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"falsely accused"?. No comment needed
I think the wording is actually Ok in this context, his point only works if they're false.
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Old 28.09.2018, 11:35
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I think the wording is actually Ok in this context, his point only works if they're false.
Not at all. By using "falsely" immediately questions Dr. Ford's integrity; no accusations are "false", an accusation is an accusation. What's the alternative, a "true" accusation?
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Let's ignore Ford's testimony. Let's even ignore the question of if the assault actually happened.

Turn the sound off on your TV, just watch his facial expression. He's whining.


Brett Kavanaugh: Republicans push for US Supreme Court vote

Absolutely. These photos are a clear example of a man whining and a woman being brave.
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Old 28.09.2018, 13:50
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Why don't they just let the FBI investigate it? If he is innocent, then he should be all for it. He even stated he wanted to be treated "fairly" in a recent Fox interview. What's fairer than a fully independent, non-partisan investigation?

Oh, I forgot, the FBI is full of bitter Democrats who want to destroy Trump etc etc...
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Why don't they just let the FBI investigate it? If he is innocent, then he should be all for it. He even stated he wanted to be treated "fairly" in a recent Fox interview. What's fairer than a fully independent, non-partisan investigation?

Oh, I forgot, the FBI is full of bitter Democrats who want to destroy Trump etc etc...
He said that he's "all in immediately" in response to the prospect of an FBI investigation.

Judge Kavanaugh Responds to Calls for an FBI Investigation
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Old 28.09.2018, 14:06
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

What about his lying to Conress at least four times? Shouldn’t that disqualifiy him? Or is lying to Congress OK?
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Old 28.09.2018, 14:13
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He said that he's "all in immediately" in response to the prospect of an FBI investigation.

Judge Kavanaugh Responds to Calls for an FBI Investigation


"all in to whatever the committee wants" != " I want the FBI to investigate"
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Old 28.09.2018, 14:19
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Sorry but I disagree! Graham was extremely effective and both Ford and Kavanaugh were impressive in their testimony. Both came off as believable but as Ford does not have witnesses and those she cited as potential witnesses refuted her claim, think they will vote for Kavanaugh. But who knows?
By "off the rails" I meant that he was so animated, shouting, red-faced, and totally lost his temper at a colleague during a televised hearing - something very uncharacteristic for Graham. He's normally the friendly, smiling, let's all get along type. Boring, friendly Lindsay doesn't garner much media attention. The guy who showed up to the hearing had some fire in his belly - he's all over the news today!

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I think Feinstein is lying here...
It does make you wonder, doesn't it? Feinstein didn't dare to look at Graham as he was filleting her like a fish with his words. The question is, what would be gained by her and/or the Democrats with such a tactic? Why wait so long and not try to torpedo the nomination from the start?

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If I was being falsely accused of a sexual assault from 36 years ago which was now putting my career in jeopardy I'd probably be whining about it too.
Thing is, his career isn't truly in jeopardy. If he's not confirmed, he is still a judge on one of the highest courts in the land - just not on THE highest court. I suppose one could argue that getting on the Supreme Court is the highest rung of a judge's career ladder, but the idea he's going to lose out something he's entitled to or that his overall career is ruined is not true.

Why not let the FBI investigate? As best I can tell this is a he-said/she-said from 36 years ago. I doubt there's any evidence sufficient enough to lead to criminal charges.
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no accusations are "false", an accusation is an accusation. What's the alternative, a "true" accusation?
What?
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Fair enough, but it seems an odd turn of phrase. An accusation will be confirmed only after due process, not before any investigation has been carried out, surely?

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What about his lying to Conress at least four times? Shouldn’t that disqualifiy him? Or is lying to Congress OK?



Lying to congress is not only OK, its encouraged.
You must be new to following US politics.
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I think Feinstein is lying here...
After Cosby and some other cases too, I would be very reluctant to defend any public figure involved in such cases up to the point of being ready to cut off a limb for the likes of Kavanaugh...Why don't you wait for proper investigations? Life is full of surprises..!
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Old 28.09.2018, 15:35
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Good job Kavanaugh is a man, eh? Imagine the field day the conservative press would have over, God forbid, a woman ranting and crying in a Senate hearing .
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

That's a very serious allegation. It should be investigated in any case because:
1. Dr. Ford deserves the right to have her claims verified, just like any other potential victim
2. If Kavanaugh is not guilty, he deserves to serve his life-long term without the potential black spot on his image; otherwise this will be always attached to him, for life
3. If Kavanaugh is guilty, well it's obvious, he must be asked very politely to f$$k off

The only scenario in which an investigation is not welcome is in case his supporters have a doubt on his credibility and he himself is "oh, shit, I was so pissed did i really do that?!"
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An accusation will be confirmed only after due process, not before any investigation has been carried out, surely?
Essentially, yes. Though I'd think confirmation and refusal, respectively, happen mostly during due process. Not exclusively but mostly.

Ford says three were present but only two have to testify before the committee. I find this quite odd but perhaps Judge's claim to be an (soon ex-)alcoholic on recovery is reason enough to not put him under the stress. In that case though his written testimony (where he says he doesn't recall any such incident) should be taken as witness testimony.

That renders Ford's version unconfirmed. Her word against two other's.
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Why not let the FBI investigate? As best I can tell this is a he-said/she-said from 36 years ago. I doubt there's any evidence sufficient enough to lead to criminal charges.
What difference would it make?
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Lying to congress is not only OK, its encouraged.
You must be new to following US politics.
Just as well he wasn't under oath.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

If he doesn’t get through, so what? Another young conservative will be nominated to fill the slot.

If he gets through it will definitely help democratic candidates in the mid-terms.
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If he doesn’t get through, so what? Another young conservative will be nominated to fill the slot.

If he gets through it will definitely help democratic candidates in the mid-terms.
Yes, except that Americans might have to put up with him on the court for the next 25-30 years. If the Dems win the house, I believe, they can investigate him further.
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Old 28.09.2018, 17:51
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Fair enough, but it seems an odd turn of phrase. An accusation will be confirmed only after due process, not before any investigation has been carried out, surely?
Yes, you got a point. Whether an accusation was false or true will be decided by a court.
BUT - at least here - if it's proven that someone accused someone else falsly (meaning, knowingly) and therefore ruined someone's reputation it can also lead to (an other) court case. False accusation is prosecutable.
That may be different in the US?
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Well who knows. Maybe he was so drunk that he has no recollection of the events. He is certainly not going to write such an event in his calender anyhow. And after 36 years then details of this assault would be zero ( considering he was totally wacked at the time ). Or he's simply a good liar-its as if his life is at stake here. And he has a good teacher in his habitual liar best " friend" Trump
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