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Old 02.10.2018, 14:23
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I don't know about you guys, but if I turned up to a job interview, claiming how much I loved beer, then started crying, I wouldn't rate my chances very high.


i'd rate them at 0 the moment I reply to the interviewer with " have you?"
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Old 02.10.2018, 15:44
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The U.S. and Canada have reached a deal on an updated North America Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) after negotiators in Washington and Ottawa worked furiously into the night to meet a self-imposed midnight Sunday deadline.

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Details so far are few, full text expected today.

Even with the deal, the U.S. has not removed steel and aluminum tariffs that have hit Canada and Mexico?

Other sources claim the rejigged pact will substantially boost American access to Canada’s dairy market and protect Canada’s auto industry from possible US tariffs.

Some people claim not much else of significance has changed?
3.6% Wow
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For myself, his anger and partisan views displayed at his Senate interview would be sufficient to disqualify him.
Surely being partisan is a given. As for his anger, maybe it shows a human side that would be useful in a supreme court justice (assuming one agrees with his conservative views and believes him over Ford).

Love Matt Damon's spoof and the others were pretty good too.
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He really is the Bellend Overlord, isn't he?
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I will try to keep it simple for you.

There are two scenarios in play!

1. That Ford's story is true but she so far has a problem finding witnesses to corroborate.

or

2. Ford's story is a fake created by the Dems. So in this scenario if the Dems could find someone to fake the allegation then why didn't the Dems also find witnesses to fake corroboration?

Got it now?
Even if Ford's accusation was a "fake" created by the Democrats as you say, Ford can always say that her memory was imprecise because of the trauma arising from this "event" and in all likelihood, she will not be prosecuted. So Ford has nothing to lose either way in presenting her story and maintaining it was Kavanaugh who perpetrated the assault.

Unfortunately, the potential consequences for a "fake" witness to corroborate a story they know is not true is much more dire.

Ford claimed she had four witnesses and all of them testified under oath that they have no recollection of this party taking place (and Leland said she never even met Kavanaugh). Should one of these witnesses be lying (or fail to corroborate or make a "fake" corroboration as you put it) they would be guilty of a felony punishable by law.

This has NOTHING to do with the Dems being "clever" enough to come up with a fake witness but has everything to do with the fact that no individual would be THAT stupid to submit a false corroboration with such a stiff penalty.

Do you get it now???

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Ford claimed she had four witnesses and all of them testified under oath...
When did that happen?
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Ford claimed she had four witnesses and all of them testified under oath that they have no recollection of this party taking place (and Leland said she never even met Kavanaugh). Should one of these witnesses be lying (or fail to corroborate or make a "fake" corroboration as you put it) they would be guilty of a felony punishable by law.


source for that? Mark Judge ,for example, had not done that all the way up to the hearing
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There are two scenarios in play!

1. That Ford's story is true but she so far has a problem finding witnesses to corroborate.

or

2. Ford's story is a fake created by the Dems. So in this scenario if the Dems could find someone to fake the allegation then why didn't the Dems also find witnesses to fake corroboration?
Surely there's another possibility: that Ford's story is a fake by her own making, whether deliberately (e.g. to manipulate people close to her or to enhance her credibility if she wants to be seen professionally as an authority on sexual abuse) or not (e.g. because she was assaulted by someone else or because she has a false memory of assault created through dodgy therapy).

CNN: Christine Blasey Ford's prepared testimony

"In explaining why I wanted a second front door, I began to describe the assault in detail. I recall saying that the boy who assaulted me could someday be on the U.S. Supreme Court, and spoke a bit about his background at an elitist all-boys school in Bethesda, Maryland. My husband recalls that I named my attacker as Brett Kavanaugh."

I find it hard to believe that she would have said that, unless one believes in second sight.

Then there's this:

Records Raise Questions About Ford's Double-Door Story

"So was the second door an escape for Christine Blasey Ford’s terrors or was documenting her terrors a ruse for sneaking a rental unit through tough local zoning ordinances?"
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So the White House was trying to play with a heavily stacked deck

"four individuals it had been given permission to speak to"!
Talk about taking the p#ss!!

What a corrupt bunch they are! The FBI should be allowed to select their own interviewees without micro management.
Why? It's not a criminal case. The FBI acts under the commission's direct order, authority and supervision, effectively in the commission's stead.
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Initially Ford claimed that there 4 people at the party where the alleged assault took place who can corroborate that the party occurred. As we all know, there were only 3 in the room, according to Ford, when the alleged assault happened.

Judge has submitted two sworn statements (the second one is signed and written: by Mark Judge - under penalty of felony). I think Judge is fully aware of the consequences should he try and protect his old friend (to whom (according to Judge) he has not spoken in several years) and lie under oath. If Judge is lying, well then, he deserves what comes to him.
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source for that? Mark Judge ,for example, had not done that all the way up to the hearing
Sworn Statements are treated the same as testimony before the Committee...
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Sworn Statements are treated the same as testimony before the Committee...
So never under oath. Please try to be more accurate in future if you wish to be taken seriously.
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Sworn Statements are treated the same as testimony before the Committee...


he released a statement "under penalty of felony" which is not the same , and has even brought some banter amongst legal circles. Still not the same as being under oath.


2nd chance. source?
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We are talking semantics here! Maybe you should have googled "sworn statements" before you launched an offensive? Again, Judge's second letter is signed by him with the statement: "I am knowingly submitting this letter under penalty of felony".

https://definitions.uslegal.com/s/sworn-statement/
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We are talking semantics here! Maybe you should have googled "sworn statements" before you launched an offensive? Again, Judge's second letter is signed by him with the statement: "I am knowingly submitting this letter under penalty of felony".

https://definitions.uslegal.com/s/sworn-statement/
Or maybe you shouldn't have lied and said "under oath". Pohtayto, pohtahto.
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Old 02.10.2018, 17:42
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Why? It's not a criminal case. The FBI acts under the commission's direct order, authority and supervision, effectively in the commission's stead.
Correct, it is not a criminal case. It is a background check.
If they only interview a fraction of the witnesses then it is an inadequate background check!

Incorrect they are not under any order from the Commission, only the White House can order additional background checks. Congress cannot order the FBI to do anything!
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Even if Ford's accusation was a "fake" created by the Democrats as you say, Ford can always say that her memory was imprecise because of the trauma arising from this "event" and in all likelihood, she will not be prosecuted. So Ford has nothing to lose either way in presenting her story and maintaining it was Kavanaugh who perpetrated the assault.

Unfortunately, the potential consequences for a "fake" witness to corroborate a story they know is not true is much more dire.

Ford claimed she had four witnesses and all of them testified under oath that they have no recollection of this party taking place (and Leland said she never even met Kavanaugh). Should one of these witnesses be lying (or fail to corroborate or make a "fake" corroboration as you put it) they would be guilty of a felony punishable by law.

This has NOTHING to do with the Dems being "clever" enough to come up with a fake witness but has everything to do with the fact that no individual would be THAT stupid to submit a false corroboration with such a stiff penalty.

Do you get it now???
This is a job interview, not a criminal case so who is going to prosecute witnesses?
Lying to Congress is an offence but when did they ever prosecute anyone, not in this century.
How would you ever prove a witness was lying about events from 30 years ago.

Stiff penalties, you are joking.
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Holy shhhh - in other news,


WH alters the transcript of a press conference to make Spanky look less of a dick


https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/trum...ppen-1.6516689


He clearly said 'thinking', this is Orwellian revisionism, btw Spanky fans, this is what fake new looks like.
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We are talking semantics here! Maybe you should have googled "sworn statements" before you launched an offensive? Again, Judge's second letter is signed by him with the statement: "I am knowingly submitting this letter under penalty of felony".

https://definitions.uslegal.com/s/sworn-statement/
First of all: Legal matters are all and utmost about semantics!

Further more I would say that in a (pseudo-) religious country as the US, this difference between "under penalty of felony" and "sworn statement" makes all the difference.
You see, God is not involved in the penalty of felony and the only thing that seems to scare an American enough to keep them from lying is the fear to end up in hell.


Forgive my generalization you innocent US-EF-members. I did use the word "seem".
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Another Trump statement from the twilight zone

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"It is a very scary time for young men in America," Trump told reporters on the South Lawn before leaving the White House. "You can be accused before you prove your innocence."
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Looking forward to Spanky explaining how you can prove your innocence from an accusation before you know the content of the accusation
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