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Old 02.10.2018, 20:19
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Another Trump statement from the twilight zone



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Looking forward to Spanky explaining how you can prove your innocence from an accusation before you know the content of the accusation
He won't. They'll change the log.
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This is a job interview, not a criminal case so who is going to prosecute witnesses?
Lying to Congress is an offence but when did they ever prosecute anyone, not in this century.
How would you ever prove a witness was lying about events from 30 years ago.

Stiff penalties, you are joking.
Marton..You need to read up on preceedings and the US court of law.. Giving false testimony via sworn statement OR UNDER OATH is at the very least perjury. And, Judge presents his submitted sworn statement as true or else and I quote "under penalty of felony".

In laymen's terms this means if he lied in his statement, then he can be prosecuted with a felony. Not always true for those who lie under "oath" and are guilty of perjury.

See WaPo article here ( luckily it is left leaning ):

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...=.460dacf7591e

In particular, see this author's quote:

"But the prospect of the FBI interview raises several legal issues for Judge. If he were to say anything during the interview that contradicted his letter to Congress — if he now reported remembering events surrounding the alleged assault, for example — he could expose himself to charges of making false statements. Judge may or may not be concerned about discussing events from his youth. But he has to tell the truth to the FBI — under penalty of felony."
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Old 02.10.2018, 20:53
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Or maybe you shouldn't have lied and said "under oath". Pohtayto, pohtahto.
Sorry, phonetics and semantics are not the same thing! Maybe google will be a useful tool going forward??
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Old 02.10.2018, 21:16
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Sorry, phonetics and semantics are not the same thing! Maybe google will be a useful tool going forward??
Oh wow, this is getting weirder and weirder. "/'ʌndə/ /ˈəʊθ/" (under oath) .... I didn't see that one in the thread, so how did phonetics come into this?
Would be an interesting way to carry on though. Maybe covfeve was actually phonetic script as well?
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Oh wow, this is getting weirder and weirder. "/'ʌndə/ /ˈəʊθ/" (under oath) .... I didn't see that one in the thread, so how did phonetics come into this?
Would be an interesting way to carry on though. Maybe covfeve was actually phonetic script as well?
To quote StirB: "Poytahto, pohtahto" ... That was the comment to which I was referring...
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Okay..my bad..pronunciation! But how is pronunciation an issue when I am claiming semantics?
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Old 02.10.2018, 21:37
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Marton..You need to read up on preceedings and the US court of law.. Giving false testimony via sworn statement OR UNDER OATH is at the very least perjury. And, Judge presents his submitted sworn statement as true or else and I quote "under penalty of felony".

In laymen's terms this means if he lied in his statement, then he can be prosecuted with a felony. Not always true for those who lie under "oath" and are guilty of perjury.

See WaPo article here ( luckily it is left leaning ):

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...=.460dacf7591e

In particular, see this author's quote:

"But the prospect of the FBI interview raises several legal issues for Judge. If he were to say anything during the interview that contradicted his letter to Congress — if he now reported remembering events surrounding the alleged assault, for example — he could expose himself to charges of making false statements. Judge may or may not be concerned about discussing events from his youth. But he has to tell the truth to the FBI — under penalty of felony."
Now you are (no doubt accidentally) confusing FBI interviews with Congress interviews.

Of course if anyone lies to the FBI under oath this is a far more serious matter than lying to Congress under oath.

To repeat, practically nobody has been indicted due to lying to Congress under oath.

Whereas, many people have been indicted due to lying to FBI under oath.

This is the major benefit of Senator Flake insisting on a FBI investigation.

Actually I do not need to read up on anything, I know the laws.

You posted "Judge presents his submitted sworn statement as true or else and I quote "under penalty of felony". as you know this is meaningless.
Whereas if he makes statements to the FBI under oath then he faces severe penalties for lying.

Could you please explain "as true or else ", this fragment makes no sense to me
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The price of Presidency!
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President Trump's net worth has dropped by more than $1 billion since he first launched his presidential bid in 2015, Forbes reported on Tuesday.

According to the publication, Trump’s net worth has dropped from $4.5 billion in 2015 to hold steady at $3.1 billion for the past two years. As a result, the president has fallen 138 spots on the latest The Forbes top 400 list, which will be released Wednesday.

Trump was No. 35 on the list in 2016 and was No. 248 last year.
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So he is now almost off the top 400 list at No. 386! No doubt if he released his tax returns he would no longer be in the top 400 list.

An alternative view for Spanky's fall in net worth is "the licensing aspect of the Trump Organization, which the president has used to sell his name to be displayed on prominent buildings, has taken a massive hit due to Trump's politics.

Forbes magazine estimates the president’s licensing operation is now worth approximately $3 million, which is a sharp drop from the magazine’s $23 million estimate in 2015."
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Now you are (no doubt accidentally) confusing FBI interviews with Congress interviews.

Of course if anyone lies to the FBI under oath this is a far more serious matter than lying to Congress under oath.

To repeat, practically nobody has been indicted due to lying to Congress under oath.

Whereas, many people have been indicted due to lying to FBI under oath.

This is the major benefit of Senator Flake insisting on a FBI investigation.

Actually I do not need to read up on anything, I know the laws.

You posted "Judge presents his submitted sworn statement as true or else and I quote "under penalty of felony". as you know this is meaningless.
Whereas if he makes statements to the FBI under oath then he faces severe penalties for lying.

Could you please explain "as true or else ", this fragment makes no sense to me
And so, by your own account, Ford could lie at will and so could Kavanaugh as they won't be prosecuted if testifying under oath at a Senate hearing? Could you elaborate here as Ouchboy and StirB think differently... They believe testifying under oath is far more egregious than submitting sworn testimony under penalty of felony...
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Old 02.10.2018, 22:01
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Now you are (no doubt accidentally) confusing FBI interviews with Congress interviews.

Of course if anyone lies to the FBI under oath this is a far more serious matter than lying to Congress under oath.
Fascinating. God makes a difference here?
He told that in the old Testament? Or the new Testament? Or did the Americans get their own gospel - a very much more differentiated one then the rest of the world obviously?
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Fascinating. God makes a difference here?
He told that in the old Testament? Or the new Testament? Or did the Americans get their own gospel - a very much more differentiated one then the rest of the world obviously?
God makes no difference here Curley...
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Old 02.10.2018, 22:08
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And so, by your own account, Ford could lie at will and so could Kavanaugh as they won't be prosecuted if testifying under oath at a Senate hearing? Could you elaborate here as Ouchboy and StirB think differently... They believe testifying under oath is far more egregious than submitting sworn testimony under penalty of felony...
Please provide a list of people indicted for lying under oath at a Senate hearing?

Anyway would not be the first time for such allegations against Kavenaugh

Did Brett Kavanaugh Straight Up Lie to Congress the First Time He Was Appointed?

Did Brett
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Five Times Brett Kavanaugh Appears to Have Lied to Congress While Under Oath

So far as I understand the posts from Ouchboy and StirB they were simply stating your claims were untrue?
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Now you are (no doubt accidentally) confusing FBI interviews with Congress interviews.

Of course if anyone lies to the FBI under oath this is a far more serious matter than lying to Congress under oath.

To repeat, practically nobody has been indicted due to lying to Congress under oath.

Whereas, many people have been indicted due to lying to FBI under oath.

This is the major benefit of Senator Flake insisting on a FBI investigation.

Actually I do not need to read up on anything, I know the laws.

You posted "Judge presents his submitted sworn statement as true or else and I quote "under penalty of felony". as you know this is meaningless.
Whereas if he makes statements to the FBI under oath then he faces severe penalties for lying.

Could you please explain "as true or else ", this fragment makes no sense to me

Marton, please read the WaPo article I sent. This "scholar" is in essence saying that because Mark Judge signed a sworn statement which if false would render him guilty of a felony. This scholar recommends that this should be the rule going forward.

The question remains, why would Judge expose himself to a possible felony conviction, if what he did not state was true? Why would he do that for high school buddy he has not spoken to in "several years"? Is he THAT stupid? To face incarceration for a old high school pal??
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Please provide a list of people indicted for lying under oath at a Senate hearing?

Anyway would not be the first time for such allegations against Kavenaugh

Did Brett Kavanaugh Straight Up Lie to Congress the First Time He Was Appointed?

Did Brett
Kavanaugh lie to Congress about 'torture memos'?


Five Times Brett Kavanaugh Appears to Have Lied to Congress While Under Oath

So far as I understand the posts from Ouchboy and StirB they were simply stating your claims were untrue?
That a sworn statement under penalty of felony was less egregious than a sworn oath which is only guilty of perjury?
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Old 02.10.2018, 22:20
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Fascinating. God makes a difference here?
He told that in the old Testament? Or the new Testament? Or did the Americans get their own gospel - a very much more differentiated one then the rest of the world obviously?
Not really, the FBI are a police force so they can simply indict people.

Exactly how Congress can indict people for lying is not at all clear, it is likely a long and complex process; the last time (and possibly only time) was in 1983!
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Marton, please read the WaPo article I sent. This "scholar" is in essence saying that because Mark Judge signed a sworn statement which if false would render him guilty of a felony. This scholar recommends that this should be the rule going forward.

The question remains, why would Judge expose himself to a possible felony conviction, if what he did not state was true? Why would he do that for high school buddy he has not spoken to in "several years"? Is he THAT stupid? To face incarceration for a old high school pal??
Why?
Better than admitting he was part of the sexual assault?
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...Mark Judge signed a sworn statement which if false would render him guilty of a felony...
Point of contention. Signing a sworn statement that is false does not automatically make you guilty and send you to jail. First there has to be a charge (by a district attorney or attorney general) of making a false statement and/or committing perjury. Followed by a conviction or a plea agreement for a lesser charge. If the statement is false and he's not charged with a crime, nor convicted of one, technically he is not guilty under the law. Public opinion on the other hand...
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Okay..my bad..pronunciation! But how is pronunciation an issue when I am claiming semantics?
How can one argue about semantics without knowing what the phrase "Potayto, Potahto" means? Hint, it is "Potato, Potato" written phonetically.
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And so, by your own account, Ford could lie at will and so could Kavanaugh as they won't be prosecuted if testifying under oath at a Senate hearing? Could you elaborate here as Ouchboy and StirB think differently... They believe testifying under oath is far more egregious than submitting sworn testimony under penalty of felony...
We made no comment on this point, we were just correcting your mistake / lie*

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How can one argue about semantics without knowing what the phrase "Potayto, Potahto" means? Hint, it is "Potato, Potato" written phonetically.
So why not google semantics??
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