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02.10.2018, 22:08
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| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President? | Quote: | |  | | | And so, by your own account, Ford could lie at will and so could Kavanaugh as they won't be prosecuted if testifying under oath at a Senate hearing? Could you elaborate here as Ouchboy and StirB think differently... They believe testifying under oath is far more egregious than submitting sworn testimony under penalty of felony... | | | | | Please provide a list of people indicted for lying under oath at a Senate hearing?
Anyway would not be the first time for such allegations against Kavenaugh Did Brett Kavanaugh Straight Up Lie to Congress the First Time He Was Appointed? Did Brett
Kavanaugh lie to Congress about 'torture memos'? Five Times Brett Kavanaugh Appears to Have Lied to Congress While Under Oath
So far as I understand the posts from Ouchboy and StirB they were simply stating your claims were untrue?
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02.10.2018, 22:15
| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President? | Quote: | |  | | | Now you are (no doubt accidentally) confusing FBI interviews with Congress interviews.
Of course if anyone lies to the FBI under oath this is a far more serious matter than lying to Congress under oath.
To repeat, practically nobody has been indicted due to lying to Congress under oath.
Whereas, many people have been indicted due to lying to FBI under oath.
This is the major benefit of Senator Flake insisting on a FBI investigation.
Actually I do not need to read up on anything, I know the laws.
You posted "Judge presents his submitted sworn statement as true or else and I quote "under penalty of felony". as you know this is meaningless.
Whereas if he makes statements to the FBI under oath then he faces severe penalties for lying.
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Marton, please read the WaPo article I sent. This "scholar" is in essence saying that because Mark Judge signed a sworn statement which if false would render him guilty of a felony. This scholar recommends that this should be the rule going forward.
The question remains, why would Judge expose himself to a possible felony conviction, if what he did not state was true? Why would he do that for high school buddy he has not spoken to in "several years"? Is he THAT stupid? To face incarceration for a old high school pal??
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02.10.2018, 22:18
| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President? | Quote: | |  | | | | | | | | That a sworn statement under penalty of felony was less egregious than a sworn oath which is only guilty of perjury?
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02.10.2018, 22:20
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| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President? | Quote: | |  | | | Fascinating. God makes a difference here?
He told that in the old Testament? Or the new Testament? Or did the Americans get their own gospel - a very much more differentiated one then the rest of the world obviously? | | | | | Not really, the FBI are a police force so they can simply indict people.
Exactly how Congress can indict people for lying is not at all clear, it is likely a long and complex process; the last time (and possibly only time) was in 1983!
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02.10.2018, 22:22
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| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President? | Quote: | |  | | | Marton, please read the WaPo article I sent. This "scholar" is in essence saying that because Mark Judge signed a sworn statement which if false would render him guilty of a felony. This scholar recommends that this should be the rule going forward.
The question remains, why would Judge expose himself to a possible felony conviction, if what he did not state was true? Why would he do that for high school buddy he has not spoken to in "several years"? Is he THAT stupid? To face incarceration for a old high school pal?? | | | | | Why?
Better than admitting he was part of the sexual assault?
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02.10.2018, 22:23
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| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President? | Quote: | |  | | | ...Mark Judge signed a sworn statement which if false would render him guilty of a felony... | | | | | Point of contention. Signing a sworn statement that is false does not automatically make you guilty and send you to jail. First there has to be a charge (by a district attorney or attorney general) of making a false statement and/or committing perjury. Followed by a conviction or a plea agreement for a lesser charge. If the statement is false and he's not charged with a crime, nor convicted of one, technically he is not guilty under the law. Public opinion on the other hand... | This user would like to thank 3Wishes for this useful post: | | 
02.10.2018, 22:44
| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President? | Quote: | |  | | | Okay..my bad..pronunciation! But how is pronunciation an issue when I am claiming semantics? | | | | | How can one argue about semantics without knowing what the phrase "Potayto, Potahto" means? Hint, it is "Potato, Potato" written phonetically.
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02.10.2018, 22:45
| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President? | Quote: | |  | | | And so, by your own account, Ford could lie at will and so could Kavanaugh as they won't be prosecuted if testifying under oath at a Senate hearing? Could you elaborate here as Ouchboy and StirB think differently... They believe testifying under oath is far more egregious than submitting sworn testimony under penalty of felony... | | | | | We made no comment on this point, we were just correcting your mistake / lie*
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02.10.2018, 22:46
| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President? | Quote: |  | | | How can one argue about semantics without knowing what the phrase "Potayto, Potahto" means? Hint, it is "Potato, Potato" written phonetically. | | | | | So why not google semantics??
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02.10.2018, 22:48
| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President? | Quote: | |  | | | That a sworn statement under penalty of felony was less egregious than a sworn oath which is only guilty of perjury? | | | | | Under federal law, perjury is a felony, so your statement doesn't make any sense.
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02.10.2018, 22:49
| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President? | Quote: | |  | | | So why not google semantics?? | | | | | Please stop trying to distract by going off topic, stick to the matter in hand. When did the 4 witnesses give testimony under oath?
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02.10.2018, 22:49
| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President? | Quote: |  | | | Under federal law, perjury is a felony, so your statement doesn't make any sense. | | | | | There is a lot not making sense here. I think we are wasting our time and energy with this one.
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02.10.2018, 22:51
| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President? | Quote: |  | | | We made no comment on this point, we were just correcting your mistake / lie*
*delete as appropriate. | | | | | Except I don't lie but keep trying! And yes, Ouch boy did remove a blob as my claim was "inaccurate"...
But you guys had your facts confused according to Marton...
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02.10.2018, 22:53
| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President? | Quote: |  | | | Please stop trying to distract by going off topic, stick to the matter in hand. When did the 4 witnesses give testimony under oath? | | | | | All gave sworn statements which if false, will be subject to felony charges!
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02.10.2018, 22:54
| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President? | Quote: | |  | | | All gave sworn statements which if false, will be subject to felony charges! | | | | | Here's another phrase which might be helpful.
When you're in a hole, stop digging.
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02.10.2018, 23:01
| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President? | Quote: |  | | | There is a lot not making sense here. I think we are wasting our time and energy with this one. | | | | | Because (Gasp!) you could be wrong???
So, let's ignore facts as this cannot help your argument? Why would Mark Judge lie under penalty of felony for a guy he has not spoken to in several years?
PS.. Unfortunately, Dr Ford's good friend, Leland, did not opt for the same route. Someone correctly advised her, despite her friendship with Dr Ford, what was at stake. And she chose wisely...
The more I think about it, the more I think Reb77br is correct. Ford had nothing to lose by making this accusation. It is a win/win for her regardless of outcome.
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02.10.2018, 23:22
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| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President? | Quote: | |  | | | All gave sworn statements which if false, will be subject to felony charges! | | | | | Neither you nor your ivory tower academic who wrote the WaPo article seem able to recognise that whilst in your theoretical world sworn statements to Congress if false, will be subject to felony charges, in the real world there have been no indictments for almost 40 years.
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02.10.2018, 23:32
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| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President? | Quote: | |  | | | Neither you nor your ivory tower academic who wrote the WaPo article seem able to recognise that whilst in your theoretical world sworn statements to Congress if false, will be subject to felony charges, in the real world there have been no indictments for almost 40 years. | | | | | That may be true.
But sometimes, there are consequences in the real world.
Wether it's true or not - but the moment James R Clapper, then Director of National Intelligence "forgot" to mention the billions of bits of data and meta-data the intelligence agencies collected on Americans in front of a Senat Select Committee hearing was later cited by Edward Snowden as a sort-of breaking-point for himself where he decided to go down the whistle-blowing route. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_...eillance,_2013
So, if somebody tells a lie, often there's a person that knows it's a lie. And it can backfire.
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02.10.2018, 23:45
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| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President? | Quote: | |  | | | That may be true.
But sometimes, there are consequences in the real world.
Wether it's true or not - but the moment James R Clapper, then Director of National Intelligence "forgot" to mention the billions of bits of data and meta-data the intelligence agencies collected on Americans in front of a Senat Select Committee hearing was later cited by Edward Snowden as a sort-of breaking-point for himself where he decided to go down the whistle-blowing route. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_...eillance,_2013
So, if somebody tells a lie, often there's a person that knows it's a lie. And it can backfire. | | | | | So now we can expect a new flood of US traitors | 
03.10.2018, 00:00
| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President? | Quote: | |  | | | Because (Gasp!) you could be wrong???
So, let's ignore facts as this cannot help your argument? Why would Mark Judge lie under penalty of felony for a guy he has not spoken to in several years?
PS.. Unfortunately, Dr Ford's good friend, Leland, did not opt for the same route. Someone correctly advised her, despite her friendship with Dr Ford, what was at stake. And she chose wisely...
The more I think about it, the more I think Reb77br is correct. Ford had nothing to lose by making this accusation. It is a win/win for her regardless of outcome. | | | | | I'm still waiting for you to admit that you were untruthful/wrong saying those 4 people were under oath. Until you do that, there's no need for us to respond to one another again.
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