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Here an example of the above in action in Georgia (Capital Atlanta, not Tbilisi):

"The Randolph County elections board is scheduled to meet Thursday to discuss a proposal that would eliminate seven of nine polling locations in the county. [...] Public transit doesn't exist in much of the rural county, and 22 percent of the county's residents have no car. People who currently vote at the polling places that would close under the proposal would have to travel an additional 10 miles to vote, the ACLU says."
https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/201...-closures.html

And in New Hampshire:
"A federal judge on Tuesday invalidated a New Hampshire law. [...] The law required election officials to match signatures from voters’ applications for absentee ballots with their signatures on their actual ballots. [...] Some 275 voters had their ballots disqualified during the 2016 election. [...] the measure violated the voters’ due process rights because they did not have a way to challenge their vote being tossed. [...] election monitors, who weren’t handwriting experts"
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https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...nature-law-ta/
IMO, here's the most egregious and malicious recent example. Compliments of North Carolina's GOP. https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.f99ee039f876
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"A review of these documents shows that North Carolina GOP leaders launched a meticulous and coordinated effort to deter black voters, who overwhelmingly vote for Democrats. The law, created and passed entirely by white legislators, evoked the state’s ugly history of blocking African Americans from voting — practices that had taken a civil rights movement and extensive federal intervention to stop.

Last month, a three-judge federal appeals panel struck down the North Carolina law, calling it “the most restrictive voting law North Carolina has seen since the era of Jim Crow.” Drawing from the emails and other evidence, the 83-page ruling charged that Republican lawmakers had targeted “African Americans with almost surgical precision.”
They combed through voter data and designed a law specifically to make it harder for Black Americans to vote - from votings times, locations, and accepted IDs. It's genuinely gross and in line with the worst traditions in US history.

I sure wish the media focused more on this type of institutionalized racism & anti-democratic practices and less on whether the President used a derogatory word.
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Not really...the people who believe the whole 'fake news' conspiracy wont be convinced by the very people at the heart of the conspiracy, claiming there is no conspiracy.

Most normal people appreciate there is no conspiracy and the papers will report whatever gets them the most clicks/reads, and and not whatever is fake.

So the effort is somewhat moot - the people reading it are likely not going to be the ones who think there is a conspiracy.
Plus, the concerted undertaking proves that the newsoutlets are capable of cooperating and coordinating their work if only they want. So (in that mindset) coordinating fake news is just one additional step.
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Old 16.08.2018, 18:32
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Plus, the concerted undertaking proves that the newsoutlets are capable of cooperating and coordinating their work if only they want. So (in that mindset) coordinating fake news is just one additional step.
But it would be very easy to to prove a pattern of publishing fake news if such a pattern existed?
Of course it would depend on the definition of fake news. If you define fake news as publishing news that is unfavourable to Trump despite such news being factually correct then one could make such a case.

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The Boston Globe, which was sold to the the Failing New York Times for 1.3 BILLION DOLLARS (plus 800 million dollars in losses & investment), or 2.1 BILLION DOLLARS, was then sold by the Times for 1 DOLLAR. Now the Globe is in COLLUSION with other papers on free press. PROVE IT!
The Globe was never sold for $1

Who knows what Spanky means by "PROVE IT!" or "Collusion"?
The random use of capital letters and the incorrect and confused content just confirms my opinion that the old guy is getting past it mentally
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But it would be very easy to to prove a pattern of publishing fake news if such a pattern existed?
Of course it would depend on the definition of fake news. If you define fake news as publishing news that is unfavourable to Trump despite such news being factually correct then one could make such a case.
But there is, and ample. After all the Donald keeps saying so.
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I sure wish the media focused more on this type of institutionalized racism & anti-democratic practices and less on whether the President used a derogatory word.
This.

All this ranting and raving of 45 and his tantrums and nonsense are doing an excellent job of distracting people about the real injustices going on. And, the fake news crap is just putting media on the defensive. So much better to be on the offensive and report on this stuff. But, media is way too corporate.....I think lots of journalists would far rather report on substance but there’s less and less opportunity.

I wish media would just turn their backs on 45. Like a flame denied oxygen, maybe he’d just sputter out.

I vote in NC. Only because that was my last US address. Lucky me. Since I vote only in Federal elections and my voting district is the blue epicenter of the state, I don’t have the pleasure of voting against these asshats. It’s really appalling to see what the NC GOP has done with respect to voting, and public education.
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Trump's military parade to cost $80M more than initial estimate: report

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What a waste of money, Trump has really destroyed the GOP as the party of fiscal prudence.

Still be worth every cent if Trump does a Gaddafi and has a comic opera commander in chief uniform made covered with fake medals
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Old 16.08.2018, 21:37
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The US Senate took a rhetorical shot on Thursday at President Trump's attacks on the media, passing a resolution affirming that the press is "not the enemy of the people."

The nonbinding resolution, which cleared the chamber by unanimous consent, also touts the "indispensable role of the free press" and says an attack on the media meant to "systematically undermine the credibility of the press as a whole [is] an attack on our democratic institutions."
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Plus, the concerted undertaking proves that the newsoutlets are capable of cooperating and coordinating their work if only they want. So (in that mindset) coordinating fake news is just one additional step.
I must say, if I wanted to protest for free journalism I would also not chose the path of spreading the same opinion together with all the other newspapers on the same day. It's somewhat contradicting.
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Old 16.08.2018, 22:25
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I must say, if I wanted to protest for free journalism I would also not chose the path of spreading the same opinion together with all the other newspapers on the same day. It's somewhat contradicting.
You think they should agree the Press is the enemy of the people. It is a binary decision, yes or no!
Each newspaper wrote their own editorial on the topic "is the Press is the enemy of the people"; they did not print the same one.
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I must say, if I wanted to protest for free journalism I would also not chose the path of spreading the same opinion together with all the other newspapers on the same day. It's somewhat contradicting.
Although I see their point. There’s not that much variance in this particular opinion ..... is the press the enemy of the people? No. It’s basically a binary choice.

I’ve not looked at individual editorials.....but I thought each paper wrote their own piece.


Marton beat me to it..... great minds and all.....
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You think they should agree the Press is the enemy of the people. It is a binary decision, yes or no!
Each newspaper wrote their own editorial on the topic "is the Press is the enemy of the people"; they did not print the same one.
LOL, you're at the "so you're saying"-level now?

I know they did not publish the same article, duh. I also didn't say I was against the action they took, I said it would not be the path I would have chosen.
I do agree though that - as it was aimed at Trump - it was most likely effective. He must have hated it.
But it was not only aimed at Trump - I expect - it was also aimed at his supporters and they will argue "you see? They all print the same, even on the same day, they stick together" because that is the simplest solution for simple minds to reach. I, for example, had not to be convinced, so they should have thought well about whom they are trying to convince.

But if I start listing all the things I didn't write, I'll be here all night .....
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Retired Adm. William McRaven, the man who oversaw the 2011 Navy SEAL raid that killed Osama bin Laden, issued a stunning rebuke of President Donald Trump's decision to revoke the security clearance of former CIA Director John Brennan on Thursday, defending the former spy chief as "one of the finest public servants I have ever known."

I would consider it an honor if you would revoke my security clearance as well, so I can add my name to the list of men and women who have spoken up against your presidency

"Through your actions, you have embarrassed us in the eyes of our children, humiliated us on the world stage and, worst of all, divided us as a nation," McRaven said of Trump.
"If you think for a moment that your McCarthy-era tactics will suppress the voices of criticism, you are sadly mistaken. The criticism will continue until you become the leader we prayed you would be"
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Strong stuff but it will bounce off Trump who has a binary view of the world.
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Old 17.08.2018, 01:28
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LOL, you're at the "so you're saying"-level now?

I know they did not publish the same article, duh. I also didn't say I was against the action they took, I said it would not be the path I would have chosen.
I do agree though that - as it was aimed at Trump - it was most likely effective. He must have hated it.
But it was not only aimed at Trump - I expect - it was also aimed at his supporters and they will argue "you see? They all print the same, even on the same day, they stick together" because that is the simplest solution for simple minds to reach. I, for example, had not to be convinced, so they should have thought well about whom they are trying to convince.

But if I start listing all the things I didn't write, I'll be here all night .....
I just wanted to explain the process.
But please do lay out the path you would have chosen.

I think Trump must have hated it as he posted three tweets about it.

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The Queen of Soul, Aretha Franklin, is dead. She was a great woman, with a wonderful gift from God, her voice. She will be missed!
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Omarosa Manigault Newman's publisher has responded to President Donald Trump's campaign's "legal threats" over her tell-all book, saying Trump is fully able to use his "bully pulpit" to refute anything they take issue with -- but that the book will be published.

Responding to a letter from Charles Harder, who is litigation counsel for the Trump campaign, book publisher Simon and Schuster's outside counsel Elizabeth McNamara wrote: "While your letter generally claims that excerpts from the book contain 'disparaging statements,' it is quite telling that at no point do you claim that any specific statement in the book is false.
Your client does not have a viable legal claim merely because unspecified truthful statements in the Book may embarrass the president or his associates. At base, your letter is nothing more than an obvious attempt to silence legitimate criticism of the president."
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Omarosa released another tape today of Lara Trump, the president's daughter-in-law who advises his reelection campaign, who can be heard offering Manigault Newman $15,000 per month for a position on the Trump 2020 campaign.

Trump also tells Manigault Newman if she decides to join the campaign, she needs to keep "everything, everybody positive," a remark the former White House aide said proves it was a hush-money offer.
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What a waste of money, Trump has really destroyed the GOP as the party of fiscal prudence.
But are/were they? Ever?
(in the last century, say)

I've got some WMDs in Iraq for sale, would you be interested?
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Now he's making himself unpopular among military veterans for his dogged desire to out-do Bastille Day in France.

$90 million budget for Trump's latest vanity project which, they argue, could be spent on homeless and disadvantaged vets.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45217286
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This is the sort of thing that happens when you label the Press as the enemy of the people!

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A bomb threat was reported at The Boston Globe on Thursday, the same day the newspaper spearheaded a campaign to publish coordinated editorials at multiple papers condemning President Trump's attacks against the press.

A building manager at the Globe's headquarters said the paper received "several threats via phone call" on Thursday, according to an email obtained by Axios.
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$90 million budget for Trump's latest vanity project which, they argue, could be spent on homeless and disadvantaged vets.
Interesting to compare that to India's mission to Mars (discussed in another thread), which cost $74 million. Speaking of fiscal prudence...
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Heh. And now the parade has been postponed for at least a year. Perhaps by then someone with more sense and less narcissism will be President.
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Trump's touching tribute to Aretha Franklin:

"I knew her well - she worked for me on numerous occasions."

Because it's all about you, Donald.
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