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About timing!

Maybe I have a nasty streak but if I had been assaulted and I later had a chance to get back at the perp. then I would time it for the maximum damage?
Yup understandable but the amount of time you wait to report it is not relevant to the question of whether you were assaulted or not. That was my point.

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That's a very serious allegation. It should be investigated in any case because:
1. Dr. Ford deserves the right to have her claims verified, just like any other potential victim
2. If Kavanaugh is not guilty, he deserves to serve his life-long term without the potential black spot on his image; otherwise this will be always attached to him, for life
3. If Kavanaugh is guilty, well it's obvious, he must be asked very politely to f$$k off

The only scenario in which an investigation is not welcome is in case his supporters have a doubt on his credibility and he himself is "oh, shit, I was so pissed did i really do that?!"
Totally agree, this is the only scenario I can think of where an FBI investigation would not be welcome, so unless someone has some credible explanation we are faced with the situation where the republicans know a sexual abuser sits before them but 'ah feck it, lets just vote on him anyway' They disgust me.
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Old 28.09.2018, 19:17
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That's a very serious allegation. It should be investigated in any case because:
1. Dr. Ford deserves the right to have her claims verified, just like any other potential victim
2. If Kavanaugh is not guilty, he deserves to serve his life-long term without the potential black spot on his image; otherwise this will be always attached to him, for life
3. If Kavanaugh is guilty, well it's obvious, he must be asked very politely to f$$k off

The only scenario in which an investigation is not welcome is in case his supporters have a doubt on his credibility and he himself is "oh, shit, I was so pissed did i really do that?!"
You mean that?
He should be sentenced, charged and locked up, more likely.
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Old 28.09.2018, 20:38
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Whatever happened, he is not going to be sentenced, charged or locked up over a he said/she said where a girl almost had her bra removed at a high school party 36 years ago.
When prosecutor Mitchell was questioning Kavanaugh, she stated that there is no statute of limitations for prosecuting sexual assault in the State of Maryland (where the alleged assault took place). She asked if he understood that, and he said yes.

There might be very little evidence, but that doesn't mean the process doesn't exist to charge, sentence, and lock him up.

Also your flippant tone says a lot about your attitude towards women. If a girl or woman "almost has her bra removed" and it wasn't her idea or her actually doing it, that's not okay -whether it's at a party or not.
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Whatever happened, he is not going to be sentenced, charged or locked up over a he said/she said where a girl almost had her bra removed at a high school party 36 years ago.
Ask Bill Cosby and Rolf Harris about that.
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Old 28.09.2018, 20:51
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

So the committee has voted along party lines and Kavenaugh's appointment is headed for the Senate floor for a full vote. But it looks like he's on decidedly Flakey ground.
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Old 28.09.2018, 20:55
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So the committee has voted along party lines and Kavenaugh's appointment is headed for the Senate floor for a full vote. But it looks like he's on decidedly Flakey ground.
Are you trying to make a joke?
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Old 28.09.2018, 20:58
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Essentially, yes. Though I'd think confirmation and refusal, respectively, happen mostly during due process. Not exclusively but mostly.

Ford says three were present but only two have to testify before the committee. I find this quite odd but perhaps Judge's claim to be an (soon ex-)alcoholic on recovery is reason enough to not put him under the stress. In that case though his written testimony (where he says he doesn't recall any such incident) should be taken as witness testimony.

That renders Ford's version unconfirmed. Her word against two other's.
What difference would it make?
"should be taken as witness testimony." actually of little value without the opportunity to cross examine?

cf. Ford was cross examined!
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Of course it's not ok - I'm saying it doesn't really matter what did or didn't happen, it's about what can be proved, and it increasingly looks like a he said / she said situation. Good luck charging him with that.
If only she has that bra for a DNA test

And "grinding" is becoming very popular since this event. Cant imagiine a judge doing this!!


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Old 28.09.2018, 21:13
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Of course it's not ok - I'm saying it doesn't really matter what did or didn't happen, it's about what can be proved, and it increasingly looks like a he said / she said situation. Good luck charging him with that.
You are just digging the hole deeper.

Neither you or I know what can be proved!
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Old 28.09.2018, 21:23
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

I wonder:
After Kavanaugh showed how he acts/reacts under pressure - isn't it clear he's not up for the job anyway?

It is to me
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Old 28.09.2018, 21:25
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I wonder:
After Kavanaugh showed how he acts/reacts under pressure - isn't it clear he's not up for the job anyway?

It is to me
Well Trump got elected President. Should answer your question.
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I wonder:
After Kavanaugh showed how he acts/reacts under pressure - isn't it clear he's not up for the job anyway?

It is to me
I'm not so sure that was under pressure, it looked to me like an act, I thought he'd been told 'go out, look angry, get emotional' I can't imagine who would have told him to do that.
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Old 28.09.2018, 21:50
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You are just digging the hole deeper.

Neither you or I know what can be proved!
What can be proved pretty much depends on one's lawer.
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Old 28.09.2018, 22:09
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What can be proved pretty much depends on one's lawer.
Don't you mean "liar"?
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Neither you or I know what can be proved!
Proved?

Proven is the correct word.

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Old 28.09.2018, 22:39
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Pedants.

Lawyer and proven. Are we good now?
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I can't get my head round the apparent pervasiveness of sexual deviance in American culture.

I mean, I went to all kinds of parties as a young man, with booze, drugs, destruction of property and eruptions of violence pretty much par for the course. There was also a fair bit of shagging going on - but gang rape? Sexual assault? It just wasn't our style. In fact, I'm pretty sure that any attempts on any of our female friends would have landed the perpetrator in casualty before the end of the night.

But of course, I'm just a pleb. What about the likes of the Bullingdon Boys? Well, despite plenty of people having good reason to dig up as much dirt on the Tories as possible, it seems the worst that they can come up with is a former prime minister allegedly penetrating a dead pig's head. Again, no gang banging, no sexual assault, just a rather distasteful prank in which nobody got hurt.

So what gives, America? Is it really populated by thousands of well-heeled perverts or what? Is this a class thing? A culture thing? A puritan thing?
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Old 28.09.2018, 23:15
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I'm not so sure that was under pressure, it looked to me like an act, I thought he'd been told 'go out, look angry, get emotional' I can't imagine who would have told him to do that.
Well, if he listened to somebody telling him to do so PLUS implemented that advice the way he did ....... that only proves my point, no?

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Proved?

Proven is the correct word.

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Ahh, thanks mate. That really bugged me actually. LOL.
No problem, marton, you just confused me for a moment

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I can't get my head round the apparent pervasiveness of sexual deviance in American culture.

I mean, I went to all kinds of parties as a young man, with booze, drugs, destruction of property and eruptions of violence pretty much par for the course. There was also a fair bit of shagging going on - but gang rape? Sexual assault? It just wasn't our style. In fact, I'm pretty sure that any attempts on any of our female friends would have landed the perpetrator in casualty before the end of the night.

But of course, I'm just a pleb. What about the likes of the Bullingdon Boys? Well, despite plenty of people having good reason to dig up as much dirt on the Tories as possible, it seems the worst that they can come up with is a former prime minister allegedly penetrating a dead pig's head. Again, no gang banging, no sexual assault, just a rather distasteful prank in which nobody got hurt.

So what gives, America? Is it really populated by thousands of well-heeled perverts or what? Is this a class thing? A culture thing? A puritan thing?
The latter, I think.
You know, it's a bit like with the catholic church-folks? If they let them live their lives while spreading the gospel they wouldn't have to deal with how many thousand cases now?
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Another busy day

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Statement from President @realDonaldTrump:
“I’ve ordered the FBI to conduct a supplemental investigation to update Judge Kavanaugh’s file. As the Senate has requested, this update must be limited in scope and completed in less than one week.”

— Sarah Sanders (@PressSec) September 28, 2018
Limiting to a week makes the whole idea a farce.

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A federal judge ruled Friday that over 200 Democratic representatives and senators can sue President Trump over claims he violated the emoluments clause of the Constitution regarding his businesses with foreign governments.
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Step in the right direction but what will it achieve?

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GoFundMe campaigns supporting Christine Blasey Ford top $700K
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Avenatti says he will 'thoroughly enjoy embarrassing' Senate GOP for advancing Kavanaugh's nomination
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Pass the popcorn
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I'm not so sure that was under pressure, it looked to me like an act, I thought he'd been told 'go out, look angry, get emotional' I can't imagine who would have told him to do that.
His facial contortions,tongue lollng around, lips tightly pursed together, perpetual sniffing etc etc was really hard to look at. He's a bit of a freak!
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