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Old 23.08.2018, 09:50
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Surely, until Mr Cohen Snr comes out and says "this isn't true", then it is not "Fake News". It is at worst uncorroborated news, based on a second or third hand account. The irony of any Trump supporter shrilly screaming Fake News is strong though.
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Old 23.08.2018, 09:54
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I'm guessing that either Marton's internet is down again, or he's hurt himsef falling over laughing, so I'll post this for him.
18 Trump tweets yesterday so little chance I can comment on more than a fraction
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

So, in April, Pennywise denied all knowledge of payments to Stormy Daniels by Cohen. Now he says it was his own money, not campaign funds.

Confused? You will be. Tune in to next week's episode of Soap.

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Old 23.08.2018, 11:07
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So, in April, Pennywise denied all knowledge of payments to Stormy Daniels by Cohen. Now he says it was his own money, not campaign funds.

Confused? You will be. Tune in to next week's episode of Soap.
Legally it was a donation to campaign funds

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A brief segment of a Fox & Friends interview released this afternoon by Fox News features President Donald Trump repeatedly emphasizing that the hush money payments at the center of Michael Cohen’s guilty plea were not made with campaign funds. There’s just one problem: That doesn’t exonerate him at all.

In context, Trump appears to be trying to say that this exonerates him, but the opposite is the case — you can’t just evade campaign finance rules by paying for your campaign expenses with non-campaign funds. If you could, the rules would be meaningless.
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On the face of it Trump seems to have publicly confessed
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Old 23.08.2018, 11:19
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On the face of it Trump seems to have publicly confessed
Hahahahaha and ha.
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Surely, until Mr Cohen Snr comes out and says "this isn't true", then it is not "Fake News". It is at worst uncorroborated news, based on a second or third hand account. The irony of any Trump supporter shrilly screaming Fake News is strong though.
Where have I once come out in support of Trump?
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Are the candidates own funds, used for political purposes, considered to be a campaign contribution? And are they subject to limits?
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

The really amazing thing here is that Spanky actually seems to have followed through and paid someone rather than declaring bankruptcy.
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Old 23.08.2018, 12:54
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Where have I once come out in support of Trump?
Hahahaha. The Groundskeeper shrilly strikes again.

One only needs to look back over the last few pages to find you attempting to derail any criticism of him, this is a strong theme throughout this thread.
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Are the candidates own funds, used for political purposes, considered to be a campaign contribution? And are they subject to limits?
They are considered to be a campaign contribution and have to reported as such.
I believe there are no limits.

What is an election contribution?
A contribution includes:

• Paying debts incurred by or for a candidate or committee before or after an election

Presumably Trump did not report these contributions to avoid drawing attention to their purpose?
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Cohen’s attorney, Lanny Davis told CNN on Wednesday that Cohen wants to talk to Mueller about whether Trump knew in advance that hacked Democratic emails were going to be published ahead of the 2016 election. Trump has denied this.

“I don't know if it's a smoking gun or how decisive it is. What I'm suggesting is that Mr. Cohen was an observer and was a witness to Mr. Trump's awareness of those emails before they were dropped, and it would pertain to the hacking of the email accounts." – Davis.
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Cohen seems to know a lot about Trump
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Hahahaha. The Groundskeeper shrilly strikes again.

One only needs to look back over the last few pages to find you attempting to derail any criticism of him, this is a strong theme throughout this thread.
Nevermind Groundskeeper, you can't prove it.
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Surely, until Mr Cohen Snr comes out and says "this isn't true", then it is not "Fake News". It is at worst uncorroborated news, based on a second or third hand account. The irony of any Trump supporter shrilly screaming Fake News is strong though.
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Nevermind Groundskeeper, you can't prove it.
What is there to prove? You jumped on the above quote assuming it was about you. All I read in that post was "any Trump supporter" not "Loz is a Trump supporter"

Although, on balance, you would tip the scales down more as a Trump supporter than detractor, given the flavour of your posts.
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Most people are mature enough to read the whole article and reach sensible conclusions.

You are the one creating spin!
No idea if my maturity is in doubt.
Fact is: I could not read the article (as I'm not willing to register) but I did get those "head-lines" now.
All I can say is that I'm mature enough not to consider them in any decisions/opinion forming of mine. Which doesn't stop the consequence that in 15 years or so I might say something like "yeah, I heard that somewhere once".
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Nevermind Groundskeeper, you can't prove it.
Now this is a good example of Fake News.
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What is there to prove? You jumped on the above quote assuming it was about you. All I read in that post was "any Trump supporter" not "Loz is a Trump supporter"
Now imagine you'd been criticising people for taking offence to things that didn't apply to them. You gotta laugh at the snowflakery.
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What is there to prove? You jumped on the above quote assuming it was about you. All I read in that post was "any Trump supporter" not "Loz is a Trump supporter"

Although, on balance, you would tip the scales down more as a Trump supporter than detractor, given the flavour of your posts.


Yup, Spanky fan, bit late to deny it now the tide is turning.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

I think Loz has a point, they should make it clear from the start that this is unconfirmed hearsay.
This may well apply to many other comparable cases but that doesn't make this one any better.

What they should have done is, make it clear at the start that this is unconfirmed hearsay. Like:
"According to an unnamed source, a personal turning point ..."

Not doing so frames the beginning as a confirmed fact. Even if you read the whole two paragraphs
the presentation as fact will probably stick. And those who read on will probably forget about it smply
because it fits so well into the story as it's presented. The various points, including the no longer
visible tweet, support (and seem to confirm each other) all too well.

Granted, this is 3/4 down in a 2000-word artilce. But when you claim to have the moral high ground
you better prove it.
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In late June, Mr. Cohen openly broke with Mr. Trump.

A personal turning point for Mr. Cohen was a conversation with his father, Maurice Cohen, a Holocaust survivor.

Mr. Cohen’s father urged him not to protect the president, saying he didn’t survive the Holocaust to have his name sullied by Mr. Trump, according to a person who was told about the conversation. The elder Mr. Cohen couldn’t be reached for comment.

On June 20, Mr. Cohen stepped down from his position as the Republican National Committee’s deputy finance chairman and tweeted his first public criticism of his former boss: “As the son of a Polish holocaust survivor, the images and sounds of this family separation policy [are] heart wrenching.” The tweet no longer appears on Mr. Cohen’s Twitter account.

By then, Mr. Cohen had hired New York lawyer Guy Petrillo to represent him in the Manhattan U.S. attorney’s probe. The choice of Mr. Petrillo, who had once served as the chief of the office’s criminal division, was seen as a sign that Mr. Cohen hoped to cooperate. Mr. Petrillo began to signal this intent to prosecutors.

Shortly after Mr. Petrillo’s hiring, Mr. Cohen told ABC News in an interview that his first loyalty was to his family and country, not to the president.

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I think Loz has a point, they should make it clear from the start that this is unconfirmed hearsay.
This may well apply to many other comparable cases but that doesn't make this one any better.

What they should have done is, make it clear at the start that this is unconfirmed hearsay. Like:
"According to an unnamed source, a personal turning point ..."
Even more so when you claim to have the moral high ground.

Not doing so frames the beginning as a confirmed fact. Even if you read the whole two paragraphs
the presentation as fact will probably stick.
But if they were to implement that for anti-Trump reporting they'd have to do the same for pro-Trump articles and then they'd be screwed.

Probably safer not to kick that nest of vipers.
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But if they were to implement that for anti-Trump reporting they'd have to do the same for pro-Trump articles and then they'd be screwed.

Probably safer not to kick that nest of vipers.
I would think the WSJ does. Can you point to uncorrected articles that demonstrate the contrary?
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