Will Trump be a Good President? - Page 735

amogles · #**14681** 25.07.2018, 13:12

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Junker off to visit Trump today. Should be fun. https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...09900941815809

He'll probably turn up at the meeting stone drunk.

amogles · #**14682** 25.07.2018, 13:13

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	Not sure that Trump a) has ever heard of the WTO, b) would know what "WTO" stands for, if he had heard of it, c) would give a flying Playmate-fling for WTO rules anyway.

Isn't WTO just a typo for WTF?

bowlie · #**14683** 25.07.2018, 13:44

	Quote:	marton
	Very tough for Juncker if these are really Trump's aims. So far as I understand the WTO rules are that if the U.S. and the E.U. drop all Tariffs, Barriers and Subsidies then they must allow all countries the same free access. Then the EU (and the US) would be flooded with low price goods from the third world. Not sure if Trump understands what he is asking for?

Do you really think the US is going to drop $200 billion in agricultural subsidies and price guarantees?

If so, would you be interested in buying that bridge over the Rade in Geneva? I can get you a good deal ...

marton · #**14684** 25.07.2018, 13:58

	Quote:	3Wishes
	Careful not to underestimate Trump supporters. While some do believe whatever he says, a large number know he's lying and buffing and they are okay with it. They like his style. As long as they see the economic results he's promised, he's doing a good job. Even those being hit by the tariffs - particularly the farmers - many of them still support him and think that the tariffs will eventually bring about positive change overall.

I know some Trump supporters who believe everything he says no matter how solid the evidence to the contrary.

The key question is now how large is his base; is it large enough to sweep him to success in 2020?

Trump now has an unprecedented high level of support by self declared Republicans in recent polls which looks great for him. On the other hand some people say this is because many people no longer claim to be Republicans so the only ones left are the Trump supporters!

If Trump can manage a quick win over tariffs then he will likely get a big increase in support.
The challenge is in knowing what will Trump accept and how willing are other countries to bend WTO rules?
The best solution would be for the US to negotiate free trade agreements with the "trade war" countries but that is a long process.

#**14685** 25.07.2018, 14:32

	Quote:	marton
	Very tough for Juncker if these are really Trump's aims. So far as I understand the WTO rules are that if the U.S. and the E.U. drop all Tariffs, Barriers and Subsidies then they must allow all countries the same free access. Then the EU (and the US) would be flooded with low price goods from the third world. Not sure if Trump understands what he is asking for?

The Art of the Deal

EU commissioner suggests broad cuts to tariffs with U.S.

marton · #**14686** 25.07.2018, 14:45

	Quote:	Loz1983
	The Art of the Deal EU commissioner suggests broad cuts to tariffs with U.S.

As I posted earlier "The best solution would be for the US to negotiate free trade agreements with the "trade war" countries but that is a long process."

From your link

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	Oettinger suggested the EU and the United States could try to negotiate a lighter version of a stalled comprehensive U.S.-European trade deal known as the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP).

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	“That would be a negotiation that would be possible in half a year, and which we could start with the U.S. in the autumn.”

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	On Monday, the Commission said Juncker would not arrive in the United States for the talks with Trump with a specific trade offer.

Great minds think alike!

marton · #**14687** 25.07.2018, 15:15

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	Donald J. Trump@realDonaldTrump Every time I see a weak politician asking to stop Trade talks or the use of Tariffs to counter unfair Tariffs, I wonder, what can they be thinking? Are we just going to continue and let our farmers and country get ripped off? Lost $817 Billion on Trade last year. No weakness! 1:01 PM - 25 Jul 2018

"farmers being ripped off" What is the old clown talking about? Before his tariffs they were happily exporting their products and earning money!

marton · #**14688** 25.07.2018, 15:21

In yet another step towards dictatorship the Trump administration have doctored the official Government record of the Trump/Putin Press conference

Source

Sadly, probably nobody will care or take any official action.

EDIT; so did the Russians; "doctored their official Government record"

Capo · #**14689** 25.07.2018, 16:08

"Juncker Should Hope Trump Doesn't See This Chart Before Meeting"

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...eeting-with-eu

#**14690** 25.07.2018, 16:12

	Quote:	marton
	In yet another step towards dictatorship the Trump administration have doctored the official Government record of the Trump/Putin Press conference Source Sadly, probably nobody will care or take any official action. EDIT; so did the Russians; "doctored their official Government record"

O M F G

it's beyond me how anyone can think he's not a dictator in waiting.

#**14691** 25.07.2018, 16:28

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	O M F G it's beyond me how anyone can think he's not a dictator in waiting.

OMG, he's not a dictator because he says he isn't and always tells the truth. Duhhh.

marton · #**14692** 25.07.2018, 17:06

	Quote:	Capo
	*"Juncker Should Hope Trump Doesn't See This Chart Before Meeting"* https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...eeting-with-eu

Could you please explain why "Juncker Should Hope......."; the chart in your link shows there is only a tiny difference ( 0.6% ) between the average tariffs EU - US and US - EU? I did post about these average tariffs earlier!

Incidentally although this "trade war" has barely started it seems to be only the US that is suffering; already a $12 Billion subsidy to US farmers.

bowlie · #**14693** 25.07.2018, 18:08

That $12 billion is just a temporary measure. You need to add it to the approximately $200 billion in annual subsidies and price support.

West African cotton growers can’t compete with subsidised US cotton. One reason why many are heading for European shores.

marton · #**14694** 25.07.2018, 18:38

	Quote:	bowlie
	That $12 billion is just a temporary measure. You need to add it to the approximately $200 billion in annual subsidies and price support. West African cotton growers can’t compete with subsidised US cotton. One reason why many are heading for European shores.

Just read that is actually "minimum $12 billion"

#**14695** 25.07.2018, 18:43

	Quote:	marton
	Just read that is actually "minimum $12 billion"

Wait until you find out how much in subsidies get handed out each year as part of the Common Agricultural Policy.

marton · #**14696** 25.07.2018, 18:48

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Wait until you find out how much in subsidies get handed out each year as part of the Common Agricultural Policy.

It is about 50 billion euro; but what has that to do with Trump and with his new tariffs.

marton · #**14697** 25.07.2018, 18:55

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	Donald J. Trump@realDonaldTrump What kind of a lawyer would tape a client? So sad! Is this a first, never heard of it before? Why was the tape so abruptly terminated (cut) while I was presumably saying positive things? I hear there are other clients and many reporters that are taped - can this be so? Too bad! 2:34 PM - 25 Jul 2018

What kind of lawyer? The kind of lawyer who takes every precaution against a client who might possibly later lie about what instructions he gave his lawyer.

Anyway seems this bromance is over and Cohen is now definitely outside the tent and pi##ing in!

#**14698** 25.07.2018, 19:25

	Quote:	3Wishes
	Careful not to underestimate Trump supporters. While some do believe whatever he says, a large number know he's lying and buffing and they are okay with it. They like his style. As long as they see the economic results he's promised, he's doing a good job. Even those being hit by the tariffs - particularly the farmers - many of them still support him and think that the tariffs will eventually bring about positive change overall.

I wish I could believe that, but it's not my experience. I also wonder, if they know what a horrible liar he is, how do they know he's telling the truth about the economic miracles he's performing?

bowlie · #**14699** 25.07.2018, 19:55

In today’s NYTs there is an Op-Ed from the CEO of Cummings complaining about the tariffs and the effect on his business. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/25/o...ol-left-region

He is in Indiana which voted overwhelmingly for Mr. Trump, and his company is a big contributor to Pence and the Republican Party.

All I can say is ... Well Duh!

bowlie · #**14700** 25.07.2018, 20:44

It is hard not to laugh.

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	(Reuters) - The red, white and blue banners for U.S. President Donald Trump's second-term campaign are ready to ship, emblazoned with the words "Keep America Great!" But they are made in eastern China and soon could be hit by punitive tariffs of Trump's own making as he ratchets up a rancorous trade dispute with Beijing.