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Old 22.07.2018, 12:08
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I got severely criticized by the Fake News Media for being too nice to President Putin. In the Old Days they would call it Diplomacy. If I was loud & vicious, I would have been criticized for being too tough. Remember when they said I was too tough with Chairman Kim? Hypocrites!
"Remember when they said I was too tough with Chairman Kim?" No, actually don't remember. Do you remember?

I tried google but could not find that either?
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Old 22.07.2018, 15:05
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.@PeteHegseth on @FoxNews “Source #1 was the (Fake) Dossier. Yes, the Dirty Dossier, paid for by Democrats as a hit piece against Trump, and looking for information that could discredit Candidate #1 Trump. Carter Page was just the foot to surveil the Trump campaign...” ILLEGAL!

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Old 22.07.2018, 15:13
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Remind me:
What are the values of the United States again?
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Old 22.07.2018, 19:12
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Lot of news today about the Justice Department releasing the documents requesting surveillance of Carter Page.
Lots of stuff redacted so hard to get a clear picture; you can read them here.

Couple of interesting points; firstly on the second page is the first mention of the reasons and it simply says "information from the State Department", secondly Trump claims this was surveillance of his campaign; surveillance did not start when Page was involved in the campaign but later.

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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Trump. Trying to deflect attention off Russia to Iran with his psychopathetic threats. He's getting out of the boiling pot into the fire!



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Peterson on the worst thing about Trump:



And I agree with him also on what we keep mentioning here, Trump did not win. Hillary lost.

It looks to me like Canada is politically maybe in a deeper mess than the US.

I don't even think his ridiculousness would be worth all the heavy outrage people keep granting him. But I grew up around some seriously ridiculous politicians, they weren't as orange nor entertaining.
"Disagreeable" and "divisive", now that's a nice way to describe Trump. But I agree with most parts, I also think that Peterson nailed it when he said that Clinton had it coming and criticised her identity politics approach. Trump is a product of his time, everyone saying he came where he is out of nowhere should really pay more attention...but yeah, it feels much better to be outraged and morally "superior".
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"Disagreeable" and "divisive", now that's a nice way to describe Trump. But I agree with most parts, I also think that Peterson nailed it when he said that Clinton had it coming and criticised her identity politics approach. Trump is a product of his time, everyone saying he came where he is out of nowhere should really pay more attention...but yeah, it feels much better to be outraged and morally "superior".
Indeed, Trump is a natural consequence of the Obama cult. Of course, neither team will see it that way...
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Old 23.07.2018, 08:54
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

I think they do. There is no shame there to worship a popular person there, it's how US happened..

It is much harder to show a distance from an icon, agree with some aspects, disagree with other aspect. Generaly, even here, it looks as disloyalty to both camps. Suspitious.

I can see here too that most people do not understand that there are people who can dislike Trump, but like the effect Trump has, maybe even unintentionally.

However - his shady dealings with Russkies...ugh.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

What Obama cult really brought
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Style over Substance

Another resulting setback became the lack of meaningful job creation and income growth. This president will not be remembered for economic development. Trump’s election night victory in Michigan, Kentucky, Indiana and other Blue heartland states is a direct reflection of the Obama administration’s inability to create higher-income jobs on a mass scale.

The bailouts framed the massive debt, deficit and Social Security issues predating Obama but which were not adequately addressed these past eight years due largely to a divisive and sometimes hostile Congress.

It was a tough challenge engendering collaboration on Capitol Hill, and Mr. Obama may have been remembered as The Great Unifier if he could have appeared less divisive himself. It was an opportunity that slipped through his hands.

I admit to voting for him in 2008, tantalized by the prospect of greater diversity and the possibilities of fresh change for everyone. Watching him closely for eight years, I came away with the feeling he was there to promote the African American experience to the exclusion of the total American experience, and at the expense of our national motto, “e pluribus unum.”

From many, one…this classical tenet of American governance was lost on this president. President Reagan had an Irish heritage but I don’t recall seeing the Reagan White House overpopulated by Irish writers, athletes, artists and performers. Yet Reagan brought both substance and style to the Oval Office.

On CBS Sunday Morning, one Black thought leader recently complimented Obama’s style of appeal to African Americans over the substance of his performance impacting all Americans. The statement demonstrates how out of balance Obama became: style over substance, political opportunist over leadership.

As important as Obama’s presidency was to inspiring the African American cause, it also contradicts the principle that we are all in this together. It probably helped feed the Congressional stalemate that shackled his administration.

It extended to the First Lady’s assertion from the podium at the Democratic National Convention that she had been living in a house built by slaves.

This preoccupation with promoting the African American struggle is actually an anachronism.

Divisive Language, Messages and Symbolism

Not only is this kind of posturing akin to traditional Southerners complaining about losing the Civil War, it alienates people because it is divisive language. Today’s Black struggle is, in fact, part of the greater American struggle.

These nuances might also explain why Mr. Trump made unexpected inroads within constituencies presumed to oppose him. Election analysts refer to the “incrementalism” of taking away presumed votes from the Democrats as a critical factor in Trump’s success.

The incremental increase within groups like college-educated women, working Black and Hispanic women, and underemployed White American males also reflects a trait that Mr. Obama will regret in retrospect. His tendency to talk down to people and constantly dictate his viewpoint lent a distinct air of arrogance that grated on voters.

By choice, I did not watch his farewell address, because I knew he would give himself high marks and a positive performance review, as he did. Some objectivity, honesty, humility and candor could have helped the moment, but instead the reality of his denial became the reality of his arrogance.

Mr. President, the American people reviewed your overall performance on November 8, 2016, in a light much harsher than your 2008 election and 2012 re-election, far more realistically than your self-assessment. You were fortunate to have weak Republican opponents in both of your campaigns.



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Tl;dr - 1 / 45 presidents took an interest in African Americans and we white people think that's out of order.
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Trump is a product of his time, everyone saying he came where he is out of nowhere should really pay more attention...but yeah, it feels much better to be outraged and morally "superior".
Two points here:

Totally agree that people who think Trump came out of nowhere, weren't paying attention or are too young to remember the Reform Party 2000 Campaign. It's like the people who believed they were politically aware, yet had never heard of al Qaeda before 9/11. There was a prominent British comedy programme, 'Bemner, Bird & Fortune' doing sketches about al Qaeda back in 1999.

As for feeling 'outraged and morally superior'...Nah! Not wearing that for a moment. I have no doubt that it may apply to a section of the people he's refering to, but it's way too dismissive of the rest who've thought lonng and hard, and have trawled over all the information available before coming to their conclusion.

As I can only speak for myself, I can probably count on my fingers the number of times I've ever been 100% certain on a political 'issue'. Trump and Brexit are two of those occasions, yet I'm on the wrong side of history (apparently).

From my years in national negotiations, I always try my best to find the common ground and shared goals, but on these two issues, I can't find them. The scales are too heavily weighted and the 'other sides' show no sign of any compromise. If anything, they're moving further away from the position that was the starting point. You can't negotiate and compromise with someone who's running headlong in the opposite direction.
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Old 23.07.2018, 13:59
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So President Obama knew about Russia before the Election. Why didn’t he do something about it? Why didn’t he tell our campaign? Because it is all a big hoax, that’s why, and he thought Crooked Hillary was going to win!!!

12:23 AM - 23 Jul 2018
Been a week of multiple U turns for Trump!
First he agreed with Putin that there was no Russian interference in the 2016 election.
Then he said he agreed with US intelligence that there was Russian interference
Then he said maybe other people were involved
Now he has gone back to no Russian interference!
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Of course this is an opinion piece but the untrue first sentence does destroy the credibility?

The first sentence was "Another resulting setback became the lack of meaningful job creation and income growth."

In fact during the Obama years the economy gained a net 11.6 million jobs. The unemployment rate dropped to below the historical norm.
Average weekly earnings for all workers were up 4.0 percent after inflation.
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2017 there were slightly more than 2 million jobs created, a figure the Obama administration surpassed handily each year of its second term (an average of more than 2.4 million jobs per year).
Indeed, Trump’s job creation was lower than in any of the last six years of the Obama administration.
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Emir of Qatar visiting London today. Wonder if people will turn out in their thousands to protest? I trust Sadiq Khan has condemned the visit?
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Emir of Qatar visiting London today. Wonder if people will turn out in their thousands to protest? I trust Sadiq Khan has condemned the visit?
Qatar owns among others the Shard, Canary Wharf, HSBC Tower and Harrods... don't bite the hand that feeds you.
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...and the banners that have been put up over the city protesting this visit, have been touted as Saudi propaganda. Interesting when you do a google news search to see whose publishing the most articles about this.
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Emir of Qatar visiting London today. Wonder if people will turn out in their thousands to protest? I trust Sadiq Khan has condemned the visit?
I've always found this false equivalency used to discredit a little bit desperate.

You know those folks in the RSPB, they are absolute shitebags, they don't give a shit about dogs.

People have causes that mean more to them, and less to them. It costs time and money to attend rallies. Just because you march about Trump, and don't march when Qatar are in town doesn't immediately invalidate all of your opinions.
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I've always found this false equivalency used to discredit a little bit desperate.

You know those folks in the RSPB, they are absolute shitebags, they don't give a shit about dogs.

People have causes that mean more to them, and less to them. It costs time and money to attend rallies. Just because you march about Trump, and don't march when Qatar are in town doesn't immediately invalidate all of your opinions.
Also the Emir's balloon isn't ready yet.
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...and the banners that have been put up over the city protesting this visit, have been touted as Saudi propaganda. Interesting when you do a google news search to see whose publishing the most articles about this.
To be fair is Saudi Arabia on a propaganda tour of explaining the west why Qatar is "supporting terrorism" (while nearly all 9-11 terrorists were Saudies and most of IS was radicalized in Saudi funded Wahabi mosques...). Trump for one believed them...
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