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Old 25.08.2018, 21:38
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You cannot blame someone for something they’ve not done yet, even you get that surely? And going by what you’ve just written, you cannot judge Trump’s performance (I.e. say he’s the worst president EVER) until he’s finished his term.
I haven't I merely think that he is a TERRIBLE president/person, even you get that surely?
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The ship is sinking, haha. Yes, Trump is the worst President ever, you know, all he's done so far has been worse than:

- The Vietnam war (50,000 US dead)
- The Bay of Pigs invasion
- The invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan that's resulted in 7000 plus US dead servicemen and women
- The premature withdrawal of troops that resulted in the power vacuum that allowed ISIS to flourish and exacerbated a civil war in Syria
- The intervention in Libya
- The use of Guantanamo Bay
- ...

YOU are so blinkered that you won't give Trump any credit for anything positive that's happened under his leadership. YOU, like many others on here, just can't see past the man. There is no balance anymore. When you can reconcile how anything that Trump has done is worse than Vietnam, or the extrajudicial renditions, or Iraq then I'll start to pay attention. Until then, your ignorance isn't worth my time.
Well now a great man has died. John McCain. They called him a war hero. I would not call him that. He was a victim of this American war crime of Vietnam. A hero maybe because his survived this crime.

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Thank you 3W. May I add a simple request?
I've not attacked anyone personally, although I guess one might read my statements about Trump supporters and Loz's posts in a different way than I do. Such is the nature of typing stuff on a forum and others reading it without hearing my voice to know the inflections.

Speaking of players, Trump's the most creative player there is right now, keeping the rest of the world scrambling wondering what he's up to and what he'll do next. The game has changed, both in American politics and global relations.
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Speaking of players, Trump's the most creative player there is right now, keeping the rest of the world scrambling wondering what he's up to and what he'll do next. The game has changed, both in American politics and global relations.
Creative? Nah. Unpredictable, more like it.
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Well now a great man has died. John McCain. They called him a war hero. I would not call him that. He was a victim of this American war crime of Vietnam. A hero maybe because his survived this crime.
Anyone who has the guts actually to go to war when called upon to do so by his country is a war hero.
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Were the SS war heroes as well?
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Trump visited the Nationwide Children’s Hospital in Ohio, Donald got in some colouring-time with the kids. Very nice of him, pity he coloured the US flag incorrectly #maga
Next time I hope they will give him a colour in by the numbers book!

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Were the SS war heroes as well?
Classing John McCain with the Nazi SS has to be one of the most tasteless posts I have ever seen here.
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Anyone who has the guts actually to go to war when called upon to do so by his country is a war hero.
Anyone who goes voluntarily might be a hero. If you have to go, you are a victim of war.
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Doesn't John McCain have his own thread on EF?


While Trump tries to shut up the press by shouting "fake news" or not admitting them, the German police now also stops the press from access and tells it; "Die Pressefreiheit ist jetzt ausgesetzt". (The freedom of the press is now suspended).
An other sentence was: "Ihre Pressefreiheit endet hier" (your freedom of press ends here now).
Politicians are trying to downplay this now - not possible, the press had no access!

These are things to think (worry) about. They seem subtle (they're not to me) yet they're the sneaking up of changes in a direction none of us can seriously want to head?!?


As to the discussion I followed on here earlier this afternoon: This tendency of calling the Trump followers just stupid, uneducated idiots will not lead anywhere good. It's the struggling yet constantly belittled masses you have to fear. Believing one is so intellectual that the so called "common" people who "don't have a clue" don't matter and should simply be ignored and if that's not possible shouted down is not productive and not one tiny little bit better than what those followers are accused of.
We should ask and study WHAT the hell makes people want to support a delirious, dizzy old man (that is my sentiment) to be the president of the USA? In my opinion it is pure despair of people trying to survive in a society that pretends to be the "rich West" by simply ignoring that it isn't.

And last but not least I wish people would read posts here just for what they are and not pretend they know (and are entitled to judge!!) the person who wrote them. Because - with a few exceptions of those years where people apparently met often in real life - we don't know the people behind the posts.
If a post simply seems to lack content - fair enough, not worth refering to, no?

If it wern't for post like those of Loz we would just keep clapping eachother's shoulders for an other 512 pages, telling eachother how smart we are (which we are not or Trump would be long gone - me thinks).

If the Americans want to get rid of Trump, they have to find out what really drives Trump voters and start working on those problems. They are obviously huge. If they manage to do that two years with Trump was worth the agony - if only to wake up to what really had gone wrong.
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Donald Trump has proposed a redesign for the American flag.

https://twitter.com/2020fight/status...62713378127873

According to a spokesman of the White House, Trump confirmed that Americans should be more grateful to the great nation that founded New York, which can best be honored by adopting the beautiful horizontal red-white-blue in the flag.
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The hilarious thing, when you look at the photos- is that the kids all knew he was doing it wrong- and just watched with that ??? in their eyes, but of course too polite to say anything
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@curley

But the Americans do not want to get rid of Trump, he has massive support?

That is their problem, we do not like it but it is their problem/success?

We live in a free country so we are free to criticise?

Calling the Trump followers just stupid, uneducated idiots is an opinion as valid as any other opinion. Does it have a positive effect or the reverse?
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

It’s not unusual for a president to be asked to steer clear of his fellow party members’ campaigns. If his approval ratings are low and their races are tight, pragmatism trumps politesse.

But it’s beyond strange for a president to be asked to stay away from a fellow party member’s funeral, and it’s positively surreal for the request to be rendered in advance of the person’s death. That’s precisely what has happened with Donald Trump and John McCain.

He wasn’t wanted last month at the funeral of Barbara Bush, the former first lady, either.

Many in Europe believe Trump is an ignorant, racist boor but we do not have a vote.

Of course, Americans are free to vote for him regardless of European opinions and many do so, democracy in action.
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It’s not unusual for a president to be asked to steer clear of his fellow party members’ campaigns. If his approval ratings are low and their races are tight, pragmatism trumps politesse.

But it’s beyond strange for a president to be asked to stay away from a fellow party member’s funeral, and it’s positively surreal for the request to be rendered in advance of the person’s death. That’s precisely what has happened with Donald Trump and John McCain.

He wasn’t wanted last month at the funeral of Barbara Bush, the former first lady, either.

Many in Europe believe Trump is an ignorant, racist boor but we do not have a vote.

Of course, Americans are free to vote for him regardless of European opinions and many do so, democracy in action.
I don’t know what the protocol is for funerals of sitting members of Congress .....would have to look back at Ted Kennedy’s funeral for an example.

However, Trump’s non appearance at Barbara Bush’s funeral is a non issue. The current protocol is that sitting presidents do not attend the funerals of former First Ladies.

Was Trump’s election really “democracy in action”? I think it remains to be seen.
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I don’t know what the protocol is for funerals of sitting members of Congress .....would have to look back at Ted Kennedy’s funeral for an example.

However, Trump’s non appearance at Barbara Bush’s funeral is a non issue. The current protocol is that sitting presidents do not attend the funerals of former First Ladies.

Was Trump’s election really “democracy in action”? I think it remains to be seen.
Fair point although Bill Clinton attended graveside services of Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis in 1994, and delivered an address.
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Fair point although Bill Clinton attended graveside services of Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis in 1994, and delivered an address.
Actually, JFK was the last sitting president to attend a the funeral of a First Lady - Eleanor Roosevelt. The Clinton thing, true, but technically not a funeral.....sorry to pick nits.


I think it is unusual to request the President not attend a sitting member of Congress’ funeral, but it’s the family’s right.
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Fair point although Bill Clinton attended graveside services of Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis in 1994, and delivered an address.
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The White House issued no statement and Trump followed up a brief Twitter condolence to McCain’s family – sent amid the first rush of tributes on Saturday – with complaints about the Russia investigation and boasts about the economy. Then he headed for the golf course.
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George W Bush, who beat McCain for the Republican nomination in 2000, and Barack Obama, who beat him soundly for the White House in 2008, have been asked to speak at Mcain's funeral.

Vice-president Mike Pence posted a message on Twitter from himself and his wife, Karen, that unlike that from his boss, referred to the man himself.

“Karen and I send our deepest condolences to Cindy and the entire McCain family on the passing of Senator John McCain,” Pence wrote. “We honor his lifetime of service to this nation in our military and in public life. His family and friends will be in our prayers. God bless John McCain.”

Hillary Clinton told NBC’s Meet the Press McCain “understood in the marrow of his bones what it meant to be an American”.

She warned: “Our institutions are being severely tested right now, including his beloved Senate. He was trying, in every way he knew how, to sound the alarm.”
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To be realistic, Trump not being at the funeral and not being able to make an address is one less occasion to f' up.
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