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I totally think people's reaction to a male president marrying his high school prof who is decades older, is different than a male president marrying decades younger flight attendant, indeed. I personally don't care. I think it represented Macron in a votable/attractive way to public, as a noncomformist.
As the 6th generation of women in my family who married younger men, with my great, great grandmother marrying a man 23 yrs her junior, I fail to see anything 'nonconformist' about it. If anything, Macron is the living embodiment of the young male fantasy r.e. MILFs.
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This fuels his perpetual denouncement of media.
This sounds as if acceptance and support of low quality media was a good thing. He points out that media are crap. And he does it via those crap media and pays nothing for this visibility.

So this quest to "call him on something" is Trump's biggly PR stunt.

This is entertaining too.

His inaptitude and incompetence...to inform the audience on his terms in his timing? Who has ever achieved that? In an information vacuum, people will wait for your every fart and over amalyse what you had for dinner. He is so much better at this than Putin, but yanks have obviously advanced while Russkies were bear hunting. China is his real opponent. But every single Chinese wants American life, their consumption of Big Macs, Coke and Malborros is incredible. Because America. Trump sells the American Dream and obstructionists can't. I don't think he is so unhappy about it.
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As the 6th generation of women in my family who married younger men, with my great, great grandmother marrying a man 23 yrs her junior, I fail to see anything 'nonconformist' about it. If anything, Macron is the living embodiment of the young male fantasy r.e. MILFs.
You just answered yourself. He has actually turned his fantasy to presidential decorum. Not every young males does.
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So this quest to "call him on something" is Trump's biggly PR stunt.

This is entertaining too.
Is that a bit like when you trip over the curb, do some weird flailing dance to keep yourself from falling on your face then look around as if to say "Nothing to see here, I meant to do that..."

You're a fan, we get it, but the constant excusing every criticism is getting a bit cringe.

I'm a fan of various personalities and politicians but I think I would draw the line at debasing myself online to defend them with such mawkishness.
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As the 6th generation of women in my family who married younger men, with my great, great grandmother marrying a man 23 yrs her junior, I fail to see anything 'nonconformist' about it. If anything, Macron is the living embodiment of the young male fantasy r.e. MILFs.
I think you mean GILFs...
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Is that a bit like when you trip over the curb, do some weird flailing dance to keep yourself from falling on your face then look around as if to say "Nothing to see here, I meant to do that..."

You're a fan, we get it, but the constant excusing every criticism is getting a bit cringe.

I'm a fan of various personalities and politicians but I think I would draw the line at debasing myself online to defend them with such mawkishness.
I am not a fan, that's where people could get the polarized goggles off. He entertains while some people are trying to see his appeal to millions of fans. He sells the American Dream while Hillary wouldn't, she wouldn't get close to being marketable. It is not her fault, imho, people sucked up to her while pushed her into an image that hurt her at the end. It is weird that his blah look became a trademark, too, but it did. While others were busy focusing on semantics or him tripping over stairs, he trademarked slogans, tanners, mouth moves, hand motions, policies. Branding. It is not stupid, and Hillary lost time on a wrong caricature. Sanders was admirable but his caricature lacked the type of burlesque an American consumer wants.

Trying to turn Trump into a failure while he's got the numbers (albeit of somebody else's work), is loss of enerergy and funds, imho. If you try to create an alliance or tandem, people will embrace it. The climate of constant conflict is destructive.
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Is that a bit like when you trip over the curb, do some weird flailing dance to keep yourself from falling on your face then look around as if to say "Nothing to see here, I meant to do that..."

You're a fan, we get it, but the constant excusing every criticism is getting a bit cringe.

I'm a fan of various personalities and politicians but I think I would draw the line at debasing myself online to defend them with such mawkishness.
I feel I need to speak up on this. Why is it getting cringe (and for whom? MC?) if someone keeps speaking up for Trump (in a Trump thread) while it is not when most others speak up against him?
It is pretty brave, specially in today's world. Yes, I am all surprised about MC's arguments and the way she - in my eyes - turns and overlooks things but hey, she keeps going! Chapeau.

She's debasing herself? For having an opinion? An unpopular one?
Well, she scored a few points in my book. Not for what she wrote but for writing it.

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......Trying to turn Trump into a failure while he's got the numbers (albeit of somebody else's work), is loss of enerergy and funds, imho. If you try to create an alliance or tandem, people will embrace it. The climate of constant conflict is destructive.
There is not much trying here, is there. I've not heard of one success yet (okay, I don't have my ear on the ground about this at all times, so correct me if I'm wrong. I'll just blame marton for not delivering as it's so en vogue to blame others ).

"He's got the numbers albeit of somebody else's work". LOL, MC, he doesn't then, does he?

You keep mentioning dialog, alliance ..... it is not possible to have constructive dialog with Trump. Because anything he says is not valid 10 minutes later. It's either a lie, fake news or - the newest - a slip of tongue. There is no base to build something.
In my private life, I take people's word. If they don't keep up with it, I give them a max. of three times (depending on how grave the going back on it - or lie as we tend to call it - is) until I consider them a waste of my time.

Looking at it objectively one should realize Trump is not a leader, he is a milestone around the neck and the US at the moment is functioning in spite of it's president not thanks to him.
(Which is actually pretty impressive, considering the importance the world used to give the position of the US president).
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But the elctotal college. Maybe that wasn't his smartness. Maybe it was an accident?
A genius doesn't make mistakes of that magnitude
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Anyways, I have been asking myself if the way politics turned so polarized is in fact related to poor cognition and comm skills being ignored at school.
This has been in the making for at least fourty years, probably longer. What we see now is just the culmination.
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A genius doesn't make mistakes of that magnitude
I think time is more important than funds. I think the mistake was in time management. Directors do that kind of mistake. As if they lived in time oblivion or think that their time matters more than the other time. Lol.

I don't think he is a genius. Geniuses aren't funny.

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I feel I need to speak up on this. Why is it getting cringe (and for whom? MC?) if someone keeps speaking up for Trump (in a Trump thread) while it is not when most others speak up against him?
It is pretty brave, specially in today's world. Yes, I am all surprised about MC's arguments and the way she - in my eyes - turns and overlooks things but hey, she keeps going! Chapeau.
It's a wider issue, though. Right from his inner circle to his core supporters in the US as well as the supporters cheering him on from the safety of a stable European country, there is a pervasive need to constantly limit the damage, sweep the clangers under the carpet and shout down anyone who speaks against Trump.

The clangers are getting more and more chaotic and ridiculous so the excuses have to match.

I think I'd have a modicum of respect for Trump if people just said, yes he f**ked up because of xyz and here's the correct story. Even if it shows him in a bad light it would look better for him.

This "oh he meant to do it to entertain the media and you're all so dumb for not realising it" is what's so cringeworthy. Seriously, it's insulting and smells of desperation.
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I feel I need to speak up on this. Why is it getting cringe (and for whom? MC?) if someone keeps speaking up for Trump (in a Trump thread) while it is not when most others speak up against him?
It is pretty brave, specially in today's world. Yes, I am all surprised about MC's arguments and the way she - in my eyes - turns and overlooks things but hey, she keeps going! Chapeau.

She's debasing herself? For having an opinion? An unpopular one?
Well, she scored a few points in my book. Not for what she wrote but for writing it.
Thanks.

I think you actually made my Trump point - I think I like that he was ridiculed and went to the ultimate place no. 1. He opposed to majority opinion and the victimhood, excuse/entitlement seeking ethics, keeping his slogan, this "I don't care who you are, let's work". He voiced it to see what it will do. He might be completely inapt but he tried. I think people give him that credit even if they don't trust him. Hillary had her path paved by Obama and her stallion hubby, she tried but failed. I think the mess that is there is in the US politics now is mainly because people are sore losers - anger prevails. They got a person in front of them who keeps ignoring their self important anger while he is campaigning for progress, work and common constructivity. He wants the hard working attitude once the US was proud of, it was mobilizing. I think this schtick of his validates loads of people's sentiments and lifestyles. Productivity. It is positive and I think it sells.

Whether there is a dialogue possible - who is offering it to Trump? People are being put on which hunt lists for even thinking of cooperating. How constructive and democratic.

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"He's got the numbers albeit of somebody else's work". LOL, MC, he doesn't then, does he?
Why do you think I worded it this way.

Who get's to market these numbers? Hillary? Obama? They are byebye. It doesn't matter fo whom these numbers are credited to. Trump isn't even bothered. He just keeps saying - here we are with this, let's move on.
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It's a wider issue, though. Right from his inner circle to his core supporters in the US as well as the supporters cheering him on from the safety of a stable European country, there is a pervasive need to constantly limit the damage, sweep the clangers under the carpet and shout down anyone who speaks against Trump.

The clangers are getting more and more chaotic and ridiculous so the excuses have to match.

I think I'd have a modicum of respect for Trump if people just said, yes he f**ked up because of xyz and here's the correct story. Even if it shows him in a bad light it would look better for him.

This "oh he meant to do it to entertain the media and you're all so dumb for not realising it" is what's so cringeworthy. Seriously, it's insulting and smells of desperation.
Just to make something clear, I did not speak up for Trump, nor for MC or for her opinions, Her arguments - imo - lack logic, facts and some or downright twisted around.
She's done no shouting down. Yet.

I spoke up for democracy - having different opinions is the basis of it and telling someone they are debasing themselves by not swimming with the stream (in our case the anti-Trump one) is "not a good thing" to speak today's language
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I think the level of aware introspection and accountability that people expect of potus is unrealistic. He isn't there for that, plus probably has his priest of sorts. People don't elect presidents to be mindful. Despite the trendiness of mindfulness, organic wholesomeness and other hipster ideas. It's like expecting it from an austronaut.
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MC why did you groan my post and now you're thanking it? (The groan doesn't go away in the total anyway, LOL. And I don't mind groans, it means I'm still thinking (my own thoughts) ..... therefore I still am )
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Just to make something clear, I did not speak up for Trump, nor for MC or for her opinions, Her arguments - imo - lack logic, facts and some or downright twisted around.
She's done no shouting down. Yet.

I spoke up for democracy - having different opinions is the basis of it and telling someone they are debasing themselves by not swimming with the stream (in our case the anti-Trump one) is "not a good thing" to speak today's language
Yes, I know. I was referring to the wider Trump base.

I wouldn't take issue with sensible debate but to defend with such nonsensical gobbledygook just for the sake of it just plumbs new depths. I'm curious to know just how far some people would let Trump go before they back off and say "well, biting the head off a puppy is just a bit more than I want to explain away as a political strategy".

But hey, this whole thread is an eye-opener so who am I to judge?
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