"]Those journalists who want to ethically and correctly inform public can't do it via mainstream media." No doubt you are able to furnish evidence of sufficient cases of incorrect information in the mainstream media to establish a pattern of such poor behaviour.
I am not asking for isolated incidents but a pattern.

It depends on what you call mainstream media. I guess in UK daily mail is mainstream too (among others, obviously), so maybe we're talking about different things.

And? She did register with her address abroad and picked her most recent Commune as the one to vote in. Had she not registered with the consulate she wouldn't have been able to vote, so where's the contradiction?

I think the longer reads are more instructive on the sources of possible voter fraud in Chicago.

Maybe Trump was referring to Mike Tyson, he never confirmed who; everybody was simply left to guess.

I agree with what you say about MSM.

Interesting to note all these news organisations are split into two main groups; journalists who report news and opinion leaders who publish opinions which do not have to be objective or fact based.

Trump keeps promoting Fox News but he only references the opinion leaders not the journalists whose reports are pretty similar to all the other MSM.

Thanks Marton. Important to differentiate between commentators who opine and journalists who report.

Opinions are never objective - it's in the word

Opinions (listening to different ones) can lead to an objective conclusion though. In my opinion.
Or at least to an "informed" opinion.

It’s really difficult for humans to be objective. Always a frame in the way. And attempts at “objectivity” sometimes lead to false equivalency. But you just have to reason the best you can. It’s hard with so much info and so little time to think.

There is no media outlet more "mainstream" than Fox. It exists for the same reason as all other privately-owned media companies: to make money. Trump loves Fox because its bias is toward him, because its principal shareholder (rightly or wrongly) thinks it expedient to support Trump.

So Trump declares "mainstream media" the enemy of the people—except Fox News, of course.

Rampant hypocrisy.

Seems Trump cannot totally rely on Fox News any more!

Source

Here is the tweet they were discussing

These rants are going to finish encouraging people to injure innocent journalists!

And another example of Fox News calling out Trump

Source

The onus is on you. "Can't be bothered to demonstrate what I'm talking about" just isn't enough.

Actually you come across as a lazy arse - why should anybody take the effort of digging if not even you do? Provide at least a starting point or three that demonstrate what you base your point on. Of course this should happen right off the bat, something you've probably been aware all along.

You and Marton must both live under a rock!

Welcome to EF, DT.

gtf, um.

Interesting POV

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Matthew 7:6

Too much info and too little of it quality info.

Article here about opinions, might stimulate some ideas?

This bit has been bugging me all afternoon.

Little time to think? Why do people these days assume they need to have - AND voice - an opinion immediately about everything and everybody?

I take my sweet time to form my opinion - definitely about world politics but also about my own enviroment where sometimes I even need to make decisions which concern others, based on the opinion I reach. For the ones that concern others I take even more time actually.
I'm a quick thinker but I see no need to voice everything the moment my brain makes connections.

People who know me have received my answer "I have no opinion yet" when they asked me for it or even asked me how I will decide about something. I also often research and/or ask other people for their opinions. Not because I want anybody to tell me how to think about something but to get more angles on the subject in order to find my own standpoint.

On EF for example the Bill Cosby thread is a good sample. I still don't have an opinion on that. And I feel fine about it, I don't need to have one, do I. I rather say I have not made up my mind about something than sing from the same song-sheet as everyone else.

Once I do voice an opinion I can argue it. Yet it won't be cast in stone, although the new information to make me change my mind ought to be very convincing (while I can be very convincing, once I've come to a conclusion ).

So, long story short: I wish people would take more time to think before they ..... tweet, post on FB, shout everyone else down. I know it's not en vogue but would save us a lot of trouble - and would make discussions so much more interesting again.

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It's all a matter or perspective.
So move your butt and look at it from the other side

Obviously I didn‘t take enough time to formulate a response. What i should have said was „take little time to think“

So in essence, I agree.