View Poll Results: Will Trump be a good President? |
Yes
|    | 93 | 26.50% |
No
|    | 258 | 73.50% |  | | | 
02.10.2018, 16:07
| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President? | Quote: | |  | | | Sworn Statements are treated the same as testimony before the Committee... | | | | | So never under oath. Please try to be more accurate in future if you wish to be taken seriously.
| This user would like to thank for this useful post: | | 
02.10.2018, 16:07
|  | Forum Legend | | Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Baden
Posts: 3,384
Groaned at 87 Times in 74 Posts
Thanked 5,885 Times in 2,243 Posts
| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President? | Quote: | |  | | | Sworn Statements are treated the same as testimony before the Committee... | | | | |
he released a statement "under penalty of felony" which is not the same , and has even brought some banter amongst legal circles. Still not the same as being under oath.
2nd chance. source?
| 
02.10.2018, 16:23
| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President? | Quote: |  | | | So never under oath. Please try to be more accurate in future if you wish to be taken seriously. | | | | | We are talking semantics here! Maybe you should have googled "sworn statements" before you launched an offensive? Again, Judge's second letter is signed by him with the statement: "I am knowingly submitting this letter under penalty of felony". https://definitions.uslegal.com/s/sworn-statement/ | This user groans at for this post: | | 
02.10.2018, 16:35
| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President? | Quote: | |  | | | We are talking semantics here! Maybe you should have googled "sworn statements" before you launched an offensive? Again, Judge's second letter is signed by him with the statement: "I am knowingly submitting this letter under penalty of felony". https://definitions.uslegal.com/s/sworn-statement/ | | | | | Or maybe you shouldn't have lied and said "under oath". Pohtayto, pohtahto.
| This user would like to thank for this useful post: | | This user groans at for this post: | | 
02.10.2018, 16:42
|  | Forum Legend | | Join Date: May 2008 Location: Kt. Zürich
Posts: 12,570
Groaned at 746 Times in 628 Posts
Thanked 24,683 Times in 12,925 Posts
| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President? | Quote: | |  | | | Why? It's not a criminal case. The FBI acts under the commission's direct order, authority and supervision, effectively in the commission's stead. | | | | | Correct, it is not a criminal case. It is a background check.
If they only interview a fraction of the witnesses then it is an inadequate background check!
Incorrect they are not under any order from the Commission, only the White House can order additional background checks. Congress cannot order the FBI to do anything!
| 
02.10.2018, 16:48
|  | Forum Legend | | Join Date: May 2008 Location: Kt. Zürich
Posts: 12,570
Groaned at 746 Times in 628 Posts
Thanked 24,683 Times in 12,925 Posts
| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President? | Quote: | |  | | | Even if Ford's accusation was a "fake" created by the Democrats as you say, Ford can always say that her memory was imprecise because of the trauma arising from this "event" and in all likelihood, she will not be prosecuted. So Ford has nothing to lose either way in presenting her story and maintaining it was Kavanaugh who perpetrated the assault.
Unfortunately, the potential consequences for a "fake" witness to corroborate a story they know is not true is much more dire.
Ford claimed she had four witnesses and all of them testified under oath that they have no recollection of this party taking place (and Leland said she never even met Kavanaugh). Should one of these witnesses be lying (or fail to corroborate or make a "fake" corroboration as you put it) they would be guilty of a felony punishable by law.
This has NOTHING to do with the Dems being "clever" enough to come up with a fake witness but has everything to do with the fact that no individual would be THAT stupid to submit a false corroboration with such a stiff penalty.
Do you get it now??? | | | | | This is a job interview, not a criminal case so who is going to prosecute witnesses?
Lying to Congress is an offence but when did they ever prosecute anyone, not in this century.
How would you ever prove a witness was lying about events from 30 years ago.
Stiff penalties, you are joking.
| This user would like to thank marton for this useful post: | | 
02.10.2018, 16:50
| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President?
Holy shhhh - in other news,
WH alters the transcript of a press conference to make Spanky look less of a dick https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/trum...ppen-1.6516689
He clearly said 'thinking', this is Orwellian revisionism, btw Spanky fans, this is what fake new looks like.
| The following 5 users would like to thank for this useful post: | | 
02.10.2018, 18:13
|  | Forum Legend | | Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: canton ZH
Posts: 13,127
Groaned at 218 Times in 182 Posts
Thanked 15,264 Times in 7,847 Posts
| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President? | Quote: | |  | | | We are talking semantics here! Maybe you should have googled "sworn statements" before you launched an offensive? Again, Judge's second letter is signed by him with the statement: "I am knowingly submitting this letter under penalty of felony". https://definitions.uslegal.com/s/sworn-statement/ | | | | | First of all: Legal matters are all and utmost about semantics!
Further more I would say that in a (pseudo-) religious country as the US, this difference between "under penalty of felony" and "sworn statement" makes all the difference.
You see, God is not involved in the penalty of felony and the only thing that seems to scare an American enough to keep them from lying is the fear to end up in hell.
Forgive my generalization you innocent US-EF-members. I did use the word "seem". | The following 2 users would like to thank curley for this useful post: | | 
02.10.2018, 19:52
|  | Forum Legend | | Join Date: May 2008 Location: Kt. Zürich
Posts: 12,570
Groaned at 746 Times in 628 Posts
Thanked 24,683 Times in 12,925 Posts
| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President?
Another Trump statement from the twilight zone | Quote: |  | | | "It is a very scary time for young men in America," Trump told reporters on the South Lawn before leaving the White House. "You can be accused before you prove your innocence." | | | | | Source
Looking forward to Spanky explaining how you can prove your innocence from an accusation before you know the content of the accusation | The following 3 users would like to thank marton for this useful post: | | 
02.10.2018, 20:19
|  | Forum Legend | | Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: canton ZH
Posts: 13,127
Groaned at 218 Times in 182 Posts
Thanked 15,264 Times in 7,847 Posts
| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President? | Quote: | |  | | | Another Trump statement from the twilight zone Source
Looking forward to Spanky explaining how you can prove your innocence from an accusation before you know the content of the accusation  | | | | | He won't. They'll change the log.
| This user would like to thank curley for this useful post: | | 
02.10.2018, 20:50
| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President? | Quote: | |  | | | This is a job interview, not a criminal case so who is going to prosecute witnesses?
Lying to Congress is an offence but when did they ever prosecute anyone, not in this century.
How would you ever prove a witness was lying about events from 30 years ago.
Stiff penalties, you are joking. | | | | | Marton..You need to read up on preceedings and the US court of law.. Giving false testimony via sworn statement OR UNDER OATH is at the very least perjury. And, Judge presents his submitted sworn statement as true or else and I quote "under penalty of felony".
In laymen's terms this means if he lied in his statement, then he can be prosecuted with a felony. Not always true for those who lie under "oath" and are guilty of perjury.
See WaPo article here ( luckily it is left leaning  ): https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...=.460dacf7591e
In particular, see this author's quote:
"But the prospect of the FBI interview raises several legal issues for Judge. If he were to say anything during the interview that contradicted his letter to Congress — if he now reported remembering events surrounding the alleged assault, for example — he could expose himself to charges of making false statements. Judge may or may not be concerned about discussing events from his youth. But he has to tell the truth to the FBI — under penalty of felony."
| 
02.10.2018, 20:53
| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President? | Quote: |  | | | Or maybe you shouldn't have lied and said "under oath". Pohtayto, pohtahto. | | | | | Sorry, phonetics and semantics are not the same thing! Maybe google will be a useful tool going forward?? | This user groans at for this post: | | 
02.10.2018, 21:16
|  | Forum Legend | | Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: canton ZH
Posts: 13,127
Groaned at 218 Times in 182 Posts
Thanked 15,264 Times in 7,847 Posts
| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President? | Quote: | |  | | | Sorry, phonetics and semantics are not the same thing! Maybe google will be a useful tool going forward?? | | | | | Oh wow, this is getting weirder and weirder. "/'ʌndə/ /ˈəʊθ/" (under oath) .... I didn't see that one in the thread, so how did phonetics come into this?
Would be an interesting way to carry on though. Maybe covfeve was actually phonetic script as well?
| This user would like to thank curley for this useful post: | | 
02.10.2018, 21:21
| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President? | Quote: | |  | | | Oh wow, this is getting weirder and weirder. "/'ʌndə/ /ˈəʊθ/" (under oath) .... I didn't see that one in the thread, so how did phonetics come into this?
Would be an interesting way to carry on though. Maybe covfeve was actually phonetic script as well? | | | | | To quote StirB: "Poytahto, pohtahto" ... That was the comment to which I was referring...
| This user would like to thank for this useful post: | | 
02.10.2018, 21:31
| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President?
Okay..my bad..pronunciation! But how is pronunciation an issue when I am claiming semantics?
| 
02.10.2018, 21:37
|  | Forum Legend | | Join Date: May 2008 Location: Kt. Zürich
Posts: 12,570
Groaned at 746 Times in 628 Posts
Thanked 24,683 Times in 12,925 Posts
| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President? | Quote: | |  | | | Marton..You need to read up on preceedings and the US court of law.. Giving false testimony via sworn statement OR UNDER OATH is at the very least perjury. And, Judge presents his submitted sworn statement as true or else and I quote "under penalty of felony".
In laymen's terms this means if he lied in his statement, then he can be prosecuted with a felony. Not always true for those who lie under "oath" and are guilty of perjury.
See WaPo article here ( luckily it is left leaning ): https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...=.460dacf7591e
In particular, see this author's quote:
"But the prospect of the FBI interview raises several legal issues for Judge. If he were to say anything during the interview that contradicted his letter to Congress — if he now reported remembering events surrounding the alleged assault, for example — he could expose himself to charges of making false statements. Judge may or may not be concerned about discussing events from his youth. But he has to tell the truth to the FBI — under penalty of felony." | | | | | Now you are (no doubt accidentally) confusing FBI interviews with Congress interviews.
Of course if anyone lies to the FBI under oath this is a far more serious matter than lying to Congress under oath.
To repeat, practically nobody has been indicted due to lying to Congress under oath.
Whereas, many people have been indicted due to lying to FBI under oath.
This is the major benefit of Senator Flake insisting on a FBI investigation.
Actually I do not need to read up on anything, I know the laws.
You posted "Judge presents his submitted sworn statement as true or else and I quote "under penalty of felony". as you know this is meaningless.
Whereas if he makes statements to the FBI under oath then he faces severe penalties for lying.
Could you please explain "as true or else ", this fragment makes no sense to me | 
02.10.2018, 21:50
|  | Forum Legend | | Join Date: May 2008 Location: Kt. Zürich
Posts: 12,570
Groaned at 746 Times in 628 Posts
Thanked 24,683 Times in 12,925 Posts
| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President?
The price of Presidency! | Quote: |  | | | President Trump's net worth has dropped by more than $1 billion since he first launched his presidential bid in 2015, Forbes reported on Tuesday.
According to the publication, Trump’s net worth has dropped from $4.5 billion in 2015 to hold steady at $3.1 billion for the past two years. As a result, the president has fallen 138 spots on the latest The Forbes top 400 list, which will be released Wednesday.
Trump was No. 35 on the list in 2016 and was No. 248 last year. | | | | | Source
So he is now almost off the top 400 list at No. 386! No doubt if he released his tax returns he would no longer be in the top 400 list.
An alternative view for Spanky's fall in net worth is "the licensing aspect of the Trump Organization, which the president has used to sell his name to be displayed on prominent buildings, has taken a massive hit due to Trump's politics.
Forbes magazine estimates the president’s licensing operation is now worth approximately $3 million, which is a sharp drop from the magazine’s $23 million estimate in 2015."
| 
02.10.2018, 21:52
| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President? | Quote: | |  | | | Now you are (no doubt accidentally) confusing FBI interviews with Congress interviews.
Of course if anyone lies to the FBI under oath this is a far more serious matter than lying to Congress under oath.
To repeat, practically nobody has been indicted due to lying to Congress under oath.
Whereas, many people have been indicted due to lying to FBI under oath.
This is the major benefit of Senator Flake insisting on a FBI investigation.
Actually I do not need to read up on anything, I know the laws.
You posted "Judge presents his submitted sworn statement as true or else and I quote "under penalty of felony". as you know this is meaningless.
Whereas if he makes statements to the FBI under oath then he faces severe penalties for lying.
Could you please explain "as true or else ", this fragment makes no sense to me  | | | | | And so, by your own account, Ford could lie at will and so could Kavanaugh as they won't be prosecuted if testifying under oath at a Senate hearing? Could you elaborate here as Ouchboy and StirB think differently... They believe testifying under oath is far more egregious than submitting sworn testimony under penalty of felony...
| 
02.10.2018, 22:01
|  | Forum Legend | | Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: canton ZH
Posts: 13,127
Groaned at 218 Times in 182 Posts
Thanked 15,264 Times in 7,847 Posts
| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President? | Quote: | |  | | | Now you are (no doubt accidentally) confusing FBI interviews with Congress interviews.
Of course if anyone lies to the FBI under oath this is a far more serious matter than lying to Congress under oath. | | | | | Fascinating. God makes a difference here?
He told that in the old Testament? Or the new Testament? Or did the Americans get their own gospel - a very much more differentiated one then the rest of the world obviously?
| 
02.10.2018, 22:04
| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President? | Quote: | |  | | | Fascinating. God makes a difference here?
He told that in the old Testament? Or the new Testament? Or did the Americans get their own gospel - a very much more differentiated one then the rest of the world obviously? | | | | | God makes no difference here Curley...
|
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 51 (0 members and 51 guests) | | Thread Tools | | Display Modes | Linear Mode |
Posting Rules
| You may not post new threads You may not post replies You may not post attachments You may not edit your posts HTML code is Off | | | All times are GMT +2. The time now is 01:59. | |