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Old 24.09.2018, 21:35
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Really?? So he is completely guilty of this alleged offense because other women at Yale did not like the environment there? Not exactly hard evidence and no one thus far, has come forward to corroborate this second offense.

Sounds like a lot political posturing by the Democrats (and I am an Independent and never voted for Trump). The timing of these allegations is very suspect to me...

Frankly, I am really sick and tired of the back and forth between both parties (Republican and Democrat); I feel like I am watching a bunch of toddlers in a sandbox competing for a shovel and/or bucket.

That said, I cannot accept an accusation as fact unless there is evidence supporting the accusation. The hearing this Thursday will be interesting indeed!
Now four allegations; do try to keep up at the back of the class there.
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Now four allegations; do try to keep up at the back of the class there.
So since I sit in the back of the class apparently, here's an interesting article in the NYT regarding the second allegation from Ramirez:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/23/u...d-testify.html

The NYT refused to publish the claim by Ramirez as, despite it's investigation, it could find NO ONE to cooroborate Ramirez's story. To quote:

"The Times had interviewed several dozen people over the past week in an attempt to corroborate her story, and could find no one with firsthand knowledge. Ms. Ramirez herself contacted former Yale classmates asking if they recalled the incident and told some of them that she could not be certain Mr. Kavanaugh was the one who exposed himself".

But go ahead and assert that an accusation is fact because he/she has been accused of a heinous act. And..he is wealthy and privileged so he must be a jerk and guilty.

Feel like I am back in the 1600s with the Salem witch trials...
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Old 24.09.2018, 22:23
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So since I sit in the back of the class apparently, here's an interesting article in the NYT regarding the second allegation from Ramirez:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/23/u...d-testify.html

The NYT refused to publish the claim by Ramirez as, despite it's investigation, it could find NO ONE to cooroborate Ramirez's story. To quote:

"The Times had interviewed several dozen people over the past week in an attempt to corroborate her story, and could find no one with firsthand knowledge. Ms. Ramirez herself contacted former Yale classmates asking if they recalled the incident and told some of them that she could not be certain Mr. Kavanaugh was the one who exposed himself".

But go ahead and assert that an accusation is fact because he/she has been accused of a heinous act. And..he is wealthy and privileged so he must be a jerk and guilty.

Feel like I am back in the 1600s with the Salem witch trials...
According to Ronan Farrow, one of the two New Yorker journalist behind the article:
The New York Times "reporter pursued Ramirez aggressively. She declined to participate because she was talking exclusively to the New Yorker."
His Tweet

Without the accuser's collaboration, it would be a stretch to report for the NYTs.

In contrast, the New Yorker got the first person account from Ramirez and an individual who is "100% sure" they heard second hand the day after the event.

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Old 24.09.2018, 22:39
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According to Ronan Farrow, one of the two New Yorker journalist behind the article:
The New Your Times "reporter pursued Ramirez aggressively. She declined to participate because she was talking exclusively to the New Yorker."
His Tweet

Without the accuser's collaboration, it would be a stretch to report for the NYTs.

In contrast, the New Yorker got the first person account from Ramirez and an individual who is "100% sure" they heard second hand the day after the event.
And since you are bringing up Ronan Farrow (the journalist who forgot to do a background check on Asia Argento before interviewing her re: the Weinstein scandal), I personally do not hold him in high regard as a journalist.

And so here is a refutation from the National Review (conservative I know but The New Yorker is about as far left as it gets as well!):

https://www.nationalreview.com/corne...onsible-story/

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"There are no corroborating witnesses. None. Of the “dozens” of classmates The New Yorker contacted, all either failed “to respond to interview requests . . . declined to comment, or said they did not attend or remember the party.” Indeed, we learn late in the piece that the authors could not establish that Kavanaugh was even there. “The New Yorker,” the tenth paragraph begins, “has not confirmed with other eyewitnesses that Kavanaugh was present at the party.” The only “evidence” provided comes from a “classmate” who was not at the party, but is certain he heard about the incident, and from “another classmate” who thinks he heard about an incident that could vaguely resemble the one alleged, but doesn’t know to whom it was done, or by whom. Or, as we would traditionally put it: The only proof provided is rumor."
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Old 24.09.2018, 23:01
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Strange I remember every party I was at 30 years ago and the names of people attending
As did underage drunk Blasey.

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Old 24.09.2018, 23:33
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So since I sit in the back of the class apparently, here's an interesting article in the NYT regarding the second allegation from Ramirez:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/23/u...d-testify.html

The NYT refused to publish the claim by Ramirez as, despite it's investigation, it could find NO ONE to cooroborate Ramirez's story. To quote:

"The Times had interviewed several dozen people over the past week in an attempt to corroborate her story, and could find no one with firsthand knowledge. Ms. Ramirez herself contacted former Yale classmates asking if they recalled the incident and told some of them that she could not be certain Mr. Kavanaugh was the one who exposed himself".

But go ahead and assert that an accusation is fact because he/she has been accused of a heinous act. And..he is wealthy and privileged so he must be a jerk and guilty.

Feel like I am back in the 1600s with the Salem witch trials...
And your view on the third and fourth allegations?
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Sorry..but so far, (even though I sit in the "back" of the class (Where are you in the class - I wonder??) the third and fourth accusations are so thinly veiled, most major news media do not cover them.

But... I did find this from the Daily Beast:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/kavana...egation-report

Note the wording "MAY"! And the third accusation from Stormy Daniel's lawyer, well..even the Dems are backing down from that one and he has yet to produce a witness or story. But hey, let's add to the fury and "burn" all "predators" accused.

Hope you never will be wrongfully accused Marton. I gather from what you postulate, your past behavior - regardless of whether you committed a crime - will hold you liable and accountable. Your reputation is all that matters and anyone's account of your past behavior - whether they recall it exactly but "think" it was you - is/was all they will need to prosecute you!

Wow! We are in fact back in the 1600s... Innuendo, supposition and rumor is all we need!

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Old 25.09.2018, 00:28
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Sorry..but so far, (even though I sit in the "back" of the class (Where are you in the class - I wonder??) the third and fourth accusations are so thinly veiled, most major news media do not cover them.

But... I did find this from the Daily Beast:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/kavana...egation-report

Note the wording "MAY"! And the third accusation from Stormy Daniel's lawyer, well..even the Dems are backing down from that one and he has yet to produce a witness or story. But hey, let's add to the fury and "burn" all "predators" accused.

Hope you never will be wrongfully accused Marton. I gather from what you postulate, your past behavior - regardless of whether you committed a crime - will hold you liable and accountable. Your reputation is all that matters and anyone's account of your past behavior - whether they recall it exactly but "think" it was you - was all they need to prosecute you!

Wow! We are in fact back in the 1600s... Innunedo and rumor is all we need!
I see you have already jumped to the conclusion Kavenaugh is "wrongfully accused".

Unlike you I hope all allegations will be fully and properly investigated and not simply swept under the carpet.

I do not have any aspirations to a high office like a Supreme Court Judge but if I did then I would want any allegations against me to be cleared by a reputable official source not a conservative news outlet.
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I see you have already jumped to the conclusion Kavenaugh is "wrongfully accused".

Unlike you I hope all allegations will be fully and properly investigated and not simply swept under the carpet.

I do not have any aspirations to a high office like a Supreme Court Judge but if I did then I would want any allegations against me to be cleared by a reputable official source not a conservative news outlet.
Sorry Marton, I am guessing you sat at the back of the class given your comment. I did not ask for your aspirations and you PRESUME I don't want a thorough investigation. Wrong on all accounts! And a conservative news outlet is worse than a notably liberal one? Your argument is flawed! But keep going as I find this entertaining!
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To quote you:

"I see you have already jumped to the conclusion Kavenaugh is "wrongfully accused".

Unlike you I hope all allegations will be fully and properly investigated and not simply swept under the carpet.

I do not have any aspirations to a high office like a Supreme Court Judge but if I did then I would want any allegations against me to be cleared by a reputable official source not a conservative news outlet."

Innocent until proven guilty. Innuendo, supposition and hearsay do not count but evidence does.

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Old 25.09.2018, 00:39
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Sorry Marton, I am guessing you sat at the back of the class given your comment. I did not ask for your aspirations and you PRESUME I don't want a thorough investigation. Wrong on all accounts! And a conservative news outlet is worse than a notably liberal one? Your argument is flawed! But keep going as I find this entertaining!
I doubt the alleged victims find this entertaining.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Time to ask another more appropriate question. Is the whole " institution" of Presidency coming to an end? Trump is it's death throes!
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I doubt the alleged victims find this entertaining.
I was referring to your commentary as "entertaining" and not the alleged victims
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I was referring to your commentary as "entertaining" and not the alleged victims
Well Hollywood is dead-so the whole thing in the politics and Trump becomes the " live entertainment of the USA.". God bless Amerika!
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So since I sit in the back of the class apparently, here's an interesting article in the the failing NYT regarding the second allegation from Ramirez:
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...And a conservative news outlet is worse than a notably liberal one? Your argument is flawed! But keep going as I find this entertaining!
Where does Marton mention a liberal news outlet? "Official source" are his exact words.
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Well Hollywood is dead-so the whole thing in the politics and Trump becomes the " live entertainment of the USA.". God bless Amerika!
Well, at least there's some transparency in regards with internal and external affairs of the USA we can all comment on from the comfort of our armchairs...
Not the same things could be said about Russia and another countries that get away with much worse violations of justice and human rights. I don't think you can have a realistic picture of what's going on in places where you can either be assassinated or imprisoned for life for only contradicting the official ideologies or the Czar, the supreme leaders and so on.

So yeah, I get where terrifisch is coming from. We're all too eager to point a finger at the USA because it's so easy. And we can safely get away with pretty much any assumption or affirmation we see fit to release out there in the virtual fora, no matter how little informed or accurate they can be. And she's right when she says all you need now is rumours and suppositions. But, but, of course everyone can be blinded and immune to facts because of their own biases. In this case though, the big question mark and the most credible accusation comes from the first woman who appears to have a case against Kavanaugh. I'm a bit reluctant to consider the rest of the allegations... people seem to underestimate the public hysteria. But that case enough would be sufficient to rule out such a candidate for that kind of public function. Let's hope proper investigations will take place and nobody will sweep under the carpet things that make that man so incompatible with the role he's proposed for.

.....and, for my friends and relatives who have a good life there because they never soaked into the victimhood culture that is so prevalent these days, yes, it's "God bless AmeriCa". Please try to limit the amount of unnecessary contempt and you'll get more credibility or at least understanding. Just a humble piece of advice.

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The hearing this Thursday will be interesting indeed!
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Bit of a sexist post. Or maybe I am mistaken?
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Seems you are putting women down in this post. Or maybe I am mistaken?
Exactly that. Moroccan women to be precise.
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