe that wasn't his smartness. Maybe it was an accident?
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Tweet, much?

The question is - will there be balloons. If so, I am in.


Anyways, I have been asking myself if the way politics turned so polarized is in fact related to poor cognition and comm skills being ignored at school. Family dissappearing? People needing collective mindset? The silly US system isn't what creates the polarisation. It is the answer to it. Even without politics, our bias forces for binary simplistic vision. We are destined to create two opposing camp, and the less lazy (scared of ambiguity and uncertainty) we are, the less binary we think.

Behind politics there is ways behavioral economics. Psy, neursci. That's what make people vote fearless figures and follow leaders.
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I'm not 100% convinced Trump really meant to win. If you lok at youtubes of him on the campaign trail, he loked upbeat, having a lot of fun. A lot of that has gone away since he came to office. Maybe that also has to do with the difference between saying what you would do better and actually having to do it.
I think this is felt by a lot of people. The "guy who wasn't meant to be". He comes across with this undertone that he's out of his depth and overwhelmed, having to be steered and guided.

He's doing his best to cover it up with some bluster but it's a diluted bluster to the pre-election performances at his rallies.

It's evident in his hurt tweets. He knows he is out of his depth and when people call him out on it he reacts ferociously. This fuels his perpetual denouncement of the media.

His non-committal press conferences where he talks a lot but says nothing help keep back any information which can be picked apart and analysed by journalists which would shine a light on his ineptitude.

When was the last press conference or interview he had where he actually communicated coherently and committedly?
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I think you have to look at the way the primary was conducted. The only viable alternative was Sanders, and I feel he was only pushed forwards as the strategists thought he was a boring out-of-touch ivory tower white guy who couldn't come to the point but liked to waffle about technical deatils. They thought he would make Clinton look so good in comparison. In other words, a safe opponent. But then things started to go wrong when he gained genuine traction and put up a genuine fight and started saying things that made sense.

I'm not 100% convinced Trump really meant to win. If you lok at youtubes of him on the campaign trail, he loked upbeat, having a lot of fun. A lot of that has gone away since he came to office. Maybe that also has to do with the difference between saying what you would do better and actually having to do it.

But the elctotal college. Maybe that wasn't his smartness. Maybe it was an accident?
I doubt it. He thinks returns. I think it is a giant enterprise for him. While people accuse him of it, he is trying to deal with it, it is not easy especially treating opponents as dysfunctioning departments in this enterprise. I am not against that idea, a state needs funds as much as an enterprise does. There are a lot of responsibilities.

Covfeve makes me laugh. He is entertaining, I think that is accidental.
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