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Old 27.08.2018, 00:25
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Classing John McCain with the Nazi SS has to be one of the most tasteless posts I have ever seen here.
Indeed. The weapons they used to kill and maim were completely different.

However, if the Nazis had won WW2, their perception of history would have been dominant and their soldiers revered as war heroes. Important for 'heros' is not being on the losing side.

And really. "one of the most tasteless posts I have ever seen here". That is extending hyperbole in the direction of infinity.
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Anyone who goes voluntarily might be a hero. If you have to go, you are a victim of war.
I suppose this is debateable depending on your views of war. I think being forced to go is probably a better breeding ground for heroism, but each to their own.

What is less debateable is that when he was offered the chance to be released and leave his captured comrades, he remained with them out of solidarity and ended up being tortured for 5 years because of it. That seems pretty heroic.
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Old 27.08.2018, 08:02
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Important for 'heros' is not being on the losing side.
Umm, the McCain was on the losing side in Vietnam.

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Old 27.08.2018, 11:30
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A GOP generated list of potential congressional investigations if the Democrats win a chamber of Congress just leaked... it's a compelling argument on its own to vote blue this November.

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>President Trump’s tax returns

>Trump family businesses — and whether they comply with the Constitution's emoluments clause, including the Chinese trademark grant to the Trump Organization

>Trump's dealings with Russia, including the president's preparation for his meeting with Vladimir Putin

>The payment to Stephanie Clifford — a.k.a. Stormy Daniels

>James Comey's firing

>Trump's firing of U.S. attorneys

>Trump's proposed transgender ban for the military

>Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin's business dealings

>White House staff's personal email use

>Cabinet secretary travel, office expenses, and other misused perks

>Discussion of classified information at Mar-a-Lago

>Jared Kushner's ethics law compliance

>Dismissal of members of the EPA board of scientific counselors

>The travel ban

>Family separation policy

>Hurricane response in Puerto Rico

>Election security and hacking attempts

>White House security clearances
If the current Congress had integrity, valuing good governance over sycophancy, they'd already be taking a closer look.
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A GOP generated list of potential congressional investigations if the Democrats win a chamber of Congress just leaked... it's a compelling argument on its own to vote blue this November.

If the current Congress had integrity, valuing good governance over sycophancy, they'd already be taking a closer look.
Talk about digging your own grave! Clearly they know wot was dun wrong!!
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Have you even contributed any facts to this thread?

You tell me, you're the one reading back.


I did try to engage in debate but being met with emoticons instead of reasoned responses I gave up.


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As to the discussion I followed on here earlier this afternoon: This tendency of calling the Trump followers just stupid, uneducated idiots will not lead anywhere good. It's the struggling yet constantly belittled masses you have to fear. ....
When Spanky won the electoral college I had a discussion about the reason he won with someone at work, 'disaffected underclass blah blah, betrayed by political elites blah blah, marginalised blah blah' all the stuff that seemed to make sense from the political analysis I'd read. My colleague responded with 'nope it's just the stoopids'.


As this dumpster fire of a presidency rages on and the more spanky fans I have met (the month started with a mate and me and 500 spanky fans in northern californai), I have to reluctantly conclude he was right even though it feels like a lazy stereotype.
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Umm, the McCain was on the losing side in Vietnam.

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Well now a great man has died. John McCain. They called him a war hero. I would not call him that. He was a victim of this American war crime of Vietnam. A hero maybe because his survived this crime.


I was discussing McCain a while ago with an American friend describing my admiration for McCain taking the microphone from the ignoramous calling Obama an arab and contrasting this characer with the complete lack of character shown by Spanky. My friend sent me this link which is interesting to read for an opposing point of view, its hard to reconcile some of it with the man who did himself no favours in that debate and was even booed by his own supporters for describing Obama as a decent man.


https://www.rollingstone.com/politic...verick-202004/


The relevance here was that he pulled strings to get to vietnam as a flier when his record of crashes would have precluded him. Hard to know what is true but I prefer to believe on balance he was a good guy.

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You tell me, you're the one reading back.

I did try to engage in debate but being met with emoticons instead of reasoned responses I gave up.

When Spanky won the electoral college I had a discussion about the reason he won with someone at work, 'disaffected underclass blah blah, betrayed by political elites blah blah, marginalised blah blah' all the stuff that seemed to make sense from the political analysis I'd read. My colleague responded with 'nope it's just the stoopids'.

As this dumpster fire of a presidency rages on and the more spanky fans I have met (the month started with a mate and me and 500 spanky fans in northern californai), I have to reluctantly conclude he was right even though it feels like a lazy stereotype.
Asking the work-colleagues in Switzerland is like ..... reading the EF therad. LOL. Definitely it is asking the wrong people.

It would have been interesting, what the 500 spanky fans actually said. I would seriously like to know what people who vote for him/back him up say when they're not attacked. Unfortunately I have not one of those in my enviroment or I would do it myself. I'd invest an entire day just waiting and listening to what they would come up with when feeling relaxed and listened to. I still think, I might be surprised by a thing or two.
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Asking the work-colleagues in Switzerland is like ..... reading the EF therad. LOL. Definitely it is asking the wrong people.

It would have been interesting, what the 500 spanky fans actually said. I would seriously like to know what people who vote for him/back him up say when they're not attacked. Unfortunately I have not one of those in my enviroment or I would do it myself. I'd invest an entire day just waiting and listening to what they would come up with when feeling relaxed and listened to. I still think, I might be surprised by a thing or two.
Welll, I wasn't meaning to hold the individual in question up as an example of right thinking, just making the point that was initially seemed the lazy answer to me is no longer so cut and dried.


It would probably have been interesting to garner opinions but I'm not ashamed to say that after hearing and I quote 'them libtards and their <spit> rainbow flags' I wasn't about to start a discussion. As a side note, politics aside, all the folk we interacted with were really nice chaps.
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Welll, I wasn't meaning to hold the individual in question up as an example of right thinking, just making the point that was initially seemed the lazy answer to me is no longer so cut and dried.


It would probably have been interesting to garner opinions but I'm not ashamed to say that after hearing and I quote 'them libtards and their <spit> rainbow flags' I wasn't about to start a discussion. As a side note, politics aside, all the folk we interacted with were really nice chaps.
Well, they got a point

In the US at the moment you're stuck to either choosing those who can't stop offending or those who are offended if you even look like you're gonna open your mouth.
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A GOP generated list of potential congressional investigations if the Democrats win a chamber of Congress just leaked... it's a compelling argument on its own to vote blue this November.



If the current Congress had integrity, valuing good governance over sycophancy, they'd already be taking a closer look.
Good lord, there isnt enough popcorn in the world
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Good lord, there isnt enough popcorn in the world
Right! It's a good test to see if someone is a Trump defender for the lolz or the ethnonationalism.

Someone in it the lolz would be interested in seeing a Dem majority in Congress for the drama-filled investigations.

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Right! It's a good test to see if someone is a Trump defender for the lolz or the ethnonationalism.
And whom would an ethnonational USA consist of?

Of all places. ROFL.
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And whom would an ethnonational USA consist of?

Of all places. ROFL.
Ain't America special. It's a testament to the powers of tribalism that the descendants of a bunch of formerly persecuted immigrants from around the world can come together, form an in-group, and hate immigrants with as much vitriol as the rest of the world.
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Ain't America special. It's a testament to the powers of tribalism that the descendants of a bunch of formerly persecuted immigrants from around the world can come together, form an in-group, and hate immigrants with as much vitriol as the rest of the world.
Ah, yeah, happens regularly and basically over night with people here as soon as they are naturalized. Fascinating to observe.
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I heard you like Jonathan Pie, Loz.

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Ain't America special. It's a testament to the powers of tribalism that the descendants of a bunch of formerly persecuted immigrants from around the world can come together, form an in-group, and hate immigrants with as much vitriol as the rest of the world.
Yup.

There's Donald J. Trump, for example, whose father was born in the USA but whose mother was a Scottish immigrant (said to have been illegal). All four of Trump's grandparents were born in Europe (Germany and Scotland), just like all of their forebears. Trump's family tree.

By contrast, Barack Obama, to whom Trump constantly compares himself, had an immigrant father (Kenyan), all of whose ancestors going several generations back are believed to have been Kenyan. However, his mother was American, as were her parents, and several generations that preceded them, with the exception of a great-grandfather of Barack Obama who emigrated to the US from Ireland in 1850. Obama's family tree.

So I guess Barack Obama must be more American than Donald Trump.
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I heard you like Jonathan Pie, Loz.

Although it took some time to grow on me, I do. You don't have to follow someones politics to appreciate what they do. I enjoy Frankie Boyle and Armando Iannucci too, but I'm fooked if I stand for their political values. The best thing about Pie is that he highlights the absurdity from both sides. Still has Trumpitis though.
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Trump announces agreement with Mexico on NAFTA overhaul

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Certainly the changes described will increase the consumer prices of US manufactured cars

One part of the plan is to regulate that at least 75% of parts in a car must be US or Mexico made, up from 62.5 percent.

Ironically the only US made vehicles anywhere near meeting this goal are Hondas — the Odyssey minivan and Ridgeline pickup.
Since the "missing" parts are made in Asia who will be the brave people to invest and build new factories to make these parts now; especially as there is no guarantee this 75% rule will survive Trump who will be certainly gone in 6 years; maybe sooner!
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