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Old 06.08.2018, 14:41
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Are books better than the internet then? I'll make a note of that in Google Keep.
Ssshhh, do not mention ebooks! Let people stay with their paper books from the last century or two
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And this is coming from a guy who truly hopes Trump gets in enough hot water to be forced to resign.


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Old 06.08.2018, 14:57
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See, this is the problem. People nowadays are too lazy to educate themselves. They want it in links, preferably to short articles that don't take much thinking. Perish the thought that somebody might have learnt something from actual books! It's a bit difficult to link to those, and if anybody thinks I'm going to sit and type up a reading list, they can bugger off.
While I basically agree with you here, if complete strangers (internet) just - repetitively - bang out some random opinions, dominating a thread without sources, it doesn't attract me to do research on it. We have a few very good example-members on that. The one in question now is not one of them though. I think .... time will tell for me.
Nobody (well I don't) wants a book list. "I've read it in a book" is good enough for me. "I've read in in that book by xy" would be luxury.

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A couple of years ago, I was invited to vote in a once-in-a-lifetime referendum. I could have come onto EF and asked for links, but I didn't. I got off my arse and went looking for the information I needed. I didn't whine about a lack of sources - I found my own. The result? I went into the referendum better informed and less swayed by bullshit than I might have been had I only relied on the goodwill of random nutters on the internet.
I sure hope everybody did that regarding that once-in-a-lifetime referendum although I'm not sure ....
However, this is a different thing. We're not talking people coming on here, asking for links about a subjecct that they ponder. We are talking about people coming on here, throwing out opinions on stuff without mentioning how they got to what ever conclusion they did or others have no info on.
(which will lead to part 3)
Sometimes subjects we vote about here are discussed on EF. While I usually follow these threads with interest - and often with amusement - I, like you, would never come and ask anything about it on a forum.


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But back on topic: I'm still shaking my head at the notion that any reasonably informed anglophone adult could have lived his whole life without knowing anything about Chicago's long and notorious reputation for electoral fraud. To be so ignorant, and then demand that random strangers on the internet go out of their way to educate him, well... it pretty much sums up what's wrong with the world these days.
part 3
You can shake your head about reality - instead of mere notion - I've never heard about it. And even now I don't feel I'm lacking something significant. I did not ask for links about it, you might notice, because I'm even more ignorant: I'm still not interested in that.
But I do think if an English, Swiss or Ukraine person (to mention a few) on EF asks for a link, it would not hurt an American member to at least post one.

While Trump is a subject that influences everybody, American history details do not. The fact that you are informed and literate about it is good on you but not a standard to be set for everybody.

Me thinks.
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Old 06.08.2018, 15:09
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Are books better than the internet then? I'll make a note of that in Google Keep.
I read entire pretty good books on the internet.
Google leads me to them - I do know the titles I search for though.

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I agree.

hate to break it to you but you are not doing that; You are the other side of the coin from KK, esto, et.al .

And this is coming from a guy who truly hopes Trump gets in enough hot water to be forced to resign.

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I wouldn't say marton is the other side of the coin of KK etc. But I did mention to him, that if he quotes "The Hill" only, I do not feel very well informed.

As to marton's "system": He often simply posts links to information, decorated with Tweets by Trump. Without even commenting his opinion. I like those, it's a bit like watching the news on TV. Plus I'm not on Twitter.

Also it is so darn difficult to find info on times Trump's statements, claims, information was genuine and true. I will welcome someone who is able to provide those with open arms. (Not because I want to support Trump but beause I simply wish this Trump-time would be more than just a waste of time).
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This is the problem with own research; challenges to one's own ideas only come from others.

Edit: As DB proved by coming to the wrong decision about Brexit
Weird, because - as I've explained ad nauseam - it was the EU's own documents that tipped the balance.

How does that fit into your crackpot theory?
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Weird, because - as I've explained ad nauseam - it was the EU's own documents that tipped the balance.

How does that fit into your crackpot theory?
You probably read them online.
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While Trump is a subject that influences everybody, American history details do not. The fact that you are informed and literate about it is good on you but not a standard to be set for everybody.
But that's the thing - I'm not!

If we were talking about late Ottoman history, the interactions of Islam and Christianity in the Near East, sociolinguistics or the benefits of bilingualism you'd have a point - but American history? I'm as ignorant as any other Brit. But some stuff should be universally known, at least to speakers of English. I'll give Swiss or Ukrainians a pass (although, in my experience, they don't need one) but an Anglo?

No wonder people are so easily persuaded by shit they read on the internet.
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You probably read them online.
Mea culpa!

I downloaded the PDF of the Maastricht Treaty, but I'll be buggered if I'll waste that much printer paper and ink!
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Mea culpa!

I downloaded the PDF of the Maastricht Treaty, but I'll be buggered if I'll waste that much printer paper and ink!
And you wonder why Wernham Hogg were forced to cut jobs and merge offices.
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Old 06.08.2018, 15:37
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But that's the thing - I'm not!

If we were talking about late Ottoman history, the interactions of Islam and Christianity in the Near East, sociolinguistics or the benefits of bilingualism you'd have a point - but American history? I'm as ignorant as any other Brit. But some stuff should be universally known, at least to speakers of English. I'll give Swiss or Ukrainians a pass (although, in my experience, they don't need one) but an Anglo?

No wonder people are so easily persuaded by shit they read on the internet.
It is a variation of the false consensus bias where people believe that what they know and believe is typical for others.

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Weird, because - as I've explained ad nauseam - it was the EU's own documents that tipped the balance.

How does that fit into your crackpot theory?
Same false consensus bias, if these EU's own documents are as convincing as you claim then Brexit would have had an avalanche of Leave votes.
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But that's the thing - I'm not!

If we were talking about late Ottoman history, the interactions of Islam and Christianity in the Near East, sociolinguistics or the benefits of bilingualism you'd have a point - but American history? I'm as ignorant as any other Brit. But some stuff should be universally known, at least to speakers of English. I'll give Swiss or Ukrainians a pass (although, in my experience, they don't need one) but an Anglo?

No wonder people are so easily persuaded by shit they read on the internet.
You must be some miracle then. I'm not sure whether I'm supposed to sink on the ground in awe now?
Nope, I would not count knowledge about cheating in elections in Chicago to general knowledge. Yet I officially declare that here and now as my personal opinion.


<<No wonder people are so easily persuaded by shit they read on the internet.>> where is the context?
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Old 06.08.2018, 15:47
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But that's the thing - I'm not!

If we were talking about late Ottoman history, the interactions of Islam and Christianity in the Near East, sociolinguistics or the benefits of bilingualism you'd have a point - but American history? I'm as ignorant as any other Brit. But some stuff should be universally known, at least to speakers of English. I'll give Swiss or Ukrainians a pass (although, in my experience, they don't need one) but an Anglo?

No wonder people are so easily persuaded by shit they read on the internet.
I'd never heard of widespread voter fraud in Chicago until these last few posts, and why would I want to? Am I a bad person?
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OK - you want sources, Marton - There was a 70s British band, Paper Lace, that wrote a song about this era of Chicago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJke3_W2zug

PS - I better add this, so I am clear ;-)

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OK - you want sources, Marton - There was a 70s British band, Paper Lace, that wrote a song about this era of Chicago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJke3_W2zug

PS - I better add this, so I am clear ;-)

Ahhh, thank you. Now I am thoroughly, reliably and professionally informed. Totally up to date with general knowledge of the crème de la crème.

I remember that melody .... was it stolen off them by someone else later?

Great post. We still don't know who's dick is bigger but can we just decide we don't really care and go back to Trump?
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A bad person? No. But with the username PaddyG, I thought you might know about Chicago. Ever see The Untouchables?

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Is Chicago an Irish city?
Irish-Americans are the largest ethnic group in Chicago, but their city population declined over the last two decades while growing in some suburbs, according to recent data. ... But the Irish-American population has dropped since 1990 by about 16.4 percent, or about 39,000 people, according to U.S. census data.Mar 16, 2012


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A bad person? No. But with the username PaddyG, I thought you might know about Chicago. Ever see The Untouchables?

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Irish-Americans are the largest ethnic group in Chicago, but their city population declined over the last two decades while growing in some suburbs, according to recent data. ... But the Irish-American population has dropped since 1990 by about 16.4 percent, or about 39,000 people, according to U.S. census data.Mar 16, 2012
Funny how people draw the craziest assumptions. I'm not Irish (only by marriage, incidentally), nor do I have any remotely Irish ancestry.
As it happens, I am well aware that Chicago has strong Irish connections, but how that immediately draws me to the conclusion of widespread vote-rigging, I really have no idea.
Does it happen in Boston too? Asking for a friend.
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A bad person? No. But with the username PaddyG, I thought you might know about Chicago. Ever see The Untouchables?

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Irish-Americans are the largest ethnic group in Chicago, but their city population declined over the last two decades while growing in some suburbs, according to recent data. ... But the Irish-American population has dropped since 1990 by about 16.4 percent, or about 39,000 people, according to U.S. census data.Mar 16, 2012
Wow, lots of naturalizations of Irish those days, huh?

I personally suspect the Swiss population consists of about 95% foreigners.
Which is fine by me.
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OK - you want sources, Marton - There was a 70s British band, Paper Lace, that wrote a song about this era of Chicago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJke3_W2zug

PS - I better add this, so I am clear ;-)
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

I would say Do your own research, but feeling charitable today!
Source

And for you conspiracy theorists, check out the name of the Mayor of Boston after WWII: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Michael_Curley

Curiouser and curiouser, I say! ;-)

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Funny how people draw the craziest assumptions. I'm not Irish (only by marriage, incidentally), nor do I have any remotely Irish ancestry.
As it happens, I am well aware that Chicago has strong Irish connections, but how that immediately draws me to the conclusion of widespread vote-rigging, I really have no idea.
Does it happen in Boston too? Asking for a friend.
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Funny how people draw the craziest assumptions. I'm not Irish (only by marriage, incidentally), nor do I have any remotely Irish ancestry.
As it happens, I am well aware that Chicago has strong Irish connections, but how that immediately draws me to the conclusion of widespread vote-rigging, I really have no idea.
Does it happen in Boston too? Asking for a friend.
It traditionally is a centre of the mob and organised crime - perhaps that is more to do with the vote rigging than the Irish per se!
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