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Also the Emir's balloon isn't ready yet.
The Emir's Balloon sounds like an invented body part from BrassEye.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Nine Trump tweets in the last four hours, lucky for him he does not have a day job to attend to!

He seems to be going into some sort of meltdown hitting on all sorts of targets including his own justice department, N. Korea, Amazon, fake news and more.

Meanwhile White House press secretary Sarah Sanders on Monday called special counsel Robert Mueller's ongoing investigation into possible ties between President Trump's campaign and Russia "a hoax and a waste of time."

So far Mueller's probe has led to indictments or guilty pleas for 32 people and three Russian companies.

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I assume this is the reaction to increasing numbers of people musing about "what does Russia have on Trump"!
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Emir of Qatar visiting London today. Wonder if people will turn out in their thousands to protest? I trust Sadiq Khan has condemned the visit?
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Donald J. Trump@realDonaldTrump

The Amazon Washington Post has gone crazy against me ever since they lost the Internet Tax Case in the U.S. Supreme Court two months ago.
Next up is the U.S. Post Office which they use, at a fraction of real cost, as their “delivery boy” for a BIG percentage of their packages
In my opinion the Washington Post is nothing more than an expensive (the paper loses a fortune) lobbyist for Amazon.
Is it used as protection against antitrust claims which many feel should be brought?

3:21 PM - 23 Jul 2018
Three major lies in one tweet
1. Amazon was not involved in the Internet Tax Case in the U.S. Supreme Court two months ago.
2. According to the US Post their package delivery service helps offset some of the losses in regular mail services.
3. Washington Post does not lose a fortune, the paper has actually been profitable for the past two years

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What does Trump gain by spreading such obvious lies?
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Three major lies in one tweet
1. Amazon was not involved in the Internet Tax Case in the U.S. Supreme Court two months ago.
2. According to the US Post their package delivery service helps offset some of the losses in regular mail services.
3. Washington Post does not lose a fortune, the paper has actually been profitable for the past two years

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What does Trump gain by spreading such obvious lies?
<<Amazon declined to comment on the president’s tweets.>>
Good, they should all do that.
(Except the press of course to let people know when it was BS).

Can you sue the president? Or may he just babble?
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<<Amazon declined to comment on the president’s tweets.>>
Good, they should all do that.
(Except the press of course to let people know when it was BS).

Can you sue the president? Or may he just babble?
I believe you can sue the President! Paula Jones‘s lawsuit against Bill Clinton led the Supreme Court, in Clinton v. Jones, to rule that the president could be sued in federal court on matters outside of his role of president.

For example, Summer Zervos, a former contestant on The Apprentice, alleges that Trump groped and kissed her in 2007, and she is suing him for defamation for publicly calling her a liar when she came forward with her allegations.
The case is slowly inching through the US courts.
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Jeff Bezos (owner of Amazon and Washington Post) net worth is around $140+ Billion so around 50 times Trump!
Probably Bezos does not care what Trump says about Amazon and Washington Post; he has been attacking them since 2015.
In 2015, Jeff Bezos net worth was "only" around $60+ Billion so he probably thinks Trump's attacks help him!
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I realize amazon is richer than Trump. By sueing I just thought of having put Trump into place by the court without bothering much about him.

Trump would absolutely hate being convicted while in public/press amazon would behave as if they don't even know who the bloke is.
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One is an elected leader who makes obnoxious comments on twitter. The other is a dictator who governs a country with a terrible human rights record and customarily exploits South Asian migrant workers in what is essentially forced labour.

But then again you believe the US is heading towards a totalitarian state, ipso facto you don't have a very good grasp on what the term "rational" means.
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Does anyone else see it as a problem that the richest man on the planet also owns a newspaper?

Amazon is already way too powerful and is ruining small businesses every day.

You can call out Putin and Russia all day - but the truth is that both are now pretty much an oligarchy.
That was the case while Obama was it, it's certainly the case now and I don't see this trend reversing. It's only getting worse. 19th/20th century robber-baron-style worse.

Trump just ads a crazy twist to the media-cacophony.

He may be wrong about amazon siphoning-off profit from the USPS - but just look at the "beauty-contest" that amazon holds for its new headquarter.

Cities are falling over themselves to offer tax-cuts in return for some vague promise on jobs. The way it's done is morally questionable at best, at least from the looks.

The true enabler of amazon in the past was the Fed - low interest rates and QE allowed them to borrow money very, very cheaply and fund their expansion with this.
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One is an elected leader who makes obnoxious comments on twitter. The other is a dictator who governs a country with a terrible human rights record and customarily exploits South Asian migrant workers in what is essentially forced labour.

But then again you believe the US is heading towards a totalitarian state, ipso facto you don't have a very good grasp on what the term "rational" means.
I honestly thought your first line was the setup to a joke...one governs a country with a terrible human rights record which treats immigrants appallingly, despite never having won a popular vote, and the other is the Emir of Qatar.

If the same people protested every corrupt regime Britain did deals with, they'd barely get a day off. You have to pick and choose your battles.
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Cities are falling over themselves to offer tax-cuts in return for some vague promise on jobs. The way it's done is morally questionable at best, at least from the looks.
Trump can't really criticise this though, can he? It is the pinnacle of the American Dream and something he aspires to.
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If the same people protested every corrupt regime Britain did deals with, they'd barely get a day off. You have to pick and choose your battles.
Polls indicate that more people in the UK supported Trump's visit than opposed it. The same couldn't be said for the Emir of Qatar.
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Trump can't really criticise this though, can he? It is the pinnacle of the American Dream and something he aspires to.

Trump is really strange.
He get's a lot of sentiments right - but totally bungles the execution (tweets in most cases).

Also, my guess is that he wants to break things down to very simply terms (his voters...). This in turn leads to very strange tweets.

The USPS things is probably a lot easier to comprehend for the average Joe than explaining a multi-year, multi-stage tax-rebate system between city, county, state and federal level that basically leads to companies paying next to no tax for years and the average taxpayer footing the bill while politicians pat themselves on the shoulders for "creating" new jobs.

In any case, taking a Trump tweet word-for-word is about as useful as taking the Koran or the Bible word-for-word.
Nothing good ever came out of that.
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Does anyone else see it as a problem that the richest man on the planet also owns a newspaper?

Amazon is already way too powerful and is ruining small businesses every day.

You can call out Putin and Russia all day - but the truth is that both are now pretty much an oligarchy.
That was the case while Obama was it, it's certainly the case now and I don't see this trend reversing. It's only getting worse. 19th/20th century robber-baron-style worse.

Trump just ads a crazy twist to the media-cacophony.

He may be wrong about amazon siphoning-off profit from the USPS - but just look at the "beauty-contest" that amazon holds for its new headquarter.

Cities are falling over themselves to offer tax-cuts in return for some vague promise on jobs. The way it's done is morally questionable at best, at least from the looks.

The true enabler of amazon in the past was the Fed - low interest rates and QE allowed them to borrow money very, very cheaply and fund their expansion with this.
One newspaper? No, not a problem.

If you were to ask me about another rich man who owns dozens of newspapers, cable network providers, television and radio stations, film studios and a book publisher then I would see it as a problem.

Amazon provides small businesses with the opportunity to sell over their network (third-party sellers) which far and away outnumbers any small businesses ruined.
In 2017, Amazon generated 31.88 billion U.S. dollars in third-party seller service revenues.
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Polls indicate that more people in the UK supported Trump's visit than opposed it. The same couldn't be said for the Emir of Qatar.
Completely different point. Yet more whataboutery.

Do you have any sources for your claim by the way? The most recent polls I could find were from Dec 2017 / Jan 2018, where 48% of people wanted the invite rescinded.

He's been a bit of a naughty boy since then though, so perhaps opinion has shifted even further against him.
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Amazon provides small businesses with the opportunity to sell over their network (third-party sellers) which far and away outnumbers any small businesses ruined.
In 2017, Amazon generated 31.88 billion U.S. dollars in third-party seller service revenues.
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AFAIK, Amazon charges it's 3rd party vendors storage space at amazon warehouses - it gets quite expensive if there are any holdups in sales or inventory resupply. They sit back and analyze who sells what, what the margins are, etc. - identifying the most lucrative products. Then they move in and sell these items directly to the customer, crushing their 'own' 3rd party sellers.

Surely the goal is that eventually there is no need for 3rd party vendors?
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Surely the goal is that eventually there is no need for 3rd party vendors?
I guess if your niche is small enough, you can survive. Unless some Chinese copycat beats you, usually by giving a f'ck about taxes, regulations etc.
But beware: Amazon is a very well-run business (some say, it's the best-run business in the world, from an efficiency point of view). The above mentioned niches could get very small.

See the controversy about all the Chinese ebay and amazon sellers not paying any VAT in Germany - and mostly getting away with it.
If it wasn't amazon (i.e. any guy with a book-cart on the weekly market) , the tax-office would have impounded the warehouses.
But it's already too big to fail.
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AFAIK, Amazon charges it's 3rd party vendors storage space at amazon warehouses - it gets quite expensive if there are any holdups in sales or inventory resupply. They sit back and analyze who sells what, what the margins are, etc. - identifying the most lucrative products. Then they move in and sell these items directly to the customer, crushing their 'own' 3rd party sellers.

Surely the goal is that eventually there is no need for 3rd party vendors?
Amazon are not the only game in town.
I know some owners of small Swiss businesses who sell over AliExpress.
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One is an elected leader who makes obnoxious comments on twitter. The other is a dictator who governs a country with a terrible human rights record and customarily exploits South Asian migrant workers in what is essentially forced labour.

But then again you believe the US is heading towards a totalitarian state, ipso facto you don't have a very good grasp on what the term "rational" means.
ooo really bad you ended on that note after showing you don't know anything about Hassan Rouhani, he's not a dictator, he's a moderate and reformist who won the presidential election against populist candidates in the mold of Spanky. Rouhanis election was on the back of the Iranian anti-election fraud protests of 2009. (Sorry, that was history again).

He's a very popular guy and probably one of Iran's few chances to get out from under the boot of the 'Supreme Leader' and the Revolutionary Guard. Sadly Spanks is going to screw this up too by providing a perfect bogey man to rally the hardliners, I suspect Rouhani feels he has to stand up to Spanky or lose ground to the fundamentalists.
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Three major lies in one tweet
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What does Trump gain by spreading such obvious lies?
they aren't lies to his supporters; they'll believe any old crap he feeds them.

The way I see it is that if the only thing you know about a man is that he is a shameless liar then you know quite a bit about him. Likewise if you know someone supports a shameless liar, you know quite a bit about them too
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