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Old 29.09.2018, 13:26
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Having lived through American high school and university, I can only say it seems to be ingrained in the culture.

I lost count of how many times a guy grabbed my butt or my breasts just to see how I'd react, both in high school and uni. Not just me, pretty much every gal I knew.

At uni, the frat boys would regularly put up fake signs for the restrooms to trick the girls into going into someone's bedroom or the men's room, where they'd get groped. But I never witnessed anything "worse" if you want to call it that. My friends and I learned pretty quickly that the key to avoiding problems at parties was to A) not get so drunk we couldn't think straight and B) always go in pairs, even to the bathroom. My uni wasn't that bad. Some of my friends were issued rape whistles at 1st year orientation.

Kids of all ages pull each others' pants down (pants-ing) or undies up (wedgies). Kids are mean.

"Depends. The FBI probably already has a file on Kavanaugh, and the scope of the investigation is limited. The only bombshell I can imagine is if Kavanaugh had more than one set of diaries/agendas that comes out with evidence he did assault women. So far his calendars are a bit weird but they are consistent with what he's said.

In terms of the hearing, it seems so. Everything is going along party lines so far, which was to be expected. Kudos to Flake for forcing the FBI investigation as a condition of his vote. He didn't have to. He's not running for re-election so there wouldn't really be any damage control for him.

Because the Constitution says so. The Presentment Clause, which is contained in Article I, Section 7, Clauses 2 and 3, reads (in part, emphasis mine):
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"Depends. The FBI probably already has a file on Kavanaugh, and the scope of the investigation is limited. The only bombshell I can imagine is if Kavanaugh had more than one set of diaries/agendas that comes out with evidence he did assault women. So far his calendars are a bit weird but they are consistent with what he's said."

The FBI are a bureaucracy like every other, it will take them at least a week just to fill out the forms, decide which FBI district is responsible, assign a budget and select agents.

I also did not like Trump's undefined statement "the scope of the investigation is limited". The FBI should be allowed to follow their investigation.

All of which avoids the point that there is supposed to be a separation between the Administration and Justice. The FBI is not Trump's private police force to send off on missions.
Its only role here would be to re-open the Kavanaugh background investigation which is something the White House can request rather than to investigate a crime.

Anyway the investigation of Kavenaugh allegations sounds more like work for the local police force?
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Old 29.09.2018, 13:49
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...The only role here [for the FBI] would be to re-open the Kavanaugh background investigation which is something the White House can request rather than to investigate a crime.

Anyway the investigation of Kavenaugh allegations sounds more like work for the local police force?
As I understand it, that's what has happened. As for a criminal investigation, I imagine the Maryland police are watching all of this closely to determine whether it's worthwhile to open a criminal case.

Here's an article from NPR that explains better than I can:
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Some newspapers are pointing at the July 1st entry in Kavenaugh's agenda which has the names of all the boys Ford named.
Kavenaugh claimed he did not know Ford and they were not in the same social circles so quite a coincidence that Ford could name a group of his friends after so many years?
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Not at all, I'm suggesting that the reaction to it is because the person being accused is a conservative who may be appointed to the supreme court for life.
I'm not talking about "the reaction", muppet boy. I'm talking about the undeniable degree of sexual perversion amongst American notables.

Or are you going to pretend that pussy grabbing, gang banging, tit grabbing and extramarital sex with porn actresses is somehow normal?
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I watched this hearing today and I'm sure glad I don't have to decide on this. One thing is very clear: Kavanaugh does not want a FBI investigation, he clearly avoided and went all the way to refusing to answer straight forward questions about it.
Considering he's a judge I'm surprised how he handled this subject. Specially as he is very capable of giving clear, short answers to other questions.

I don't understand this system. Where I come from the allegations are heavy. They call for charge, trial and court ruling. They can't possibly neither give nor deny Kavanaugh the job without that. Politicians can not decide that! If they do, the US falls back deeply into dark ages.

As someone in that hearing said: There is no "right" to get the position in question. So I'd say someone could not be considered/nominated, due to unclear rumors and suspected misbehaviour but at this stage politics should step back and wait for court to sort this out.
What's happening at the moment is - to me - a farce, complete nonsense.
I try to imagine such discussions at the "Bundeshaus", broadcasted by Swiss TV - I fail.
He is following Republican commands. Simple?!
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Not at all, I'm suggesting that the reaction to it is because the person being accused is a conservative who may be appointed to the supreme court for life.
Wow, really! You are a professor!
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FBI agents conducting a new background investigation into President Trump's Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh have contacted with Deborah Ramirez, the second woman to allege Kavanaugh sexually assaulted her.

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Have you ever spent any time in France?
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Has anyone yet been able to work out the point of that circus on Thursday? I’m still non the wiser.
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Old 29.09.2018, 21:29
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Has anyone yet been able to work out the point of that circus on Thursday? I’m still non the wiser.
I think that was the point.
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Has anyone yet been able to work out the point of that circus on Thursday? I’m still non the wiser.
Basically it was a fraudulent attempt to make the Senate look like it was seriously investigating the allegations against Kavenaugh before the Senate Committee retired to their conference room and voted strictly on party lines to further Kavenaugh's Supreme Court nomination.
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Old 29.09.2018, 21:42
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Basically it was a fraudulent attempt to make the Senate look like it was seriously investigating the allegations against Kavenaugh before the Senate Committee retired to their conference room and voted strictly on party lines to further Kavenaugh's Supreme Court nomination.
Anyone who votes for him before this is thoroughly clarified should be barred from any political office for life!

This is America today: Voting a possible criminal into supreme court! For life (at least the "for life bit" will be fulfilled).
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Anyone who votes for him before this is thoroughly clarified should be barred from any political office for life!

This is America today: Voting a possible criminal into supreme court! For life (at least the "for life bit" will be fulfilled).
And if Kavanaugh is a "possible" criminal than Dr Ford is a potential "liar" or at least someone who has a confused memory of past events. If you are gong to call Kavanaugh out, let's be fair and say that Dr Ford's "memory" is imprecise.

After all, those whom Dr Ford named denied the event taking place and her lifelong friend, Leland Keyser, denied ever even meeting Kavanaugh. So, once again, let's go along with imprecise memory and supposition and ASSUME Kavanaugh is guilty despite there being no evidence of any guilt. And you wonder why I correlate the Salem Witch trials here!

innocent until proven guilty is the cornerstone of America's legal code. Let's see what the FBI uncover the next week and try and remain impartial until their investigation has been concluded.

Let's not throw stones until we are certain that Kavanaugh is guilty as this has yet not been proven. Only conjecture, rumor etc... I would love to believe Dr Ford and i think she gave a compelling testimony, but something in her story is amiss in my view. There are too many holes and maybe, the FBI can fill them.

Until then, I need further evidence to hold Kavanaugh accountable of such an offense.

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Old 29.09.2018, 22:31
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And if Kavanaugh is a "possible" criminal than Dr Ford is a potential "liar" or at least someone who has a confused memory of past events. If you are gong to call Kavanaugh out, let's be fair and say that Dr Ford's "memory" is imprecise.

After all, those whom Dr Ford named denied the event taking place and her lifelong friend, Leland Keyser, denied ever even meeting Kavanaugh. So, once again, let's go along with imprecise memory and supposition and ASSUME Kavanaugh is guilty despite there being no evidence of any guilt. And you wonder why I correlate the Salem Witch trials here!

innocent until proven guilty is the cornerstone of America's legal code. Let's see what the FBI uncover the next week and try and remain impartial until their investigation has been concluded.

Let's not throw stones until we are certain that Kavanaugh is guilty as this has yet not been proved. Only conjecture, rumor etc... I would love to believe Dr Ford and i think she gave a compelling testimony, but something in her story is amiss in my view. There are too many holes and maybe, the FBI can fill them.

Until then, I need further evidence to hold Kavanaugh accountable of such an offense.
Pity you don't read before you reply.

I clearly wrote <<Anyone who votes for him before this is thoroughly clarified should be barred from any political office for life!>>
I don't have to "try" to remain impartial, I simply am impartial and therefore I truly believe no decision should be made until this is sorted. One way or the other.
And if Dr. Ford lied about this, she should - at least - carry all the costs she caused with all this as it should become clear to anybody, that these things can not be toyed with.


<<And you wonder why I correlate the Salem Witch trials here!>> Where did I wonder about this?
But actually, you're right, I just decided to wonder about this correlation. There is an accusation, there should be an investigation, a trial and a verdict. By a court and not on youtube either. (If I need to type that one more time, I shall copy/paste it).
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Pity you don't read before you reply.

I clearly wrote <<Anyone who votes for him before this is thoroughly clarified should be barred from any political office for life!>>
I don't have to "try" to remain impartial, I simply am impartial and therefore I truly believe no decision should be made until this is sorted. One way or the other.
And if Dr. Ford lied about this, she should - at least - carry all the costs she caused with all this as it should become clear to anybody, that these things can not be toyed with.


<<And you wonder why I correlate the Salem Witch trials here!>> Where did I wonder about this?
But actually, you're right, I just decided to wonder about this correlation. There is an accusation, there should be an investigation, a trial and a verdict. By a court and not on youtube either. (If I need to type that one more time, I shall copy/paste it).
Sorry Curley, I misread your post. I do not believe Dr Ford was lying about her past experience given what I witnessed vis a vis her testimony. But I do think unless more evidence comes forward, that Kavanaugh cannot be held to blame for the trauma Ford experienced. Hopefully the FBI will fill in the holes/gaps and investigate whether the other accusations have any merit. Until then, innocent until proven guilty.

Re: the Salem Witch trials...I referenced them a few times in earlier posts before Thursday's hearing but perhaps you did not read them...
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Sorry Curley, I misread your post. I do not believe Dr Ford was lying about her past experience given what I witnessed vis a vis her testimony. But I do think unless more evidence comes forward, that Kavanaugh cannot be held to blame for the trauma Ford experienced. Hopefully the FBI will fill in the holes/gaps and investigate whether the other accusations have any merit. Until then, innocent until proven guilty.

Re: the Salem Witch trials...I referenced them a few times in earlier posts before Thursday's hearing but perhaps you did not read them...
"innocent until proven guilty" As I posted before; This is not a court of law, the question is not "is Kavenaugh innocent?",
the question is "do the Senate believe he is a suitable person to be a Supreme Court Justice".

In criminal cases you have convince the court "beyond a reasonable doubt".

Unfortunately for Kavenaugh; in Senate reviews the hurdle is lower, you just have to demonstrate there are "reasonable indications" of his behaviour."
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"innocent until proven guilty" As I posted before; This is not a court of law, the question is not "is Kavenaugh innocent?",
the question is "do the Senate believe he is a suitable person to be a Supreme Court Justice".

In criminal cases you have convince the court "beyond a reasonable doubt".

Unfortunately for Kavenaugh; in Senate reviews the hurdle is lower, you just have to demonstrate there are "reasonable indications" of his behaviour."
Oh wow, that's bad.
And not right. Not right at all. I'd call that arbitrariness.
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Oh wow, that's bad.
And not right. Not right at all. I'd call that arbitrariness.
It is no different than any other sort of job interview process. You get interviewed by some people and they decide if you get the job or not.

It is rare for people to fail a Senate review, according to this 9 people failed to get Cabinet jobs.
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Trump. Declares his love for Kim. Melania shocked by his " outing"!



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