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Old 06.08.2018, 15:38
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

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I would say Do your own research, but feeling charitable today!
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And for you conspiracy theorists, check out the name of the Mayor of Boston after WWII: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Michael_Curley

Curiouser and curiouser, I say! ;-)
Why? I'm not remotely interested in voter-fraud in 1800s Chicago. Really I'm not.
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Old 06.08.2018, 15:41
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I'd never heard of widespread voter fraud in Chicago until these last few posts, and why would I want to? Am I a bad person?
I had much more associated Chicago with voting district gerrymandering rather than out and out fraud, something the Republicans are now indulging in with glee in many states.
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Old 06.08.2018, 15:45
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

You asked, for a friend, about voter fraud in Boston, and the posted article mentioned Boston as one of the cities where this occurred.

"Witnesses of a fraudulent election in Boston, later said that the election “was carried out by violence and murder” and that politicians would bring gangs from New York, Delaware, Washington and Alexandria to help win elections. Senators from both the Democratic and Republican parties were outed during an investigation of a plan to use “repeaters.” Later, new African-Americans voters of the 1880s were often cooped until after election day, the threat of which was to keep them from voting on the Republican ticket, sometimes after Democrats already voted under African-American voters’ names."

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Why? I'm not remotely interested in voter-fraud in 1800s Chicago. Really I'm not.
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Old 06.08.2018, 15:53
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You asked, for a friend, about voter fraud in Boston, and the posted article mentioned Boston as one of the cities where this occurred.

"Witnesses of a fraudulent election in Boston, later said that the election “was carried out by violence and murder” and that politicians would bring gangs from New York, Delaware, Washington and Alexandria to help win elections. Senators from both the Democratic and Republican parties were outed during an investigation of a plan to use “repeaters.” Later, new African-Americans voters of the 1880s were often cooped until after election day, the threat of which was to keep them from voting on the Republican ticket, sometimes after Democrats already voted under African-American voters’ names."
Fascinating. Not.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Meanwhile striking at the very heart of Trump's base

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A North Carolina newspaper recently decided to cut its Sunday color comics section, citing the rising cost of newsprint due to President Trump’s tariffs.
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Whatever next, learning to read
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Old 06.08.2018, 16:00
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Vote rigging happens anywhere in the US. But there are things which has much more impact than a few dead people, some non-citizens, and rigged absentee ballots. Stuff which happens on administrative level and a even to some extend legal: Gerrymandering, voting lists which are not fully distributed, complicated voter registration process, polling station at hard to reach location or lacking public transport access.

Or as they say: The best way to rob a bank is to own one, the best way to rig an election is to conduct it.
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Old 06.08.2018, 16:35
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You asked, for a friend, about voter fraud in Boston,
There is this thing called sarcasm. So widely spread on EF that we don't even bother to add the fitting emoticon anymore most times.

If anybody wants a link.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

And I am still waiting for you to tell us about your links to perfidious voting crimes in post-WWII Boston...

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Old 06.08.2018, 16:49
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And I am still waiting for you to tell us about your links to perfidious voting crimes in post-WWII Boston...
From moi?
How much clearer could I have said I don't give a shit?
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Old 06.08.2018, 17:33
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I thought that was PaddyG. Hmmm

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Old 06.08.2018, 19:26
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

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But back on topic: I'm still shaking my head at the notion that any reasonably informed anglophone adult could have lived his whole life without knowing anything about Chicago's long and notorious reputation for electoral fraud. To be so ignorant, and then demand that random strangers on the internet go out of their way to educate him, well... it pretty much sums up what's wrong with the world these days.
Neither those who share your POV nor those who oppose it will see any reason at all to do any digging. Simply because they already did, and doing so again from the same starting point is in all likelihood a waste of time.

That's why the onus is on you and fduvall, and whoever else happens to make a point.

This should be quite obvious for anyone willing to take the other's position even for just a moment. Perhaps use that grey matter between your ears for once. I trust you know how.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

The two sources I cited discuss the very convoluted history of election fraud in Chicago. In talking to someone who studies this stuff he remarked that there is a lot of urban legend and embellishment to these stories. Recent attempts to prove fraud have fallen flat. The most recent elections had more problems with voter suppression and gerrymandering (as SwissintheUS mentioned, than by dead voters/illegal alien voters (of which there were practically none)

However, most cities, Chicago among them had very active political machines in the 20th Century and fraud may have been part of the game.
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Old 06.08.2018, 20:20
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Crunch time coming up in 3 months.
Will the more Trump than Trump GOP candidates sweep to mid term victories or will they be be swept away in Democrat and Independents anti Trump reactions?

Maybe the special election for Ohio's 12th congressional district tomorrow will show the way or Trump will surprise us all with success!

Meanwhile how the mighty are fallen!
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New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo (D) said on Monday it’s “too bad” the National Rifle Association (NRA) could be in budgetary danger after his state pressured financial institutions to cut ties with the gun group.

"Too bad. You violated the law,” Cuomo told CNN, while also adding that “it's not a defense to say, 'Well, I was committing illegal activity, but I was making money from it, and now I'm upset that I lost the revenue.’”

The New York Democrat’s remarks come days after the gun group said in a lawsuit it will be “unable to exist as a not-for-profit or pursue its advocacy mission” after the state of New York urged financial institutions and insurers not to work with it.
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Who ever thought the mighty NRA defender of the second amendment could be facing dissolution!
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Old 06.08.2018, 20:40
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

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The two sources I cited discuss the very convoluted history of election fraud in Chicago. In talking to someone who studies this stuff he remarked that there is a lot of urban legend and embellishment to these stories. Recent attempts to prove fraud have fallen flat. The most recent elections had more problems with voter suppression and gerrymandering (as SwissintheUS mentioned, than by dead voters/illegal alien voters (of which there were practically none)

However, most cities, Chicago among them had very active political machines in the 20th Century and fraud may have been part of the game.
True, a lot of urban legends that people spread without checking their basis in reality; sadly too many people believe them. As you post, "Recent attempts to prove fraud have fallen flat"

I completely agree about voter suppression and gerrymandering; these are the big issues today. Especially the pressures on minority groups to jump through too many hoops before being allowed to vote.

Michelle Obama has launched a “When We All Vote” initiative to spur voting; more power to her.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Prostitution mogul Kristin Davis, nicknamed the "Manhattan Madam," will testify before special counsel Robert Mueller's grand jury this week

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Nothing do to with Trump I am sure, why would he want any contact with a "Prostitution mogul"
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Prostitution mogul Kristin Davis, nicknamed the "Manhattan Madam," will testify before special counsel Robert Mueller's grand jury this week

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Nothing do to with Trump I am sure, why would he want any contact with a "Prostitution mogul"
Probably has to do with his life philosophy - Gold everything...taps, toilets, sinks, arches and showers.
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"arches and showers" LOL! & LOL!
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.....Nothing do to with Trump I am sure, why would he want any contact with a "Prostitution mogul"
His money back?
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