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And your statement I agree with. But I still don't understand what SwissInTheUs was trying to say...

20-30 yrs ago, I was fundamentally against a national ID card, as there appeared to be an agenda behind it. Today, I think there needs to be a better way to identify citizens, whether for voting, travel or many other daily tasks. There is an issue of Fed vs State, but with a technology solution, maybe each state could agree on something or at least choose to opt-in to a system that is Federally approved. CH seems to manage and maybe the US could take a lesson.
Only from a theoretical point of view, what is wrong with a national ID? Especially in a country with such a mobility like US? In some places across the world people didn't move from their villages for generations so a hundred of years ago or even less it wasn't really an issue, but now? My point is that I don't see any other more practical mean of identification than a national ID*
*not necessarily a passport and driving licenses don't count (although I used mine in CH many a time)
*you get one after or at say 14 or 16 years of age and then just renew it from say 10 to 10 years, time during which changes in physiognomy are considered to be more evident or very likely to occur.
I just don't see what's wrong with being able to identify people like that.
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Old 03.08.2018, 10:37
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Maybe Omarosa was correct about Trump's declining mental state?

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Donald J. Trump (R) @realDonaldTrump

Congressman Steve Stivers of Ohio has done a fantastic job as Chairman of the @NRCC.
He is a great Congressman who is tough on crime & borders & an inspiration to our Military & Vets. Big on 2nd Amendment.
Get out and vote for Steve on Aug 7th.
He has my full & total endorsement!
Stivers is not a candidate in an election on August 7, indeed not any time in August. Next possibility to vote for Stivers is in November!

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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

They still can't stop him!

Trump hits 50 per cent approval in national poll as he surges past Obama's 2010 numbers
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Gotta love them statistics!

Ever hear of "outliers"? Now have a look at the table of polls and the overall average -- this is from the same article that you quoted:



Oops.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

"Surges"
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Gotta love them statistics!

Ever hear of "outliers"? Now have a look at the table of polls and the overall average -- this is from the same article that you quoted:



Oops.
Still doesn't explain why he surged past Obama's numbers in the same poll taken at the same time in his presidency
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Still doesn't explain why he surged past Obama's numbers in the same poll taken at the same time in his presidency
It's the Rasmussen poll. That explains it.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Based on those polls, the headline could also read "Trump plummets to 38% approval"

"You spin me right round baby, right round like a record baby..."
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

From the same Rasmussen poll on 2nd Auguat 2018

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Trump Approval Index Month-by-Month
Trump's Full-Month Approval Slips for Fourth Month Straight

The president earned a monthly job approval of 46% in July, down one point from June and another step down from 49% in April, his high for the year to date.
Fifty-two percent (52%) disapproved of his job performance last month, up one point from the month before.
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Why is Obama the high standard that Trump supporters need to measure Trump against? Don't get it, there were many Presidents?
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

My issues with a national ID in the US were (mostly) from pre-internet times. I was (and still am) in favor of states rights over Federal and this went against my beliefs.

Today, in the internet age, privacy is under attack from so many other angles that I agree, a National ID card is necessary to PRESERVE the rights of citizens of the USA. No reason that I can think of NOT to have something like this now. And having an ID does not imply the right of the police to ask to see "your papers."

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Only from a theoretical point of view, what is wrong with a national ID? Especially in a country with such a mobility like US? In some places across the world people didn't move from their villages for generations so a hundred of years ago or even less it wasn't really an issue, but now? My point is that I don't see any other more practical mean of identification than a national ID*
*not necessarily a passport and driving licenses don't count (although I used mine in CH many a time)
*you get one after or at say 14 or 16 years of age and then just renew it from say 10 to 10 years, time during which changes in physiognomy are considered to be more evident or very likely to occur.
I just don't see what's wrong with being able to identify people like that.
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There is no voter registation here.

You turn 18 (or become Swiss), and they start sending you voting material.

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Actually there is. But usually you don't register to vote explicitly, the registry is maintained based on other processes.

The "Stimmregister" (voters registry) exists on the three levels of the state: federal, cantonal, and communal. It is fed by changes in the residents registy and the Personenstandsregister (civil status registry). In most cases only changes affecting Swiss nationals are registered, except in communes where foreigners are allowed to vote. Plus, Zürich city for instance maintains the voters registry for all communes in the Canton so additonal exceptions apply.

Swiss living abroad can register to vote as well. They can chose any of their former communes of residence or their Heimatort (the commune that maintains the registry on their personal data such as marital status, children, etc).

The documents for the votes and polls are sent to the addresses listed in the voters registry about four weeks before the vote (likely earlier for registered nationals abroad). The documents contain a simple sheet of paper called "Stimmrechtsauweis", which is the evidence required by the voting office personnel when voters deliver their vote.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

*So it's considered a success when a Republican president rates higher among Republicans than his Democratic predecessor. Yipeeee, what a success!

You couldn't set the bar any lower. Except perhaps if you compared to DT's first year results.





*I can't be bothered to read the article, the headline alone is too much of a turn-off.
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Fair enough. I remember that when I lived in Zurich, the gov't knew an awful lot about me, but it still seems to me that if I were allowed to vote, if I did it manually somewhere, I would have to show some form of ID. In all seriousness, how would they know it is you and what would happen if someone DID try to misrepresent who they are?

In the US, there is even less control over voter rolls, which are the lists of people eligible to vote in a certain town/county/state. As there have been numerous instances of DEAD PEOPLE, not only on the voter rolls, but shown as having voted(!), I think the US has a problem that needs to be solved.

Topic for a separate thread!
Not really!
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The now-disbanded commission that President Donald Trump set up to investigate election integrity did not find evidence of widespread voter fraud, a former member of the panel said on Friday, citing internal documents he obtained related to commission activities.

"I have reviewed the Commission documents made available to me and they do not contain evidence of widespread voter fraud," Maine's Democratic secretary of state, Matthew Dunlap,
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You can see his source material here

What is your source for claiming "numerous instances of DEAD PEOPLE, not only on the voter rolls, but shown as having voted"?

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Dead people voting.

It is true, and NOT FAKE NEWS. Well OVER 200 over the last 20 elections.
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An analysis by Newsday recently found that about 6,100 deceased people were still registered to vote in Nassau County (which has roughly 700,000 registered voters). As expected, many opinion writers began marching to the drum beat of “voter fraud.” The truth however, is blander than fiction.

NewsDay, who broke the story states:

The votes attributed to the dead are too few, and spread over 20 elections since 2000, to consider them a coordinated fraud attempt. More likely is what investigators in other states have found when examining dead voter records: Clerical errors are to blame, such as a person’s vote being assigned to a dead person with a similar name.

What this has amounted to is 270 “votes by deceased people” since 2000 (spread across 20 elections). In other words, this has amounted to an average of just over 13 “dead” votes per election. In a county with 700,000 registered voters, an average of 13 doesn’t have the same controversial appeal as the headlines suggest. It’s important to keep in mind that despite the unfortunate identification error, these are real votes with mistaken identify (not “additional” votes under the name of a deceased).

The mistake was in the identification of the person who voted. Nevertheless, the blogosphere is ripe with accusations of voter identification fraud as if these votes by deceased represent “additional” votes that may have changed actual elections. Despite the fairly straightforward explanation, this will likely be added to the quiver of “examples of voter fraud” moving forward,by those who wish to impose stricter voting ID requirements.
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Oh well, there goes the neighbourhood
Hopefully not in a mushroom cloud!

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Lebron James was just interviewed by the dumbest man on television, Don Lemon. He made Lebron look smart, which isn’t easy to do.
I like Mike!
And for those concerned about Omarosa's claim Trump is declining mentally; who the F is Mike?
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Actually there is. But usually you don't register to vote explicitly, the registry is maintained based on other processes.
Even when my daughter was living in the US, she didn't need to do anything special to vote here other than specify that she wanted to retain her previous address as her voting place (I think that that was done when she registered at the consualte in California).

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Oh well, there goes the neighbourhood
Hopefully not in a mushroom cloud!

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And for those concerned about Omarosa's claim Trump is declining mentally; who the F is Mike?
Micheal Jordan, apparently.
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Even when my daughter was living in the US, she didn't need to do anything special to vote here other than specify that she wanted to retain her previous address as her voting place (I think that that was done when she registered at the consualte in California).

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yep.
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Micheal Jordan, apparently.
He retired in 2003! Or does Donald believe he is still playing?
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He retired in 2003! Or does Donald believe he is still playing?
YOU are the expert on Trump, you tell us
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