Will Trump be a Good President? - Page 785

#**15681** 18.09.2018, 17:49

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	Sorry, any excuse to get a pun in

Damn it, I missed the shit-take, first time around! I was still savouring the morels...

taduncombe · #**15682** 18.09.2018, 17:59

	Quote:	terrifisch
	Did you really read the article? If so, I don't know how you could have missed the three paragraphs detailed below: After so many years, Ford said, she does not remember some key details of the incident. She said she believes it occurred in the summer of 1982, when she was 15, around the end of her sophomore year at the all-girls Holton-Arms School in Bethesda. Kavanaugh would have been 17 at the end of his junior year at Georgetown Prep. At the time, Ford said, she knew Kavanaugh and Judge as “friendly acquaintances” in the private-school social circles of suburban Maryland. Her Holton-Arms friends mostly hung out with boys from the Landon School, she said, but for a period of several months socialized regularly with students from Georgetown Prep. Ford said she does not remember how the gathering came together the night of the incident. She said she often spent time in the summer at the Columbia Country Club pool in Chevy Chase, where in those pre-cellphone days, teenagers learned about gatherings via word of mouth. She also doesn’t recall who owned the house or how she got there. So, based on the excerpts above, the accuser is not sure which day, month or year the alleged assault took place nor does know how the party came together, where it took place nor how she got there. As the author states, the accuser does not remember key details...

Yes, I did read it, I posted it initially in this thread. I wasn't contending with the fact she forgot some items, but with the assertion that she doesn't seem credible.

You ignored the information that indicated this is unlikely a false accusation (therapist notes, polygraph, timing of accusation, etc.) and rely on an unsubstantiated premise.

Specifically, the premise that's it's abnormal she doesn't remember all the details. Experts tell us the exact opposite. It's normal for someone to forget some details due to both the trauma and it being over 30 years ago.

Linda Fairenstein former chief of the Manhattan District Attorney’s Office’s Sex Crimes Bureau:

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	... according to Fairstein, it was completely normal that Ford “didn’t remember” several details. “If she testifies, I would expect her to say ‘I don’t remember’ scores of times,” Fairstein said, for two reasons: the passage of time and trauma. “She found this experience so upsetting that she felt her life was in danger. There might be 220 things she doesn’t know and then a very specific sentence about what happened that was so traumatic." Ford has alleged that Kavanaugh pinned her down and clumsily groped her during a prep school party when Ford, 15, was a sophomore and Kavanaugh, 17, a junior. Now 51, Ford, a research psychologist, told The Post, “I thought he might inadvertently kill me.” According to psychologist Anne Meltzer, it may be challenging to recall peripheral details of an assault years later — such as who spread word of the party, who was the designated driver — but that should not detract from a victim’s veracity “if she can clearly and consistently articulate central details of what happened, such as the who, what and where,” she told The Post. Meltzer, who has not reviewed the details of this case, has testified as an expert witness hundreds of times in child sexual abuse cases, with victims up to 17 years old.

Source

#**15683** 18.09.2018, 18:16

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	Source[/URL] I would feel bad for just about anyone else being mocked in this way... but not Trump.

That's the problem with liberals, they have no principles.

#**15684** 18.09.2018, 18:28

	Quote:	taduncombe
	Yes, I did read it, I posted it initially in this thread. I wasn't contending with the fact she forgot some items, but with the assertion that she doesn't seem credible. You ignored the information that indicated this is unlikely a false accusation (therapist notes, polygraph, timing of accusation, etc.) and rely on an unsubstantiated premise. Specifically, the premise that's it's abnormal she doesn't remember all the details. Experts tell us the exact opposite. It's normal for someone to forget some details due to both the trauma and it being over 30 years ago. Linda Fairenstein former chief of the Manhattan District Attorney’s Office’s Sex Crimes Bureau: Source

Well then, let's look at her therapist's notes in which she claims she was assaulted by 4 men - which the accuser now says the therapist "got wrong" and wrote incorrectly and there were only 4 boys at the party but two assaulted her. Except, one didn't really assault her; he watched and then jumped on top of both of them and effectively freed her. Except, that person, Mark Judge, denies the event completely.

And if the therapist's notes were wrong about the number of men involved in the alleged assault, how many other inconsistencies are contained in his notes? It gives question/rise to reasonable doubt.

PS in many states, polygraph tests are not admissible as evidence because they have been proven unreliable. Even at the Federal level, a polygraph test is only admissible at the discretion of judge.

#**15685** 18.09.2018, 18:29

	Quote:	billy bob
	That's the problem with liberals, they have no principles.

Wouldn't it be great if conservatives could quote posts without screwing up the HTML? It's really not that difficult, even greens and independents can do it.

Ouchboy · #**15686** 18.09.2018, 18:31

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	Wouldn't it be great if conservatives could quote posts without screwing up the HTML? It's really not that difficult, even greens and independents can do it.

me suspects dupe

#**15687** 18.09.2018, 18:32

	Quote:	billy bob
	That's the problem with liberals, they have no principles.

They don't have duplicate accounts either.

taduncombe · #**15688** 18.09.2018, 18:41

	Quote:	billy bob
	That's the problem with liberals, they have no principles.

You think my antipathy towards the unprecedently corrupt racial demagogue and confessed sexual predator with autocratic ambitions that 62 million Republicans elected to the most powerful office in the world makes me look bad? Okey dokey Bob....

Perhaps it was Trump's conservative principles of family values (adultery & sexual assault), free trade (protectionism & cronyism), fiscal conservatism (massive increase to the deficit), and law & order (5 people in his campaign have plead guilty to crimes) that got him across the finish line. I sure wish I could have solid principles like ya'll.

taduncombe · #**15689** 18.09.2018, 18:58

	Quote:	terrifisch
	Well then, let's look at her therapist's notes in which she claims she was assaulted by 4 men - which the accuser now says the therapist "got wrong" and wrote incorrectly and there were only 4 boys at the party but two assaulted her.

Do you have a source for this? I haven't seen this yet. I'm quite confused how a party that was vaguely identified, as you correctly noted, can be refuted in such detail before an investigation has taken place. By the way, the FBI requires the Trump administration's OK to investigate it, which they have so far chosen not to give:

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	The White House hasn’t asked the FBI to investigate the allegation that Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh sexually assaulted a woman when they were in high school, a request required for the bureau to take further action, according to two people familiar with the matter.

	Quote:	terrifisch
	Except, one didn't really assault her; he watched and then jumped on top of both of them and effectively freed her. Except, that person, Mark Judge, denies the event completely.

This Mark Judge guy definitely needs to go under oath and tell his story. He seems like a pleasant fellow, writing in his yearbook that:

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	Certain women should be struck regularly, like gongs.

#**15690** 18.09.2018, 19:17

	Quote:	taduncombe
	Do you have a source for this? I haven't seen this yet. I'm quite confused how a party that was vaguely identified, as you correctly noted, can be refuted in such detail before an investigation has taken place. By the way, the FBI requires the Trump administration's OK to investigate it, which they have so far chosen not to give: This Mark Judge guy definitely needs to go under oath and tell his story. He seems like a pleasant fellow, writing in his yearbook that:

Okay... I am getting a little worried here. You post an article which you say you have read but you forget a lot of details about the story you posted. And so here is a refresher:

"Ford said she told no one of the incident in any detail until 2012, when she was in couples therapy with her husband. The therapist’s notes, portions of which were provided by Ford and reviewed by The Washington Post, do not mention Kavanaugh’s name but say she reported that she was attacked by students “from an elitist boys’ school” who went on to become “highly respected and high-ranking members of society in Washington.” The notes say four boys were involved, a discrepancy Ford says was an error on the therapist’s part. Ford said there were four boys at the party but only two in the room."

The article in the Washington Post was my source...

taduncombe · #**15691** 18.09.2018, 19:48

	Quote:	terrifisch
	"The notes say four boys were involved, a discrepancy Ford says was an error on the therapist’s part. Ford said there were four boys at the party but only two in the room."

Ah, I did miss that when I read it 2 days ago. Thanks.

I don't think that transcription error has much bearing on her credibility, do you? What's clear from the presence of notes describing the incident 6 years ago is that this isn't an event she conjured for attention seeking or some unknown nefarious reason. She was a highly successful woman just living her life, dealing with her trauma, until the person who assaulted her was mentioned as a possible supreme court nominee, then she anonymously reached out.

They should put them all on the stand - Christine, Mark, Brett, and other people at the party.

But I don't see a good reason to doubt her story. I believe her.

For the record, I also believe Juanita Broaddrick that Bill Clinton raped her. And I believe the numerous women who claimed Donald Trump sexually assaulted them. I believe the group of women who say Bush Sr. groped them, the ones who accused John Conyers of harassment, those that accused Clarence Thomas of harassment, and Al Franken of groping . I know ya'll want to make this partisan but that's how I approach sexual assault accusations.

#**15692** 18.09.2018, 20:36

	Quote:	taduncombe
	For the record, I also believe Juanita Broaddrick that Bill Clinton raped her. And I believe the numerous women who claimed Donald Trump sexually assaulted them. I believe the group of women who say Bush Sr. groped them, the ones who accused John Conyers of harassment, those that accused Clarence Thomas of harassment, and Al Franken of groping . I know ya'll want to make this partisan but that's how I approach sexual assault accusations.

I believe that Mary was a virgin and that Clinton smoked but didn't inhale.

#**15693** 18.09.2018, 23:44

Just come back from 10 days away, no phone, no internet.

Is he really still in office?

#**15694** 19.09.2018, 00:02

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	Just come back from 10 days away, no phone, no internet. ...

meditating?

#**15695** 19.09.2018, 00:07

Just great food, great wine, great scenery, great spas - great friends

#**15696** 19.09.2018, 10:08

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	Just great food, great wine, great scenery, great spas - great friends

Sounds a great escape, where'd you go?

#**15697** 19.09.2018, 10:15

Uh-oh, the Trump haters won't be happy.

North Korea agrees to shut down missile site, says Moon

#**15698** 19.09.2018, 10:20

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Uh-oh, the Trump haters won't be happy. North Korea agrees to shut down missile site, says Moon

The reason most people who take exception to Trump is because he's largely useless, antagonistic and overwhelmed by a job he clearly didn't think he'd win. If he manages to pull something out of the bag occasionally, isn't that a good thing?

Learning on the job! Give the man a biscuit.

#**15699** 19.09.2018, 10:20

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Uh-oh, the Trump haters won't be happy. North Korea agrees to shut down missile site, says Moon

What has Trump got to do with it? This was a summit between the leaders of the two Koreas...Is Captain Toadstool claiming credit for this too?

Anyway, he promised Toady he'd disarm, then didn't. He's promised Moon he will now - I wouldn't hold my breath.

N.B. - The deal includes the provision that if NK abandon their nuclear programme, the US must take "Reciprocal Measures" - I suspect this is less likely to be US nuclear disarmament, and more likely removal of US Troops from the Korean Peninsula, which of course also won't happen.

#**15700** 19.09.2018, 11:02

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Uh-oh, the Trump haters won't be happy. North Korea agrees to shut down missile site, says Moon

dog - pony - show

This isn't the first time NK has talked about denuclearisation, won't be the last. NK is a nuclear state, that not going to change, why would Kim ever give them up when it's the only reason anyone talks seriously with him?.