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You support Trump and his actions, but it is a bit embarassing now, so you've decided to dial it back a bit. It's OK, we sympathise.

Everone flips on Spanky eventually, its ok.
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You should work on your presentation of facts.

I would present it as: Donald Trump and Winston Churchill have similar sleep routines
https://interestingengineering.com/h...ople-get-night
But Trump is not listed?
So where are the facts?
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Allen Weisselberg, the longtime chief financial officer of the Trump Organization, has been granted immunity by federal prosecutors working on the criminal investigation into Michael Cohen,
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Allen Weisselberg, the longtime chief financial officer of the Trump Organization, has been granted immunity by federal prosecutors working on the criminal investigation into Michael Cohen,
So how many people close to Trump are not criminals
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Allen Weisselberg, the longtime chief financial officer of the Trump Organization, has been granted immunity by federal prosecutors working on the criminal investigation into Michael Cohen,
Time to buy shares in popcorn

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It's all so sordid. Talk about bringing the presidency into disrepute.
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I don't support Trump, but I do enjoy having him in the White House for the lolz. Whilst I don't support Trump, I respect him. When you consider what he was up against - the media, the political establishment, comedians, celebrities and he was able to come out and win the election.

Looking at his record so far, you can't say that he's been a particularly bad or a particularly good President. The opposition to him is 80% based on emotion. For this reason it's good having him in office.
He is a spectacularly bad president. Even Stevie Wonder would see this.
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It's all so sordid. Talk about bringing the presidency into disrepute.
That happened the day he was elected, luckily this thread exists to vindicate all those who guessed it would turn out this way
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President Trump's attorney Rudy Giuliani on Friday rejected Trump's assertion that the practice of cooperating with prosecutors in a plea agreement should be illegal.

“The President is not a lawyer,” Giuliani told the New York Daily News.

The former New York City mayor added that Trump may not have had a complete understanding of what he was talking about when he made the claim during an interview with "Fox & Friends" host Ainsley Earhardt.
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When even your own lawyers doubt you then maybe it is time to throw in the towel.

Meanwhile Trump is throwing in the towel on North Korea

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I have asked Secretary of State Mike Pompeo not to go to North Korea, at this time, because I feel we are not making sufficient progress with respect to the denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula...
I am sure not talking to North Korea will really enhance progress
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He is a spectacularly bad president. Even Stevie Wonder would see this.
Compared to who? Bush jr? Obama? Carter? Reagan? Clinton? How has he been spectacularly worse than recent presidents?
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Jesus, Loz, open your eyes and pull your head out of Trump's arse. OK, for your personal safety and the sake of hygiene, do it the other way around. But seriously, how can you claim not to support Trump, yet suggest that he is better than all the presidents going back 40 years?

With the exception of not destroying the US economy yet, Trump has achieved nothing positive and has inflicted serious damage on the US and on the world, and has created an enormous rift in the US that will take a generation to heal. Even Republican scholars rank him as one of the worst US presidents of all time (I will post the reference shortly).

Oh, and special lols for leaving George H.W. Bush off your list. Masterful trolling.
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Jesus, Loz, open your eyes and pull your head out of Trump's arse. OK, for your personal safety and the sake of hygiene, do it the other way around. But seriously, how can you claim not to support Trump, yet suggest that he is better than all the presidents going back 40 years?

With the exception of not destroying the US economy yet, Trump has achieved nothing positive and has inflicted serious damage on the US and on the world, and has created an enormous rift in the US that will take a generation to heal. Even Republican scholars rank him as one of the worst US presidents of all time (I will post the reference shortly).
How about you post some reasons then instead of just parroting your assertions.
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How about you post some reasons then instead of just parroting your assertions.
Like you post reasons not assertions
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I am sure not talking to North Korea will really enhance progress
Last time he got a really big letter, IIRC personally delivered by some high-ranking general
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George Conway, the husband of White House counselor Kellyanne Conway, tweeted at President Trump on Friday that the country needs a leader who understands how to faithfully execute the law.

“What everyone should want, and the country needs, is a ‘President’ capable of comprehending what it means to ‘take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed,’” Conway tweeted.
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How about you post some reasons then instead of just parroting your assertions.
Read this first up. It's a report on the scholarly ranking of all of the US presidents that I referred to above. Trump is ranked the worst of all US presidents. He actually managed to be worse than Buchanan, the perennial whipping boy on the list of presidents. Even those scholars who identify as Republican ranked Trump 40th out of 44. Splendid result, I'm sure you'll agree. Or would, if you weren't so blinkered and incapable of analysis of all the clear facts available to anybody who cares to open their eyes.

So you want some reasons. If you don't know what the following are and why Trump is such a disastrous president with respect to each of these issues, please use Google or phone a friend.

- Nepotism. Ivanka, Jared, friends and cronies... Unqualified, unelected, and incapable.
- Mendacity. No president has ever lied as often, as deeply or as seriously as Trump. He is completely untrustworthy.
- Narcissism. Trump cares only for himself. Despite demanding loyalty, he never gives it to others.
- Lack of intellect. Who knows what Trump's IQ is; however, he appears incapable of grasping basic facts, he behaves extraordinarily childishly (schoolyard nicknames, impersonations) and he is also poorly educated and astonishingly ignorant.
- To underscore the point above: the Paris Accord. He actually believes that the USA is "the cleanest and most environmentally friendly country on Earth". In fact, on some measures it is the second most polluting country in the world.
- Laziness. In his short time in office so far, Trump has taken more vacation and played more golf than any other president.
- Vengeance. Trump is hell-bent on revenge for any and all perceived slights. Anything that President Obama created or supported, Trump has tried to tear down, regardless of its merits. Witness his repeated (failed) attempts to dismantle Obamacare.

Trump has many, many more character flaws (there's cowardice, racism, lack of civic responsibilty, complete lack of a moral compass, among many others), and I only just got started on his policy failures, but I'm sure you can google more. Do you really need me to list everything out for you?
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Read this first up. It's a report on the scholarly ranking of all of the US presidents that I referred to above. Trump is ranked the worst of all US presidents. He actually managed to be worse than Buchanan, the perennial whipping boy on the list of presidents. Even those scholars who identify as Republican ranked Trump 40th out of 44. Splendid result, I'm sure you'll agree. Or would, if you weren't so blinkered and incapable of analysis of all the clear facts available to anybody who cares to open their eyes.

So you want some reasons. If you don't know what the following are and why Trump is such a disastrous president with respect to each of these issues, please use Google or phone a friend.

- Nepotism. Ivanka, Jared, friends and cronies... Unqualified, unelected, and incapable.
- Mendacity. No president has ever lied as often, as deeply or as seriously as Trump. He is completely untrustworthy.
- Narcissism. Trump cares only for himself. Despite demanding loyalty, he never gives it to others.
- Lack of intellect. Who knows what Trump's IQ is; however, he appears incapable of grasping basic facts, he behaves extraordinarily childishly (schoolyard nicknames, impersonations) and he is also poorly educated and astonishingly ignorant.
- To underscore the point above: the Paris Accord. He actually believes that the USA is "the cleanest and most environmentally friendly country on Earth". In fact, on some measures it is the second most polluting country in the world.
- Laziness. In his short time in office so far, Trump has taken more vacation and played more golf than any other president.
- Vengeance. Trump is hell-bent on revenge for any and all perceived slights. Anything that President Obama created or supported, Trump has tried to tear down, regardless of its merits. Witness his repeated (failed) attempts to dismantle Obamacare.

Trump has many, many more character flaws (there's cowardice, racism, lack of civic responsibilty, complete lack of a moral compass, among many others), and I only just got started on his policy failures, but I'm sure you can google more. Do you really need me to list everything out for you?
You do realise that's just a survey you posted, don't you? And a survey of political scientists at that for a sitting President that's only been two years in the job. So no chance for reflection and interpretation of the finished job. It's like doing a survey with the Arab world to ask which is the most evil country, there's only going to be one answer. Trump is no politician so your survey proves diddly shit.

As does your list. All you've done is list character flaws, which I'm not going to defend because I don't particularly like Trump the man. Winston Churchill is widely considered to be Britain's greatest leader in history, he was also a racist, a colonialist, an alcoholic and manic depressive. This doesn't take the shine of his achievements. (and no I'm not comparing Churchill to Trump)

How about you look at what Trump's achieved to date: the economy, bringing North Korea to the negotiating table, employment, supreme court selection, not invading any countries yet, the number of people that have died as a result of his military intervention. How does that stack up against previous Presidents?
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You do realise that's just a survey you posted, don't you? And a survey of political scientists at that for a sitting President that's only been two years in the job. So no chance for reflection and interpretation of the finished job. It's like doing a survey with the Arab world to ask which is the most evil country, there's only going to be one answer. Trump is no politician so your survey proves diddly shit.

As does your list. All you've done is list character flaws, which I'm not going to defend because I don't particularly like Trump the man. Winston Churchill is widely considered to be Britain's greatest leader in history, he was also a racist, a colonialist, an alcoholic and manic depressive. This doesn't take the shine of his achievements. (and no I'm not comparing Churchill to Trump)

How about you look at what Trump's achieved to date: the economy, bringing North Korea to the negotiating table, employment, supreme court selection, not invading any countries yet, the number of people that have died as a result of his military intervention. How does that stack up against previous Presidents?
"Trump is no politician": yes, Loz. Nail. Head. You want someone to prepare your company's accounts, you hire an accountant. You need heart surgery, you go to a surgeon. You want someone to run a country and be Commander in Chief of its military forces... obviously, among its last few presidents, a failed, multiply bankrupted housing developer would be the best choice.

I told you I hadn't even started on his policies, but since you started a list let's hear your justification for ranking Trump the greatest US president of the modern age. I'm sure your opinion would be more objective than a survey of qualified scholars. To remind you, you mentioned:

- The economy. On purely objective measures, Obama had far greater success than Trump , sustained over eight years, and most (rational) people accept that Trump has inherited a booming economy from Obama. So you're saying that his great achievement here is not screwing it up. Great going.
- North Korea. Actual lol. I guess you don't follow Trump's Twitter. Where is Pompeo today? There is no negotiation table. All Trump has achieved is empowerment of Kim; he has elevated Kim's status at home and among his few allies, strengthening his desperately desired perception as a leader who mixes with the most powerful in the world. How's that denuclearization of the North Korean peninsula going?
- Employment. Closely linked to he economy, obviously. Trump is riding on Obama's coattails, and must be hating it, that everybody can see he's getting a free ride. Oh, and how many times has Trump falsely claimed that unemployment among blacks/black youths/etc. is the "lowest ever"? Also, for examples of presidents who had a far greater handle on the economy, see Reagan and Clinton.
- Supreme Court selection. Another actual lol. A Supreme Court justice dies, and a Republican president manages to get a Republican nominee through a Republican-controlled Senate to be appointed as his replacement. An incredible achievement. It was quite fun to watch Gorsuch subsequently make several decisions against the government's stance. I truly fail to see how appointing one justice (soon to be two) somehow makes Trump a greater president than all his predecessors, many of whom also appointed Supreme Court justices.
- Not invading any countries yet. Seriously?! Yes, Loz, you're right. Trump has succeeded through inaction (although of course, he did state during a briefing that he didn't understand why he shouldn't use nuclear weapons). This is the mark of a truly great president. Of course, his imposition of sanctions and trade barriers against NATO and other allies is also one of the greatest things any president has ever done and is bound to enhance the standing of the United States around the world.
- The number of people that have died as a result of his military intervention. I don't know what this number is in the 19 months of Trump's presidency so far. Do.you? I do know that it's far greater than zero, and that Trump has absolutely no clue about foreign policy, being unable even to get the names of other countries right. I see no evidence that he has any plan to solve all the many conflicts in the world in which the United States has chosen to insert itself. Even appointing the renowned expert Jared to sort out the Israel/Palestine problem just doesn't seem to have worked. Since you want a comparison, Reagan is credited with bringing down the Iron Curtain and the break-up of the Soviet Union. That looks a little greater to me than Trump's achievement of... doing nothing.

Your ship is sinking, Loz. Pretty soon it'll be just you and the rats left on board.
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You do realise that's just a survey you posted, don't you? And a survey of political scientists at that for a sitting President that's only been two years in the job. So no chance for reflection and interpretation of the finished job. It's like doing a survey with the Arab world to ask which is the most evil country, there's only going to be one answer. Trump is no politician so your survey proves diddly shit.

As does your list. All you've done is list character flaws, which I'm not going to defend because I don't particularly like Trump the man. Winston Churchill is widely considered to be Britain's greatest leader in history, he was also a racist, a colonialist, an alcoholic and manic depressive. This doesn't take the shine of his achievements. (and no I'm not comparing Churchill to Trump)

How about you look at what Trump's achieved to date: the economy, bringing North Korea to the negotiating table, employment, supreme court selection, not invading any countries yet, the number of people that have died as a result of his military intervention. How does that stack up against previous Presidents?
I assume this is irony?
Finally when you have the majority in Congress appointing Supreme Court people is a rubber stamp job!

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I assume this is irony?
Finally when you have the majority in Congress appointing Supreme Court people is a rubber stamp job!

Edit: Bow to 22yards whose reply was much quicker than mine!
Guys it's really not worth it, the thread is full of reasons why Spanky is WOAT, I'm not sure if he's willfully ignorant or just doing crap trolling, but the facts will not change the mind of someone who can't understand them, and I doubt he has the character to acknowledge he backed the wrong horse.
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