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I'll save you the time...

Marton said: Wow, this is interesting.
Loz said: It's all bollocks.
Cheers, seems not worth reading (not that I planned to anyway, LOL) as neither side has much to say about it.

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A bit of deductive reasoning will tell you it is so...

If Trump had never said it, they could guarantee there were no tapes out there of him saying it.
It's not that simple. It only tells you that they don't trust Trump not to have said it.
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Even more interesting as Trump clearly said he had never used the "N" word in his life then clearly his Press Secretary Sanders does not believe him. If she believed him then she would guarantee such a tape does not exist.
Possibly the first time she publicly admits she does not believe Trump?
So how long will she keep her job now?
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It's not that simple. It only tells you that they don't trust Trump not to have said it.
Trump has denied ever saying it..."That word isn't in my vocabulary", so that SHOULD be the WH line on this. The fact that it isn't their line means they know him to be lying, but they don't know if the apparent tapes exist (and/or maybe who is in possession of copies).
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Trump has denied ever saying it..."That word isn't in my vocabulary", so that SHOULD be the WH line on this. The fact that it isn't their line means they know him to be lying, but they don't know if the apparent tapes exist (and/or maybe who is in possession of copies).


I think the WH can't guarantee such a tape doesn't exist because they can't be sure none of the fake news media has constructed a FAKE TAPE because they are very SICK PEOPLE.


p.s. what about Hilary's email server eh? why is no one talking about that?
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Cheers, seems not worth reading (not that I planned to anyway, LOL) as neither side has much to say about it. ....

I enjoyed it insofar as I remember reading it in a week which means I liked it. I remember a lot of head shaking too as in 'wow it's worse than I thought'

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A bit of deductive reasoning will tell you it is so...

If Trump had never said it, they could guarantee there were no tapes out there of him saying it.
Dont spread fake news. The WH did not admit anything
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Old 15.08.2018, 18:56
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So there will be an other book.
Has anybody actually read "Fire and Fury" which came out in January?
Nobody seems to have commented on it on here (or I missed it all as - yes - I do take breaks on this thread ).
So if anyone did comment on it, where amongst the 15092 posts in this thread would I find it?
Fire and Fury was the best selling book in 2018 (Jan 1 to Jun 30) source

According to Forbes over 2 million copies were sold here

For comparison Trump's book "art of the deal" seems to have sold 177,000 copies here.
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Fire and Fury was the best selling book in 2018 (Jan 1 to Jun 30) source

According to Forbes over 2 million copies were sold here

For comparison Trump's book "art of the deal" seems to have sold 177,000 copies here.
You know, in spite of having read lots - loads - of books, I have hardly read any bestsellers.
That's not really a criteria that teases me.

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Trump has denied ever saying it..."That word isn't in my vocabulary", so that SHOULD be the WH line on this. The fact that it isn't their line means they know him to be lying, but they don't know if the apparent tapes exist (and/or maybe who is in possession of copies).
Thing is, there are so many words that aren't in his vocabulary.
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Dont spread fake news. The WH did not admit anything
Not deliberately perhaps, but a modicum of intelligence allows you to work out what they (or more specifically, their official spokesperson, SH-S) have admitted to.

Luckily for Trump, with the supporters he has, there won't be any figuring anything out, as evidenced here.
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Shep Smith is a Fox News journalist.
Sean Hannity is a Fox News opinion show host trying to convince people that it is news with integrity.

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Sean Hannity lies about the Russia investigation at night on Fox News, Shep Smith debunks his false claims during the day
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Fox News host Shep Smith on Wednesday fact-checked President Trump's personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani after he again falsely claimed that special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation started with the so-called Steele dossier.

"The Russia investigation began after the former Trump policy adviser George Papadopoulos told an Australian diplomat that the Russians had dirt on his then-political opponent Hillary Clinton.

"For context, the research in the dossier includes 17 memos produced by the former spy Christopher Steele," Smith explained. "They allege misconduct and a conspiracy between members of the Trump campaign and the Russian government during the 2016 election."

"Some assertions in the dossier have been confirmed," he continued. "Other parts are unconfirmed."

"None of the dossier, to Fox News’s knowledge, has been disproven," Smith added.
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Nearly 350 news organizations are set to publish editorials today pushing back against Donald Trump’s attacks on the media and defending freedom of the press.

The publications are participating in a push organized by the Boston Globe to run coordinated editorials denouncing what the paper called a “dirty war against the free press”.
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Not really...the people who believe the whole 'fake news' conspiracy wont be convinced by the very people at the heart of the conspiracy, claiming there is no conspiracy.

Most normal people appreciate there is no conspiracy and the papers will report whatever gets them the most clicks/reads, and and not whatever is fake.

So the effort is somewhat moot - the people reading it are likely not going to be the ones who think there is a conspiracy.
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Vote rigging happens anywhere in the US. But there are things which has much more impact than a few dead people, some non-citizens, and rigged absentee ballots. Stuff which happens on administrative level and a even to some extend legal: Gerrymandering, voting lists which are not fully distributed, complicated voter registration process, polling station at hard to reach location or lacking public transport access.

Or as they say: The best way to rob a bank is to own one, the best way to rig an election is to conduct it.

Here an example of the above in action in Georgia (Capital Atlanta, not Tbilisi):

"The Randolph County elections board is scheduled to meet Thursday to discuss a proposal that would eliminate seven of nine polling locations in the county. [...] Public transit doesn't exist in much of the rural county, and 22 percent of the county's residents have no car. People who currently vote at the polling places that would close under the proposal would have to travel an additional 10 miles to vote, the ACLU says."
https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/201...-closures.html

And in New Hampshire:
"A federal judge on Tuesday invalidated a New Hampshire law. [...] The law required election officials to match signatures from voters’ applications for absentee ballots with their signatures on their actual ballots. [...] Some 275 voters had their ballots disqualified during the 2016 election. [...] the measure violated the voters’ due process rights because they did not have a way to challenge their vote being tossed. [...] election monitors, who weren’t handwriting experts"
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https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...nature-law-ta/
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Here an example of the above in action in Georgia (Capital Atlanta, not Tbilisi):

"The Randolph County elections board is scheduled to meet Thursday to discuss a proposal that would eliminate seven of nine polling locations in the county. [...] Public transit doesn't exist in much of the rural county, and 22 percent of the county's residents have no car. People who currently vote at the polling places that would close under the proposal would have to travel an additional 10 miles to vote, the ACLU says."
https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/201...-closures.html

And in New Hampshire:
"A federal judge on Tuesday invalidated a New Hampshire law. [...] The law required election officials to match signatures from voters’ applications for absentee ballots with their signatures on their actual ballots. [...] Some 275 voters had their ballots disqualified during the 2016 election. [...] the measure violated the voters’ due process rights because they did not have a way to challenge their vote being tossed. [...] election monitors, who weren’t handwriting experts"
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https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...nature-law-ta/
IMO, here's the most egregious and malicious recent example. Compliments of North Carolina's GOP. https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.f99ee039f876
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"A review of these documents shows that North Carolina GOP leaders launched a meticulous and coordinated effort to deter black voters, who overwhelmingly vote for Democrats. The law, created and passed entirely by white legislators, evoked the state’s ugly history of blocking African Americans from voting — practices that had taken a civil rights movement and extensive federal intervention to stop.

Last month, a three-judge federal appeals panel struck down the North Carolina law, calling it “the most restrictive voting law North Carolina has seen since the era of Jim Crow.” Drawing from the emails and other evidence, the 83-page ruling charged that Republican lawmakers had targeted “African Americans with almost surgical precision.”
They combed through voter data and designed a law specifically to make it harder for Black Americans to vote - from votings times, locations, and accepted IDs. It's genuinely gross and in line with the worst traditions in US history.

I sure wish the media focused more on this type of institutionalized racism & anti-democratic practices and less on whether the President used a derogatory word.
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Not really...the people who believe the whole 'fake news' conspiracy wont be convinced by the very people at the heart of the conspiracy, claiming there is no conspiracy.

Most normal people appreciate there is no conspiracy and the papers will report whatever gets them the most clicks/reads, and and not whatever is fake.

So the effort is somewhat moot - the people reading it are likely not going to be the ones who think there is a conspiracy.
Plus, the concerted undertaking proves that the newsoutlets are capable of cooperating and coordinating their work if only they want. So (in that mindset) coordinating fake news is just one additional step.
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Plus, the concerted undertaking proves that the newsoutlets are capable of cooperating and coordinating their work if only they want. So (in that mindset) coordinating fake news is just one additional step.
But it would be very easy to to prove a pattern of publishing fake news if such a pattern existed?
Of course it would depend on the definition of fake news. If you define fake news as publishing news that is unfavourable to Trump despite such news being factually correct then one could make such a case.

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The Boston Globe, which was sold to the the Failing New York Times for 1.3 BILLION DOLLARS (plus 800 million dollars in losses & investment), or 2.1 BILLION DOLLARS, was then sold by the Times for 1 DOLLAR. Now the Globe is in COLLUSION with other papers on free press. PROVE IT!
The Globe was never sold for $1

Who knows what Spanky means by "PROVE IT!" or "Collusion"?
The random use of capital letters and the incorrect and confused content just confirms my opinion that the old guy is getting past it mentally
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But it would be very easy to to prove a pattern of publishing fake news if such a pattern existed?
Of course it would depend on the definition of fake news. If you define fake news as publishing news that is unfavourable to Trump despite such news being factually correct then one could make such a case.
But there is, and ample. After all the Donald keeps saying so.
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I sure wish the media focused more on this type of institutionalized racism & anti-democratic practices and less on whether the President used a derogatory word.
This.

All this ranting and raving of 45 and his tantrums and nonsense are doing an excellent job of distracting people about the real injustices going on. And, the fake news crap is just putting media on the defensive. So much better to be on the offensive and report on this stuff. But, media is way too corporate.....I think lots of journalists would far rather report on substance but there’s less and less opportunity.

I wish media would just turn their backs on 45. Like a flame denied oxygen, maybe he’d just sputter out.

I vote in NC. Only because that was my last US address. Lucky me. Since I vote only in Federal elections and my voting district is the blue epicenter of the state, I don’t have the pleasure of voting against these asshats. It’s really appalling to see what the NC GOP has done with respect to voting, and public education.
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Trump's military parade to cost $80M more than initial estimate: report

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What a waste of money, Trump has really destroyed the GOP as the party of fiscal prudence.

Still be worth every cent if Trump does a Gaddafi and has a comic opera commander in chief uniform made covered with fake medals
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The US Senate took a rhetorical shot on Thursday at President Trump's attacks on the media, passing a resolution affirming that the press is "not the enemy of the people."

The nonbinding resolution, which cleared the chamber by unanimous consent, also touts the "indispensable role of the free press" and says an attack on the media meant to "systematically undermine the credibility of the press as a whole [is] an attack on our democratic institutions."
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