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I would think the WSJ does. Can you point to uncorrected articles that demonstrate the contrary?
You mean find you Trump articles which don't state it's "unconfirmed hearsay" at the beginning in the way you described in your post?
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But if they were to implement that for anti-Trump reporting they'd have to do the same for pro-Trump articles and then they'd be screwed.
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Yup, Spanky fan, bit late to deny it now the tide is turning.
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Whatever it is you meant. I'm not really into reading minds.
Umm... you said of the WSJ "What they should have done is, make it clear at the start that this is unconfirmed hearsay."

So, basically you said the article should have carried a disclaimer at the top that it was unconfirmed hearsay. Amirite? Or did you mean something else?

I then pointed out that if this became the norm then all the articles (anti and pro Trump) should then also carry such disclaimers where appropriate and, if that were the case, most of the Trump guff would dry up overnight because it would be prefixed with "by the way, this is all hearsay".

Wasn't really a biggy and not really anything to link, just a point to say if you apply one set of rules to one side, you have to apply it to the other.
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Yup, Spanky fan, bit late to deny it now the tide is turning.
Just a fan of watching you all turning yourselves inside out because you still can't accept that Trump won. 764 pages and still going strong.
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Just a fan of watching you all turning yourselves inside out because you still can't accept that Trump won. 764 pages and still going strong.
You are digging so much, that I'm surprised Indiana Jones hasn't turned up to stop some very fine people from stealing a religious artefact.
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Just a fan of watching you all turning yourselves inside out because you still can't accept that Trump won. 764 pages and still going strong.


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Just a fan of watching you all turning yourselves inside out because you still can't accept that Trump won. 764 pages and still going strong.
You really think this whole thread has been about disbelief that Trump won? Not, perhaps, about chronicling what a stupefyingly appalling president he has been? I'm pretty sure there's even more than 764 pages of material available to keep this thread running.

Nobody doubts that Trump won. There's a lot of doubt that he won legitimately, and that will soon come to a head, courtesy of Mr Mueller, I'm sure. But the real story is the hourly slapstick cartoon show road crash that is the current presidency. Sadly for Trump, social and other media have made it possible to dig deeply into the goings-on at the White House and follow them every minute of the day, and it makes compelling viewing. That's what this thread is all about.

So, what's your view of Trump, Loz? Do you generally support him, or do you just want him to remain in office for the lolz?
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I think Loz has a point, they should make it clear from the start that this is unconfirmed hearsay.
The cheap Swiss newspaper do that by putting a question mark in the headline.

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But if they were to implement that for anti-Trump reporting they'd have to do the same for pro-Trump articles and then they'd be screwed.
Yes.
Why would they be screwed?

Anything reported should start with: "President Trump claims ...."
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Umm... you said of the WSJ "What they should have done is, make it clear at the start that this is unconfirmed hearsay."

So, basically you said the article should have carried a disclaimer at the top that it was unconfirmed hearsay. Amirite? Or did you mean something else?
What makes you think the disclaimer should be at the start of the article? An article with 2000 words, as mentioned! The second half-sentence in the example that follows the "Like:" is the start of the 2nd paragraph in the WSJ quote.

And yes, that principle applies to all parties, where applicable. It should be SOP. Obviously it doesn't apply to everything they write as some stuff is actually fact based and reasonably accurate, including stuff by Trump's supporters. Even Trump hisself gets it right every once in a while.
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What makes you think the disclaimer should be at the start of the article? The second half-sentence in the example that follows the "Like:" is the start of a paragraph in the WSJ quote.
Well, clearly you think it should be at the start of the article, too...

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I think Loz has a point, they should make it clear from the start that this is unconfirmed hearsay.
This may well apply to many other comparable cases but that doesn't make this one any better.

What they should have done is, make it clear at the start that this is unconfirmed hearsay. Like:
"According to an unnamed source, a personal turning point ..."
Even more so when you claim to have the moral high ground.

Not doing so frames the beginning as a confirmed fact. Even if you read the whole two paragraphs
the presentation as fact will probably stick.
I dunno. A disclaimer at the start of an article is probably as good a place as any. I was agreeing with you...

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And yes, that principle applies to all parties, where applicable. It should be SOP. Obviously it doesn't apply to everything they write as some stuff is actually fact based and reasonably accurate, even stuff by Trump's supporters. Even Trump hisself gets it right every once in a while.
Which is why I said "where appropriate" in my post.
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Well, clearly you think it should be at the start of the article, too...
An example demonstrates what is meant. My example contains an actual part of the article, and that part is not at it's start, rather it's the start of the 2nd paragraph of the WSJ quote.

To phrase it differently, I placed the injunction at the start of the hearsay about Cohen's father. That's where I think it belongs and where it makes the most sense.
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President Trump trumpets 'longest bull run in the history of the stock market' in tweet

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/pr...eet-2018-08-22

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President Trump trumpets 'longest bull run in the history of the stock market' in tweet

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/pr...eet-2018-08-22

EF trumpets longest run of bull in the history of the presidency.
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An example demonstrates what is meant. My example contains an actual part of the article, and that part is not at it's start, rather it's the start of the 2nd paragraph of the WSJ quote.

To phrase it differently, I placed the injunction at the start of the hearsay about Cohen's father. That's where I think it belongs and where it makes the most sense.
OK, so now we've thrashed out the excruciating minutiae of what text should go where, you presumably agree that the same should be applied to similar articles which are pro-Trump?

(Just hypothetically, obvs - no specific article in mind).
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President Trump trumpets 'longest bull run in the history of the stock market' in tweet

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/pr...eet-2018-08-22

A perfect example of Trump spreading fake news. Of course it's the longest bull run in history, as long as you exclude the longer bull run that finished nine years before this one started.

I assume that Trump noted that the current bull run started when President Obama took office and continued for the entire eight years oh his presidency, right? And I assume that Trump guaranteed to keep the momentum produced throughout the Obama years going all through the Trump presidency... right? But then again, maybe the bull run has already been maintained throughout the entirety of Trump's presidency.
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A perfect example of Trump spreading fake news. Of course it's the longest bull run in history, as long as you exclude the longer bull run that finished nine years before this one started.

I assume that Trump noted that the current bull run started when President Obama took office and continued for the entire eight years oh his presidency, right? And I assume that Trump guaranteed to keep the momentum produced throughout the Obama years going all through the Trump presidency... right? But then again, maybe the bull run has already been maintained throughout the entirety of Trump's presidency.
Trump is not the only one claiming that this is the longest bull run. Neither did he claim the success for it in his tweet: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...58618576900096

It's just about what you want to believe.
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OK, so now we've thrashed out the excruciating minutiae of what text should go where, you presumably agree that the same should be applied to similar articles which are pro-Trump?

(Just hypothetically, obvs - no specific article in mind).
Of course, as already mentioned. This should be professional standard.

First priority however should be to leave them out. Nonetheless it's understandable that it wasn't deleted in this case because it makes the whole passage believable.
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Mollie Tibbetts

From the White House "For 34 days, investigators searched for 20-year-old Mollie Tibbetts. Yesterday, an illegal alien, now charged with first-degree murder, led police to the cornfield where her body was found.

The Tibbetts family has been permanently separated. They are not alone."

From DT "“You heard about today with the illegal alien coming in, very sadly, from Mexico and you saw what happened to that incredible, beautiful young woman,” he said. “Should’ve never happened. … The laws are so bad, the immigration laws are such a disgrace. We’re getting it changed, but we have to get more Republicans...We need the wall"

From the suspect's lawyer "Mollie Tibbetts’ accused killer is in Iowa legally, his lawyer says, calling Trump 'sad and sorry' for weighing in" (obviously the employers dispute this.

From the victim's family “Please remember, Evil comes in EVERY color,” Billie Jo Calderwood wrote on Facebook Tuesday night, only a few hours after authorities announced that the 20-year-old Tibbetts’ remains had been found about a month after she disappeared from Brooklyn, Iowa.

Calderwood, described in various media reports as Tibbetts’ aunt, later shared another user’s post which stated, in part, “Please do not compound the atrocity of what happened to her by adding racism and hate to the equation. … Do not turn #molliesmovement into something ugly.”

I guess the truth lies somewhere in between but likely a little further away from the Shite House.
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