Will Trump be a Good President? - Page 762

#**15221** 22.08.2018, 16:41

Cohen would rather face the force of justice than be pardoned by Trump.

Kind of the political equivalent of chewing your arm off rather than waking the person you slept with by mistake.

#**15222** 22.08.2018, 16:44

	Quote:	marton
	what was the old saying about "birds of a feather...."

"... Make america great again!"

#**15223** 22.08.2018, 16:46

	Quote:	Loz1983
	"... Make america great again!"

Can they do that from D Block, or do they have to wait till they get into the yard for their hour's exercise?

taduncombe · #**15224** 22.08.2018, 17:11

	Quote:
	Cohen would rather face the force of justice than be pardoned by Trump. Kind of the political equivalent of chewing your arm off rather than waking the person you slept with by mistake.

I think Cohen's calculus stems from the limited power of a federal pardon. If Trump pardoned him, he would be prosecuted by the New York state law enforcement for similar crimes and still end up in jail for years.

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	The good news for Cohen is that Trump could pardon him for violating federal campaign finance or banking laws, a step that would keep him out of the crosshairs of New York state prosecutors as well. The bad news is that those same prosecutors could try to come after him for related crimes — and, if New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman gets his way, the original crimes too. Here’s why: New York has laws that closely mirror the federal ones Cohen stands accused of breaking. Under the state’s double jeopardy statutes, New York prosecutors couldn’t go after Cohen if Trump pardoned him for a specific federal crime. But they could go after him for related ones. Take federal wire transfer and banking laws, which Cohen may have broken if he lied about the reason he got a loan to pay off one of the women and transferred her $130,000. That would also be illegal in New York, which outlaws both bank and wire fraud. New York prosecutors could go after Cohen for bank fraud even if Trump pardoned him after a conviction for federal wire fraud charges. The big difference would be that Cohen would have no White House protection.

Cozying up to Mueller is his best play to avoid jail time or at least get a favorable sentencing.

The same is true for Manafort, but he's been a much tougher nut to crack... I wonder if some of his Russian oligarch associates have leverage on him...

PaddyG · #**15225** 22.08.2018, 17:19

	Quote:	Loz1983
	"... Make america great again!"

"My Attorney Got Arrested"

marton · #**15226** 22.08.2018, 17:51

Rock legend Steven Tyler has sent a cease-and-desist letter to the White House demanding that President Trump stop playing Aerosmith songs at his rallies.

Tyler’s attorney, Dina LaPolt, sent the letter after Trump’s Tuesday night rally in West Virginia, as first reported by Variety. The band’s “Livin’ on the Edge” played as Trump supporters entered the Charleston Civic Center.

Source

Amazing the Trump driven polarity!

#**15227** 22.08.2018, 18:19

	Quote:	taduncombe
	..... The same is true for Manafort, but he's been a much tougher nut to crack... I wonder if some of his Russian oligarch associates have leverage on him...

I've wondered that too, if the message was 'keep quiet and go down or your family gets it'

Regarding Cohen, lets not forget the character of this man, appropriate time to remember this incident with audio

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxHz18_LQIM

k_and_e · #**15228** 22.08.2018, 21:39

	Quote:	marton
	Rock legend Steven Tyler has sent a cease-and-desist letter to the White House demanding that President Trump stop playing Aerosmith songs at his rallies. Tyler’s attorney, Dina LaPolt, sent the letter after Trump’s Tuesday night rally in West Virginia, as first reported by Variety. The band’s “Livin’ on the Edge” played as Trump supporters entered the Charleston Civic Center. Source Amazing the Trump driven polarity!

Trump has responded to Aerosmith and apologized.
From now now, "Eat the rich" will be played.

marton · #**15229** 22.08.2018, 21:39

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	Investigators in New York state have issued a subpoena to President Trump’s former personal attorney, Michael Cohen, as part of a probe into the Trump Foundation, The Associated Press reported Wednesday. New York opened an investigation into the Trump Foundation over possible violations of state tax laws last month.

Never rains but it pours

Urs Max · #**15230** 22.08.2018, 22:18

	Quote:
	Tyler’s attorney, Dina LaPolt, sent the letter after Trump’s Tuesday night rally in West Virginia, as first reported by Variety. The band’s “Livin’ on the Edge” played as Trump supporters entered the Charleston Civic Center.

Living on the Edge ... I wonder if that's intentional.

Btw here's his new profile pic:

#**15231** 23.08.2018, 08:17

Why Michael Cohen Agreed to Plead Guilty—And Implicate the President

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	A personal turning point for Mr. Cohen was a conversation with his father, Maurice Cohen, a Holocaust survivor. Mr. Cohen’s father urged him not to protect the president, saying he didn’t survive the Holocaust to have his name sullied by Mr. Trump,...

Sounds great, doesn't it? Except that it could very well be bollocks.

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	... according to a person who was told about the conversation. The elder Mr. Cohen couldn’t be reached for comment.

They weren't able to confirm that this actually happened but decided to print it anyway. This is the agenda, this is the Fake News.

marton · #**15232** 23.08.2018, 09:04

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Why Michael Cohen Agreed to Plead Guilty—And Implicate the President Sounds great, doesn't it? Except that it could very well be bollocks. They weren't able to confirm that this actually happened but decided to print it anyway. This is the agenda, this is the Fake News.

What are you actually claiming is fake news?
That Cohen's father is not a Holocaust survivor or that Cohen does not actually talk to his father?

Did you read the article?

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	“As the son of a Polish holocaust survivor, the images and sounds of this family separation policy [are] heart wrenching,” Michael Cohen said in a since-deleted tweet, according to the Journal.

If you want to demonstrate a pattern of Fake News then you have to show a pattern; not isolated incidents!

BTW the Wall Street Journal is a strange target for you to choose as their editorial policy is to support Trump; twice asked Special Counsel Mueller to resign, are critical of Obamacare and climate change theories.

You may know that Trump only labels journals that are against his policies as conveyors of fake news.

Since the WSJ are pro-Trump I would be happy if you had credible claims of a pattern of fake news against them.

#**15233** 23.08.2018, 09:07

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Why Michael Cohen Agreed to Plead Guilty—And Implicate the President Sounds great, doesn't it? Except that it could very well be bollocks. They weren't able to confirm that this actually happened but decided to print it anyway. This is the agenda, this is the Fake News.

... except that the journalist wrote "... according to a person who was told about the conversation. The elder Mr. Cohen couldn’t be reached for comment." That's what I call responsible reporting of the facts available, with full disclosure. What's fake here?

Sometimes I wonder whether anyone pauses to analyse the meaning of the words pouring from Trump's mouth, before they mindlessly repeat them.

#**15234** 23.08.2018, 09:18

	Quote:
	... except that the journalist wrote "... according to a person who was told about the conversation. The elder Mr. Cohen couldn’t be reached for comment." That's what I call responsible reporting of the facts available, with full disclosure. What's fake here? Sometimes I wonder whether anyone pauses to analyse the meaning of the words pouring from Trump's mouth, before they mindlessly repeat them.

Then they shouldn't report it as having happened then. The spin is created and that it's merely hearsay is only an afterthought.

#**15235** 23.08.2018, 09:23

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Then they shouldn't report it as having happened then. The spin is created and that it's merely hearsay is only an afterthought.

You know that people are going to dig up this quote every time you post a link to some dodgy half-baked journalistic spin propping up your viewpoints on this forum, don't you?

Don't say I didn't warn you.

marton · #**15236** 23.08.2018, 09:25

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Then they shouldn't report it as having happened then. The spin is created and that it's merely hearsay is only an afterthought.

Most people are mature enough to read the whole article and reach sensible conclusions.

You are the one creating spin!

JagWaugh · #**15237** 23.08.2018, 09:33

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Then they shouldn't report it as having happened then. The spin is created and that it's merely hearsay is only an afterthought.

Sorry Loz, were it a normal president or person, then I'd be inclined to agree with you.

But this is Trump. Pretty much everything that comes out of him is spin and innuendo.

No, two wrongs do not make a right, but what goes around comes around.

#**15238** 23.08.2018, 09:35

	Quote:	marton
	Most people are mature enough to read the whole article and reach sensible conclusions.

They're not, read the comments here.

https://twitter.com/adamgoldmanNYT/s...45019251245056

marton · #**15239** 23.08.2018, 09:39

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	Donald J. Trump@realDonaldTrump Aug 21 Just watched former Intelligence Official Phillip Mudd become totally unglued and weird while debating wonderful @PARISDENNARD over Brennan’s Security Clearance. Dennard destroyed him but Mudd is in no mental condition to have such a Clearance. Should be REVOKED? @seanhannity

Strange example of the law of unintended consequences.
The focus on Dennard caused by this tweet has found allegations of sexual harassment against Dennard who has now been suspended by CNN.
Source

Meanwhile Spanky desperate to turn the spotlight away from his corrupt ex-aides

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	Donald J. Trump@realDonaldTrump I have asked Secretary of State @SecPompeo to closely study the South Africa land and farm seizures and expropriations and the large scale killing of farmers. “South African Government is now seizing land from white farmers.” @TuckerCarlson @FoxNews

According to research by one of South Africa’s biggest farmers’ organisations, AgriSA, such murders of farmers are at a 20-year-low.

#**15240** 23.08.2018, 09:49

	Quote:	Loz1983
	They're not, read the comments here. https://twitter.com/adamgoldmanNYT/s...45019251245056

Clearly I'm missing something here. Right now, it's your point.

Your link is to a tweet that reads "A personal turning point for Mr. Cohen was a conversation with his father, Maurice Cohen, a Holocaust survivor. Mr. Cohen’s father urged him not to protect the president, saying he didn’t survive the Holocaust to have his name sullied by Mr. Trump," (final comma included).

You do know how Twitter works, don't you? People send out a short message, using a handful of characters. Other people devote no more than 10 seconds to reading those messages. Then they get themselves all riled up and dash off a reply, also in a handful of characters. The whole process takes under a minute.

Yes, the guy who sent the original tweet linked a newspaper article. But nobody -- nobody -- opens Twitter links. They're hard-pressed enough as it is to click on images in Twitter to expand them, so they (literally) see the full picture.

In any case, almost all of the comments following that tweet seem to be supportive of Maurice Cohen and hopeful that his son will take Trump down. Whatever your point was seems to be completely lost.