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Plus, the concerted undertaking proves that the newsoutlets are capable of cooperating and coordinating their work if only they want. So (in that mindset) coordinating fake news is just one additional step.
I must say, if I wanted to protest for free journalism I would also not chose the path of spreading the same opinion together with all the other newspapers on the same day. It's somewhat contradicting.
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I must say, if I wanted to protest for free journalism I would also not chose the path of spreading the same opinion together with all the other newspapers on the same day. It's somewhat contradicting.
You think they should agree the Press is the enemy of the people. It is a binary decision, yes or no!
Each newspaper wrote their own editorial on the topic "is the Press is the enemy of the people"; they did not print the same one.
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I must say, if I wanted to protest for free journalism I would also not chose the path of spreading the same opinion together with all the other newspapers on the same day. It's somewhat contradicting.
Although I see their point. There’s not that much variance in this particular opinion ..... is the press the enemy of the people? No. It’s basically a binary choice.

I’ve not looked at individual editorials.....but I thought each paper wrote their own piece.


Marton beat me to it..... great minds and all.....
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You think they should agree the Press is the enemy of the people. It is a binary decision, yes or no!
Each newspaper wrote their own editorial on the topic "is the Press is the enemy of the people"; they did not print the same one.
LOL, you're at the "so you're saying"-level now?

I know they did not publish the same article, duh. I also didn't say I was against the action they took, I said it would not be the path I would have chosen.
I do agree though that - as it was aimed at Trump - it was most likely effective. He must have hated it.
But it was not only aimed at Trump - I expect - it was also aimed at his supporters and they will argue "you see? They all print the same, even on the same day, they stick together" because that is the simplest solution for simple minds to reach. I, for example, had not to be convinced, so they should have thought well about whom they are trying to convince.

But if I start listing all the things I didn't write, I'll be here all night .....
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Retired Adm. William McRaven, the man who oversaw the 2011 Navy SEAL raid that killed Osama bin Laden, issued a stunning rebuke of President Donald Trump's decision to revoke the security clearance of former CIA Director John Brennan on Thursday, defending the former spy chief as "one of the finest public servants I have ever known."

I would consider it an honor if you would revoke my security clearance as well, so I can add my name to the list of men and women who have spoken up against your presidency

"Through your actions, you have embarrassed us in the eyes of our children, humiliated us on the world stage and, worst of all, divided us as a nation," McRaven said of Trump.
"If you think for a moment that your McCarthy-era tactics will suppress the voices of criticism, you are sadly mistaken. The criticism will continue until you become the leader we prayed you would be"
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Strong stuff but it will bounce off Trump who has a binary view of the world.
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Old 17.08.2018, 01:28
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LOL, you're at the "so you're saying"-level now?

I know they did not publish the same article, duh. I also didn't say I was against the action they took, I said it would not be the path I would have chosen.
I do agree though that - as it was aimed at Trump - it was most likely effective. He must have hated it.
But it was not only aimed at Trump - I expect - it was also aimed at his supporters and they will argue "you see? They all print the same, even on the same day, they stick together" because that is the simplest solution for simple minds to reach. I, for example, had not to be convinced, so they should have thought well about whom they are trying to convince.

But if I start listing all the things I didn't write, I'll be here all night .....
I just wanted to explain the process.
But please do lay out the path you would have chosen.

I think Trump must have hated it as he posted three tweets about it.

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The Queen of Soul, Aretha Franklin, is dead. She was a great woman, with a wonderful gift from God, her voice. She will be missed!
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Omarosa Manigault Newman's publisher has responded to President Donald Trump's campaign's "legal threats" over her tell-all book, saying Trump is fully able to use his "bully pulpit" to refute anything they take issue with -- but that the book will be published.

Responding to a letter from Charles Harder, who is litigation counsel for the Trump campaign, book publisher Simon and Schuster's outside counsel Elizabeth McNamara wrote: "While your letter generally claims that excerpts from the book contain 'disparaging statements,' it is quite telling that at no point do you claim that any specific statement in the book is false.
Your client does not have a viable legal claim merely because unspecified truthful statements in the Book may embarrass the president or his associates. At base, your letter is nothing more than an obvious attempt to silence legitimate criticism of the president."
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Omarosa released another tape today of Lara Trump, the president's daughter-in-law who advises his reelection campaign, who can be heard offering Manigault Newman $15,000 per month for a position on the Trump 2020 campaign.

Trump also tells Manigault Newman if she decides to join the campaign, she needs to keep "everything, everybody positive," a remark the former White House aide said proves it was a hush-money offer.
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What a waste of money, Trump has really destroyed the GOP as the party of fiscal prudence.
But are/were they? Ever?
(in the last century, say)

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Now he's making himself unpopular among military veterans for his dogged desire to out-do Bastille Day in France.

$90 million budget for Trump's latest vanity project which, they argue, could be spent on homeless and disadvantaged vets.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45217286
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This is the sort of thing that happens when you label the Press as the enemy of the people!

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A bomb threat was reported at The Boston Globe on Thursday, the same day the newspaper spearheaded a campaign to publish coordinated editorials at multiple papers condemning President Trump's attacks against the press.

A building manager at the Globe's headquarters said the paper received "several threats via phone call" on Thursday, according to an email obtained by Axios.
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$90 million budget for Trump's latest vanity project which, they argue, could be spent on homeless and disadvantaged vets.
Interesting to compare that to India's mission to Mars (discussed in another thread), which cost $74 million. Speaking of fiscal prudence...
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Heh. And now the parade has been postponed for at least a year. Perhaps by then someone with more sense and less narcissism will be President.
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Trump's touching tribute to Aretha Franklin:

"I knew her well - she worked for me on numerous occasions."

Because it's all about you, Donald.
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Trump's touching tribute to Aretha Franklin:

"I knew her well - she worked for me on numerous occasions."

Because it's all about you, Donald.
it would be fair to post the full statement instead of picking one quote out of it.
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it would be fair to post the full statement instead of picking one quote out of it.
You mean the part where he's so concentrated on reading someone else's words (poorly) that he can't even look at the camera until just at the very end?

He can say negative things off the cuff while looking at the camera... perhaps he's more comfortable with negative stuff.
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it would be fair to post the full statement instead of picking one quote out of it.
Well, 22yards delivered the link and pointed out what annoyed him.

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You mean the part where he's so concentrated on reading someone else's words (poorly) that he can't even look at the camera until just at the very end?

He can say negative things off the cuff while looking at the camera... perhaps he's more comfortable with negative stuff.
The tone of voice was "ah, hell, okay, let's get it over with".
I sure wonder on what occasions Aretha Franklin worked for Trump.
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What a waste of money, Trump has really destroyed the GOP as the party of fiscal prudence.
On this, you're giving Trump way too much credit. The GOP has only ever embraced financial prudence rhetorically, their actions have always told a different story. Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnel, and the rest of the leadership deserve the bulk of the credit.

Here's a Libertarian perspective on it: https://reason.com/blog/2018/04/11/r...een-revealed-a
Republicans Have Finally Been Revealed as the Party of Fiscal Ruin
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Republicans now control both Congress and the White House. Paul Ryan is now the top Republican in the House. Mitch McConnell is now the top Republican in the Senate. Donald Trump is the president.

So you might be forgiven for assuming that under unified Republican control, the federal government's fiscal outlook would have improved—or at the very least, that it would not have become markedly worse.

Yet since winning control of the House, the Senate, and the White House, Republicans have done nothing to shore up the budget. On the contrary, the GOP's two most prominent achievements—an overhaul of the tax code and a spending deal made with congressional Democrats—have combined to make the nation's fiscal future far worse.

The annual deficit is now racing toward $1 trillion. According to a new report from the Congressional Budget Office, over the next decade, deficits will total about $1.8 trillion more than if the tax law had not been passed. If anything, that undercounts the damage. The tax law's individual rate reductions all expire within the decade. Republicans, including Paul Ryan, have said they would like those cuts to be made permanent, and it is hard to imagine that a future Congress will really let them expire. If that were to happen, the deficit increase would balloon by a further $722 billion.

By 2028, the CBO now projects that the national debt will nearly equal the country's entire gross domestic product. The report contextualizes this figure by noting that it is an amount "far greater than the debt in any year since just after World War II." Republicans have set the debt on a trajectory that has little historical precedent.

The $1.3 trillion spending bill that congressional Republicans passed earlier, meanwhile, added $400 billion in new spending over the next two years, breaking the spending caps that were put in place under the previous administration. Its increases were roughly split between domestic and defense, and it ended up funding many Obama-era priorities. As with the temporary tax reductions, the two year increase is likely to have permanent ripple effects, as it's unlikely that Congress will suddenly return to lower spending levels.

This is the opposite of fiscal responsibility. It is, if anything, an active disdain for the sort of fiscal restraint that Republicans so often claimed to support under Obama. And it strongly suggests that the GOP's criticisms were merely opportunistic. Under Trump, Republicans have demonstrated that they are the party of fiscal ruin.

To be more precise: They have demonstrated it once again. The behavior we have witnessed under Trump is not a twist or a reversal or an unpredictable turn. It is simply how Republicans have behaved whenever they have been given the opportunity since at least the turn of the century.

Under President George W. Bush, Republicans turned a budget surplus into a bulging deficit, cutting taxes while radically increasing spending. Bush spent more than any of the six presidents before him, and nearly doubled the total spending of his predecessor, Bill Clinton. Between the 2002 and 2009 fiscal years, the federal government's discretionary spending rose 96 percent.

Democrats, to be sure, have not exactly been icons of limited government. But under Clinton, the deficit turned into a technical surplus. During his first term, discretionary spending actually dropped; it wasn't until the second term, with Republicans in control of Congress, that it began to increase again.

Deficits ballooned during President Obama's first term, and from day one of his presidency, Republicans were swift to blame Democrats for a lack of fiscal discipline. But the rapid increase actually started under Bush. Depending on how you run the numbers, it is possible to make the argument that most of the Obama-era deficits were caused by Bush-era policies. Obama's second term was marked by still large but shrinking deficits that Republicans, since taking over, have grown again. When Paul Ryan noted that Obama ignored the recommendations of the bipartisan committee on fiscal responsibility, he was right. But what Ryan didn't say was that Ryan himself was on that committee—and he voted against its recommendations.
Edit: Providing the link/analysis Suderman refers to in the last paragraph. The largest factor in the Obama era deficits was the Bush tax cuts, followed by the economic recession, and ~ tied for third is the Iraq/Afganistan wars with the cumulative recovery/stimulus packages: https://www.cbpp.org/research/econom...large-deficits

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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

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.@TuckerCarlson speaking of John Brennan: “How did somebody so obviously limited intellectually get to be CIA Director in the first place?” Now that is a really good question! Then followed by “Richard Blumenthal of Connecticut is a FAKE War Hero...” So true, a total Fake!
Two guys with Bachelor degrees claiming an MA is limited intellectually?

The fuss about Trump removing John Brennan's security clearance shows no sign of dying down!

It is actually not clear if this security clearance is actually removed!
The legal process is the person must be informed in writing with the reason for the removal and the appeal process defined. There is no public information that this notification exists.

Same with Trump's threat to double tariffs on Turkey, this is not showing up yet in the official list here
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it would be fair to post the full statement instead of picking one quote out of it.
That's the level of illness that the Trump haters have got to, he can't even pay tribute to someone's death without receiving criticism for it.
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That's the level of illness that the Trump haters have got to, he can't even pay tribute to someone's death without receiving criticism for it.
Okay. He tried.

If you're honest, any president is being critically observed. And there were presidents who tried less and convinced more.
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